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Misc TAAR1 Agonist

Pigfist

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I have read that TAAR1 Agonists are excellent for alleviating wd symptoms. What are some common names for these? Are they fairly common or a pain in the ass to find? I’m asking because I am done living addicted to fent. This is no life. I am desperate but also terrified of wd. I’ve experienced severe wd symptoms as well as precip wd. Both cripple me. I don’t know what to do and I am willing to try anything that will help beat this addiction. Methadone failed. I think it is a therapy that was designed to fight heroin addiction but lacks the ability to fight high tolerances of fent. I went to the max dose of 120mg a day but all I did was claim another addiction. I jumped off the methadone clinic at 120mg a day and never even felt wd from methadone.
 
A TAAR1 agonist isn't the priority for your goals.

If you want to explore something different this fairly inexpensive combo can feasibly do the job for reducing withdrawals and proactively repairing what needs to be repaired.

You could feasibly taper your fent dose using that combo. It's entirely otc. I'd recommend adding the "optional" items for extra support.
 
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Many drugs are TAAR1 agonists.

TAAR1 agonists cause serotonin release. Serotonin release is gonna make you feel good.

Tramadol is a weak TAAR1 agonist & it use to do wonders for my depression. But so did heroin. But it's a much weaker TAAR1 agonists compared to something like methamphetamine.

So TAAR1 agonists would theoretically offer some relief from WD's, especially amphetamines as they release dopamine too. But then once you stop the TAAR1 agonists / amps, you'll just be crashing from stimulants AND going through opioid withdrawal.

OP, I'm confused. You said you quit fentanyl & got on methadone, but then didn't even feel wd's from the methadone? I'm assuming you're back on fentanyl then?
If you didn't even have withdrawals from the methadone, then why did you pick up opioids again? I mean it sounds like you want to be done with them altogether, but you must have gone back to using fentanyl. If you had no WDs stopping methadone, I'd have just never touched another opioid & moved on with my life. So the real question is something you need to look inside yourself for. Are you ready to quit opioids? Or are you looking to keep using opioids but just want off the fentanyl train? Both are valid reasons, but the paths to achieve either of those outcomes can look very different from one another.

The best thing honestly for a person in your situation would be to maintain on a potent opioid. But thanks to the ignorant world we live in & the drug war, there aren't much options other than Suboxone & Methadone. I don't know of any prescribed opioids that reach the same potency as fentanyl. Not any common ones anyway. Except for buprenorphine. Suboxone (buprenorphine) is technically 40x more potent than morphine, but it's only a partial agonist, so there isn't as much pain relief or euphoria. And it lasts an incredibly long time. But it still has that really high potency where it attaches & sticks to your opioid receptors like glue. It's also a partial antagonist as well, so in high enough doses, it can blunt some of the effects of fent or other full agonists you might use, making them feel less "enjoyable". Maybe you'd have better success with something that potent (although it's only a partial agonist) compared to continuing your fent use? Some people prefer Subs over Methadone & vice versa. It all comes down to your own unique physical make-up & chemistry.

Are you using street fent? Cause if that contains tranq or whatever garbage they're putting it now a days, you could have withdrawals from that. For that, you'd need blood pressure medication. Most likely alpha blockers. But you'd need to be careful & taper with those, because you can get severe rebound high blood pressure when stopping.

The reality is, no matter what you switch to, you're still going to have to suffer for a few days until your body adjusts. And don't let drug war conditioning make you think that being addicted to a safer opioid is a still a "bad thing". Better to be addicted/dependent on a legal opioid versus risking your life with fent/street opioids forever.

I always tell people the best way to beat an addiction is to get addicted to something else that makes you feel good, but causes less problems in your life, whether it be your mental well-being or physical well-being or both. I'm sure as hell physically & mentally better-off taking buprenorphine/opioids than I would be if I was still a daily raging alcoholic.
 
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Imo this is a myth perpetuated by pharmaceutical companies who are vested in the SSRI market. It's perpetuated by their influence and interference in the academic research sector.
I think the real myth is that depression is caused by low serotonin. Not that serotonin can't make somebody feel good.
That's why people with normal serotonin levels get on AD's and then think they've been cured or "feel better", but it's only temporary.

By saying "depression is caused by low serotonin", that's how the pharmaceutical industry was able to push SSRI's onto everyone. Except there's never been a single study or shown proof of low serotonin being the root cause of depression. And in fact, studies have shown that long term SSRI use could actually lead to lower levels of serotonin. Absolutely zero imaging studies showing a depressed person with low serotonin, who is then "healed" or "cured" by having extra serotonin.

