Do terpenes and 'profiles' really mean fucking anything?

[Ismene2]

Nice one mate - I'm on the case! Just hope I can find somewhere in the UK that does them.

 

[Allylbenzene]

Nice one mate - I'm on the case! Just hope I can find somewhere in the UK that does them.

I'm from UK, there's plenty of options. That's why I said to get your bud from the Caribbeans, they have a sense of honour and terpenes have always been involved with their product.

 

[Jibult]

All terpenoids have very real biological activity which includes psychoactive effects.


Cannabis terpenoids are responsible for at least 40% of the plants overall theraputic benefits. Generally speaking a plants terpenoids are a major contributor to it's overall medicinal value.

Psychoactive effects don't equate to a high. It's very possible for a psychoactive substance to push a person into a depression.

They might be medicinal and therapeutic but there's no euphoria, there's no dopamine surge with terpenes. They might help ease your ailments but they don't offer a distinct high.

What they do is work in tandem with the cannabinoids that DO offer a high to help shape and mold the experience. Also they make flower smell amazing.

It's a little like a catalyst in a chemical reaction, which always kind of fucked my head up to try to understand.

 

[Allylbenzene]

Psychoactive effects don't equate to a high.
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They might help ease your ailments but they don't offer a distinct high.

I'll clarify for you... all terpenes have some degree of psychoactivity which contribute to at least 40%+ of the overall cannabis high (and medicinal effects). Standalone they are perfectly capable of producing a high. I've designed mixes dedicated to this which contain zero THC.

What they do is work in tandem with the cannabinoids that DO offer a high to help shape and mold the experience.

I used to think the same before learning about terpene pharmacology (which includes all sorts of receptors ie dopamine, serotonin, opioid, GABA, cannabinoid) and actually experiencing their effects first hand. Trying pure cannabinoids (zero terps) is also interesting because it gives you an idea of what terpenes contribute.

 

[Jibult]

I'll clarify for you... all terpenes have some degree of psychoactivity which contribute to at least 40%+ of the overall cannabis high (and medicinal effects). Standalone they are perfectly capable of producing a high. I've designed mixes dedicated to this which contain zero THC.


I used to think the same before learning about terpene pharmacology (which includes all sorts of receptors ie dopamine, serotonin, opioid, GABA, cannabinoid) and actually experiencing their effects first hand. Trying pure cannabinoids (zero terps) is also interesting because it gives you an idea of what terpenes contribute.

I kind of feel like that 40% is an arbitrary number that you just pulled out of thin air.

It also feels like you have a personal stake in this, given that you've "designed mixes" which I'm sure you sell for a profit. That's an inherent bias, but we'll still treat this with good faith.

Of course they have a contribution. That's how terpenes act as a catalyst to a cannabis high. And really, I don't have any empirical data to verify my claims. I'm speaking on experience.

If you have anything that could help you out with a mic drop then i'll gladly shut the fuck up, but making up numbers because they feel right isn't going to further your goal here.

To be fair, though, I want to ask: At what dosage is any single terpene going to manifest psychoactive effects? I'll let you pick the terp' in question.

Second question: At the dosage you describe, would it be realistic to find that amount in an organically grown gram of cannabis flower? If so, in which strain?

 

[Mjäll]

Both of those are psychoactive. If you've never used lemon balm oil or rosemary oil for their psychoactive purposes then you'd rightly consider them inactive. The majority of terpene-containing herbs & spices are psychoactive in some way. You're on bluelight.org btw...


If you've never had the opportunity to try isolated cannabinoids then your assumptions and conclusions are correct and well-reasoned. Excuse me while I double check that I'm still on the bluelight.org drug forums.

I don't see why you mention being on bluelight two times. I also don't see why you think my reasoning is correct if i lack experience. Lack of experience doesn't make something correct. You seem confused.

I have tried CBD, CBC, CBG and CBN in isolation as well as combined with THC. None of them showed any psychoactivity. THC is about 10000x more psychoactive than any of the other stuff in weed.

Since you claim that normal culinary herbs are psychoactive: how much lemon balm or rosemary would be needed for threshold activity and what method of administration is the most efficient? Why is pretty much nobody, including drug users and law enforcement, considering these things psychoactive if they are?

 

[Mjäll]

I'll clarify for you... all terpenes have some degree of psychoactivity

This is a ridiculously confident blanket statement. Why would this be the case?

"Terpenes (/ˈtɜːrpiːnz/ TUR-peenz) are a large and diverse class of natural products with the general formula (C5H8)n, where n ≥ 2."

You think all of those are psychoactive?

 

[Ismene2]

Hang on mjall - you dont get ANY psychoactive effect from CBD? Its not psychedelic but 100-200mg can put me on my back. Certainly wouldnt drive a car on that dose.