Obviously serotonin release (specifically in the brain) is going to feel good though, otherwise people wouldn't use serotonin releasing agents as recreational drugs.
Too much serotonin & too much serotonin reuptake inhibition will make a person feel sick & in rare instances lead to serotonin syndrome. A lot of it can depend on where the serotonin gets released & what receptors that serotonin hits. For example, methamphetamine might release serotonin, but it doesn't feel like LSD, which is a serotonin agonist. So it's more complex than simply "more serotonin = feel better".

Tramadol was actually one of my favorite opioids because of it's serotonin/stimulant-like properties. I'd prefer 300mg of tramadol over 10mg of hydrocodone any day. I can actually feel the serotonin-aspects of tramadol, which make it more stimulating & almost like a light MDMA feeling mixed with a mild to moderate opioid. MDMA would be another example of serotonin making a person feel good.

So I disagree that it's a myth that serotonin can't make a person feel good. But I do agree the pharmaceutical industry lied about the nature of depression & pushed serotonin reuptake inhibitors as an end-all-be-all cure for depression (and other ailments, hell they gave my sister lexapro for pain once, which is insane). Most commonly abused drugs give you euphoria by increasing brain levels of serotonin & dopamine.
 
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I have read that TAAR1 Agonists are excellent for alleviating wd symptoms. What are some common names for these? Are they fairly common or a pain in the ass to find? I’m asking because I am done living addicted to fent. This is no life. I am desperate but also terrified of wd. I’ve experienced severe wd symptoms as well as precip wd. Both cripple me. I don’t know what to do and I am willing to try anything that will help beat this addiction. Methadone failed. I think it is a therapy that was designed to fight heroin addiction but lacks the ability to fight high tolerances of fent. I went to the max dose of 120mg a day but all I did was claim another addiction. I jumped off the methadone clinic at 120mg a day and never even felt wd from methadone.
Cyclazodone was a good TAAR1 agonist that purely acted as a releasing agent and not as a monoamine reuptake inhibitor, also lacked activity as a norepinephrine releasing agent, acting solely as a SDRA (serotonin-dopamine releasing agent) via TAAR1 agonism. I don't think these or any stimulants would be very effective for treating opioid addiction however and could lead to another addiction...
 
Many drugs are TAAR1 agonists.

TAAR1 agonists cause serotonin release. Serotonin release is gonna make you feel good.

Tramadol is a weak TAAR1 agonist & it use to do wonders for my depression. But so did heroin. But it's a much weaker TAAR1 agonists compared to something like methamphetamine.

So TAAR1 agonists would theoretically offer some relief from WD's, especially amphetamines as they release dopamine too. But then once you stop the TAAR1 agonists / amps, you'll just be crashing from stimulants AND going through opioid withdrawal.

OP, I'm confused. You said you quit fentanyl & got on methadone, but then didn't even feel wd's from the methadone? I'm assuming you're back on fentanyl then?
If you didn't even have withdrawals from the methadone, then why did you pick up opioids again? I mean it sounds like you want to be done with them altogether, but you must have gone back to using fentanyl. If you had no WDs stopping methadone, I'd have just never touched another opioid & moved on with my life. So the real question is something you need to look inside yourself for. Are you ready to quit opioids? Or are you looking to keep using opioids but just want off the fentanyl train? Both are valid reasons, but the paths to achieve either of those outcomes can look very different from one another.

The best thing honestly for a person in your situation would be to maintain on a potent opioid. But thanks to the ignorant world we live in & the drug war, there aren't much options other than Suboxone & Methadone. I don't know of any prescribed opioids that reach the same potency as fentanyl. Not any common ones anyway. Except for buprenorphine. Suboxone (buprenorphine) is technically 40x more potent than morphine, but it's only a partial agonist, so there isn't as much pain relief or euphoria. And it lasts an incredibly long time. But it still has that really high potency where it attaches & sticks to your opioid receptors like glue. It's also a partial antagonist as well, so in high enough doses, it can blunt some of the effects of fent or other full agonists you might use, making them feel less "enjoyable". Maybe you'd have better success with something that potent (although it's only a partial agonist) compared to continuing your fent use? Some people prefer Subs over Methadone & vice versa. It all comes down to your own unique physical make-up & chemistry.

Are you using street fent? Cause if that contains tranq or whatever garbage they're putting it now a days, you could have withdrawals from that. For that, you'd need blood pressure medication. Most likely alpha blockers. But you'd need to be careful & taper with those, because you can get severe rebound high blood pressure when stopping.

The reality is, no matter what you switch to, you're still going to have to suffer for a few days until your body adjusts. And don't let drug war conditioning make you think that being addicted to a safer opioid is a still a "bad thing". Better to be addicted/dependent on a legal opioid versus risking your life with fent/street opioids forever.

I always tell people the best way to beat an addiction is to get addicted to something else that makes you feel good, but causes less problems in your life, whether it be your mental well-being or physical well-being or both. I'm sure as hell physically & mentally better-off taking buprenorphine/opioids than I would be if I was still a daily raging alcoholic.
Wow, Tramadol, good memories, sweetest ride with the longest legs ever. Great for pain and depression.
 
Wow, Tramadol, good memories, sweetest ride with the longest legs ever. Great for pain and depression.
Completely agree!
People shit on tramadol all the time, but I had 10 years of lovely memories with that drug. I still feel nostalgic for it all the time.
Lasted almost all day, gave me insane euphoria, energy, motivation, completely eliminated my depression symptoms for the most part.

Of course, if you have a tolerance to more potent agonists, like heroin for instance, tramadol loses a lot of it's magic.

But with no tolerance, I'd take 300-400mg of tramadol over 20mg of hydrocodone any day. The tramadol would not only last longer, but it's more euphoric & more energizing too. I miss it dearly. Like a warm summer sun shining on your face & all is alright with the world. I don't even get that kind of contented feeling from hydrocodone. Almost none of my hydrocodone experiences (and I've had many now) were worth remembering or feeling nostalgic over.
 
I have read that TAAR1 Agonists are excellent for alleviating wd symptoms. What are some common names for these? Are they fairly common or a pain in the ass to find? I’m asking because I am done living addicted to fent. This is no life. I am desperate but also terrified of wd. I’ve experienced severe wd symptoms as well as precip wd. Both cripple me. I don’t know what to do and I am willing to try anything that will help beat this addiction. Methadone failed. I think it is a therapy that was designed to fight heroin addiction but lacks the ability to fight high tolerances of fent. I went to the max dose of 120mg a day but all I did was claim another addiction. I jumped off the methadone clinic at 120mg a day and never even felt wd from methadone.
120mg/day of methadone often isn’t enough for a severe fentanyl habit. I know of some states that allow one to take in excess of 400mg/day and then taper you down slowly. I used to have a gram/day IV heroin habit and I’ve done plenty of street fent as well as the pharmaceutical Duragesic 100ug/hr patches (~2.4mg fent in the entire patch). These days most of the stuff floating around on the streets is either fent, nitazines, or a combination of either of those with added Xylazine (nasty stuff). I’ve always managed to get off using suboxone in the past. The thing is fentanyl is more lipid soluble than heroin, so in order to induce buprenorphine you must wait at least 36-48 hours before taking your first dosage. Buprenorphine is actually ~80x more potent than morphine, and it has good affinity for the mu opioid receptors, so it can and will work against fentanyl if you use it right. Depending on your tolerance you need to start off at around 24-36mg of bupe, but then once you feel stable after a day or two you want to taper down rapidly to 10mg or less. I got off a gram of H and fent habit taking 24mg the first day, followed by 22mg, 20mg, 18mg, 16mg, 14mg, 12mg, 10mg, 8mg, 6mg, 4mg, and then down to 2mg in less than two weeks. Once you are at the 2-3mg of bupe mark then this is the usual dose where your receptors are still saturated with the drug. At this point you must slowly taper down from the 2mg mark over the span of a week or two. You need to learn how to fold your suboxone strips and cut them accurately in order to be able to dose them correctly. If you taper off right as I demonstrated you will wake up on the last day with practically zero withdrawals, and it will be a lovely experience. The main problem with suboxone is that these idiotic doctors often try to keep addicts on super high doses for years on end which is ridiculous and stupid! I’ve heard of some people taking over 16mg of buprenorphine for over a decade! WTF?!? Godspeed and feel free to ask me any further questions.

P.S. I’ve also tapered down in less than two weeks using 10mg methadone pills (multiple per day ofc) over the span of around two weeks to a month.
 
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To the best of my knowledge only SEP-363856 (Ulotaront™) is in clinical trials; for the treatment of schizophenia and parkinson's disease psychosis. As usual, the source most people use is well out of date.

IF it works, I bet they will go for the latter market as it would be a medication in a field of 1. Thusfar anitpsychotics have been used which just hastened the deaths of those with Parkinson's.
 
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