I doubt most law enforcement and drug users even know what terpenes are. We are talking about the 1% of cannabis users who are interested enough to explore them. Basically theres me and allybenzene in the UK and a bloke in Germany who knows about it.

 

[Mjäll]

Hang on mjall - you dont get ANY psychoactive effect from CBD? Its not psychedelic but 100-200mg can put me on my back. Certainly wouldnt drive a car on that dose.

I doubt most law enforcement and drug users even know what terpenes are. We are talking about the 1% of cannabis users who are interested enough to explore them. Basically theres me and allybenzene in the UK and a bloke in Germany who knows about it.

There are 1 billion placeboholics who "know about terps" dude

And no, no psychoactivity at all from CBD. There have been controlled studies finding no difference in THC high from adding CBD.

I remain open to the idea, but nobody should listen to someone who says "all terpenes are psychoactive", it just shows a glaring lack of basic chemistry knowledge.

 

[Mjäll]

I kind of feel like that 40% is an arbitrary number that you just pulled out of thin air.

It also feels like you have a personal stake in this, given that you've "designed mixes" which I'm sure you sell for a profit. That's an inherent bias, but we'll still treat this with good faith.

Of course they have a contribution. That's how terpenes act as a catalyst to a cannabis high. And really, I don't have any empirical data to verify my claims. I'm speaking on experience.

If you have anything that could help you out with a mic drop then i'll gladly shut the fuck up, but making up numbers because they feel right isn't going to further your goal here.

To be fair, though, I want to ask: At what dosage is any single terpene going to manifest psychoactive effects? I'll let you pick the terp' in question.

Second question: At the dosage you describe, would it be realistic to find that amount in an organically grown gram of cannabis flower? If so, in which strain?

Describing ubiquitous herbal aroma compounds as a "catalyst" for THC is being way too diplomatic toward this delusional guy with his "40%" made up dogma.

Taking THC alone is virtually identical to weed. It needs no catalyst or "entourage" to do its thing. There may be health benefits to many of these other compounds, but they're not psychoactive drugs.

I maintain that all this hype about terpenes and minor cannabinoids is just a way to frame cannabis as something bigger and more complex than a mere intoxicant, which is a backwards way of trying to promote wide acceptance. There is more than enough of big and complex in the high itself. And we have a stupid anti-drug culture, which is what should be attacked.

To expound further on this idea, the hype is an expression of materialism, a venue for marketing various "refined" versions of a basic commodity that has been available for thousands of years. Insofar as cannabis is to be considered a "teacher", it teaches the absolute opposite of such a mentality.

 

[Ismene2]

There are 1 billion placeboholics who "know about terps" dude

And no, no psychoactivity at all from CBD. There have been controlled studies finding no difference in THC high from adding CBD.

I remain open to the idea, but nobody should listen to someone who says "all terpenes are psychoactive", it just shows a glaring lack of basic chemistry knowledge.

Maybe in America where they've legalised it and they see "terpenes" in the shops. Not in the UK. I'd been using cannabis for 25 years and had never heard anything about em. None of the books on cannabis ever mention them.

All I can suggest is getting some and giving it a try. I never thought terpenes were anything either until I tried em. I just thought "Oh, that's just the smell". Terpenes have this incredible power to kill anxiety stone dead. I take terpenes to kill anxiety - they work on their own better than ANY drug I've ever found. A bit of THC thrown into the mix and you're both high and anxiety free - there's a definate synergy between em.

I do find myrcene and beta-carr better than d-limonene for anxiety.

 

[Allylbenzene]

Hang on mjall - you dont get ANY psychoactive effect from CBD? Its not psychedelic but 100-200mg can put me on my back. Certainly wouldnt drive a car on that dose.

That is indeed a bizarre claim alongside all the others:

Taking THC alone is virtually identical to weed.
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I maintain that all this hype about terpenes and minor cannabinoids is just a way to frame cannabis as something bigger and more complex than a mere intoxicant...

I also don't see why you think my reasoning is correct if i lack experience. Lack of experience doesn't make something correct.
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I have tried CBD, CBC, CBG and CBN in isolation as well as combined with THC. None of them showed any psychoactivity.

 

[Allylbenzene]

I'll clarify for you... all terpenes have some degree of psychoactivity which contribute to at least 40%+ of the overall cannabis high (and medicinal effects). Standalone they are perfectly capable of producing a high. I've designed mixes dedicated to this which contain zero THC.
...
I used to think the same before learning about terpene pharmacology (which includes all sorts of receptors ie dopamine, serotonin, opioid, GABA, cannabinoid) and actually experiencing their effects first hand. Trying pure cannabinoids (zero terps) is also interesting because it gives you an idea of what terpenes contribute.

I kind of feel like that 40% is an arbitrary number that you just pulled out of thin air.
...
Of course they have a contribution. That's how terpenes act as a catalyst to a cannabis high. And really, I don't have any empirical data to verify my claims. I'm speaking on experience.

If you have anything that could help you out with a mic drop then i'll gladly shut the fuck up, but making up numbers because they feel right isn't going to further your goal here.

To be fair, though, I want to ask: At what dosage is any single terpene going to manifest psychoactive effects? I'll let you pick the terp' in question.

Second question: At the dosage you describe, would it be realistic to find that amount in an organically grown gram of cannabis flower? If so, in which strain?

You're free to choose to believe what you wish. Funnily enough your second question pretty much answers the first.

 

[Ismene2]

I see no end of vapes being sold now marked "with added terpenes".

 

[Allylbenzene]

I see no end of vapes being sold now marked "with added terpenes".

That's because it's cheaper to buy CBD and make THC from it, then add terpenes. The future4200.com forums have people doing every sort of cannabinoid synthesis/conversion you could imagine.

 

[Jibult]

You're free to choose to believe what you wish. Funnily enough your second question pretty much answers the first.

I know, I planned it that way.

You made the right choice in not answering. It would've toppled your house of cards.

 

[Ismene2]

That's because it's cheaper to buy CBD and make THC from it, then add terpenes. The future4200.com forums have people doing every sort of cannabinoid synthesis/conversion you could imagine.

Is that true in the UK? Is that how they make THC over here? Have you seen those 10ml syringes full of orange D9? aka gods sacred treacle of the lord

Today my terpenes are: two types of sour diesel, some stardawg, a pinch of pineapple express and a capsule of D9. Ready for Freddie.

 

[Jibult]

Is that true in the UK? Is that how they make THC over here? Have you seen those 10ml syringes full of orange D9? aka gods sacred treacle of the lord

Today my terpenes are: two types of sour diesel, some stardawg, a pinch of pineapple express and a capsule of D9. Ready for Freddie.

Those aren't terpenes. You're listing strains and a compound.

I was going to post a link but I think it'll go unread. I'll just copy and paste instead, and leave it to you to put effort into ignorance:

Terpenes are aromatic compounds within a plant, while a cannabis strain is a specific variety of the plant that has a unique overall chemical profile, including its particular mix of terpenes and cannabinoids. The terpene profile is one of the primary factors that defines a strain's unique characteristics and effects.

Terpenes: The Aromatic Compounds

• Definition: Terpenes are naturally occurring organic compounds found in the trichomes (resin glands) of the cannabis plant, as well as many other plants, fruits, and herbs like pine trees, lemons, and lavender.
• Function: They are primarily responsible for the distinctive aromas and flavors of different strains (e.g., citrus, earthy, pine, spicy) and act as a natural defense against pests and a way to attract pollinators in nature.
• Effect: While not psychoactive on their own, terpenes contribute significantly to the overall experience and potential therapeutic effects of cannabis through a synergistic interaction with cannabinoids like THC and CBD, a phenomenon known as the "entourage effect".

Strains: The Plant Varieties

• Definition: A strain (also called a cultivar or variety) refers to a specific genetic variant of the cannabis plant.
• Composition: Each strain possesses a unique chemical fingerprint, encompassing a particular combination and concentration of cannabinoids (THC, CBD, etc.) and a specific terpene profile.
• Effect: The overall experience (energizing, relaxing, focus-enhancing, etc.) that a user reports is largely due to the specific interaction of all the compounds within that particular strain, not just the THC percentage alone.

In summary, a strain is the complete package—the specific type of cannabis plant—while its terpenes are the individual aromatic components that help define its unique smell, taste, and influence its overall effect.

I understand you're being facetious but this this thread could lead to so many misunderstandings in the future from people who comb the forum for information on terpenes.

 

[Ismene2]

Those aren't terpenes. You're listing strains and a compound.

No, you're not getting it Jibuilt. I've got four 30ml bottles in front of me with the TERPENES from those 4 strains. So a "sour diesel" bottle of terpenes contains myrcene, pinene etc. A bottle of stardawg terpenes contains a different blend of terpenes - might have more pinene and beta-carr.

Go look online for "bottles of food grade terpenes". See what I mean?

 

[Jeebis2]

I havent read any other comments here, only the thread title, but abso-fucking-lutely yes they do.

We've all had those carts where no matter which one you used it was the same almost hollow high but with a different flavor. Thats because the majority of vapes, legal or black market, are made from thc distillate. Theres nothing wrong with disty, but there's nothing right with it either lol.

If thc is considered to be the engine that drives your high, then the minor cannabinoids and terps are the transmission/brakes/navigation system/steering/etc that give your high nuance and character.

Indica/sativa/hybrid mean almost nothing these days outside of being cultivation characteristics. Youre high os determined more so by cannabinoid content and terps....but genetics make a deffinate impact because theres TONS that we dont know about cannabis yet because research is still on going