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Surgery in the morning. Question regarding my kratom consumption.

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TheOpposite

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So tomorrow at 1:30 I go under anesthesia for three different procedures. All female involved.
I unfortunately have a pretty heavy 7hydroxymitragynine addiction… it’s the main ingredient in kratom to my understanding. I’m admittedly pretty naive to it all. I still can’t believe it was suggested to me as a “natural pain remedy”. I definitely know better now- and I will absolutely go into withdrawal without it.
When I sleep 8ish hours I’m pretty sweaty and pukey. So I assume that’s just about how long I should go without it before symptoms show?

Does anyone have any ideas on this and my upcoming surgery? I don’t want to be put under and have some reaction that leaves me feeling pain, or something much worse.
 
Hey @TheOpposite

This is very serious. Anesthesia is a much riskier procedure than I feel most people understand.

70H is a minor constituent of Kratom by mass, but also much more pitent than its parent compound, Mitragynine.

There is nothing natural about it. 70H sold in stores has to be synthetically produced. There is not enough of it in the plant to be commercially viable. They essentially have hijacked the relative trust people have put in Kratom to sell their product. Unscrupulous.

If you are using that much, the only option I can think of is to tell the surgeon you're dependent on Opioids.

If you didnt tell them, perhaps you wake up or have sensation during your surgery as the anesthesiologist essentially uses a table/chart to determine dose.

Its possible they would just say "hey, thats weird" and assume you're genetically different than most. Its not worth risking. It is not at all worth risking.

70H is a full-bore, high potency Opioid.
 
TheOpposite said:
and I will absolutely go into withdrawal without it.
When I sleep 8ish hours I’m pretty sweaty and pukey. So I assume that’s just about how long I should go without it before symptoms show?
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May as well be honest with you here, you WILL BE SICK.
If you are UK based the NHS don't give a flying toss about you, if you have no script they will give you at the very most 30-40mg of Methadone for 2-3 days.

THE WORST THING to do despite what @Keif' Richards says above is to let onto ANY Medical service you have an issue with opiates, this will be on your record for the rest of your life & you can whistle dixie if you want an RX (USA) or Blue Script (UK) for Pain medicine after your operation.
 
Keif' Richards said:
If you didnt tell them, perhaps you wake up or have sensation during your surgery as the anesthesiologist essentially uses a table/chart to determine dose.

Its possible they would just say "hey, thats weird" and assume you're genetically different than most. Its not worth risking. It is not at all worth risking.
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Come on now, that isn't going to happen when the OP has a huge dose of Midazolam banged into them via I.V.
 
Keif' Richards said:
I definitely see the other side of that argument @Zopiclone bandit

Opioid scripts are so rare these days it's like nobody really cares anymore.
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You may well see the other side but that is all it is my Brother.
I have lived experience as I posted in my thread about the brutal espranor experience.

I know BL has a H.R. agenda but give the poster of this thread the respect & truth they deserve, one thing I hate in this world is someone who tells lies or tries to mislead people.
The Truth is usually harsh, like the Chinese say "Sometimes you have to eat the bitter"
 
Keif' Richards said:
Hey man, lol. Ive got a chronic fear of waking up during surgery so forgive my caution 😉
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I've still got PTSD from it, I was run over & was actually Dead at one point, the doctors told my mother it was 50/50 if I would ever walk, talk, eat with my hands etc again. I was in a coma for 3 days.

I remember at some point hearing voices, it was clearly in the operation room, I felt the worst pain ever in my stomach, throat & dick then heard someone shout "Oh shit his coming up" then it went black again.

I've been there 100%, I have lived it & have the scars in my mind still.
 
TheOpposite said:
So tomorrow at 1:30 I go under anesthesia for three different procedures. All female involved.
I unfortunately have a pretty heavy 7hydroxymitragynine addiction… it’s the main ingredient in kratom to my understanding. I’m admittedly pretty naive to it all. I still can’t believe it was suggested to me as a “natural pain remedy”. I definitely know better now- and I will absolutely go into withdrawal without it.
When I sleep 8ish hours I’m pretty sweaty and pukey. So I assume that’s just about how long I should go without it before symptoms show?

Does anyone have any ideas on this and my upcoming surgery? I don’t want to be put under and have some reaction that leaves me feeling pain, or something much worse.
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Anyway back to this...........

my advice is this & take it or leave it, I don't care but I know what I am on about here.
When youcome round from the operation RAISE HELL with the nurses in terms of "pain" & DON'T GIVE A FUCKING INCH with them.
You are a drug addict, an opiate addict like me, you WILL BE SICK, very sick, you know the sneezing, shitting, vomit etc.......Get as much opiate based pain meds in you as possible.
 
TheOpposite said:
So tomorrow at 1:30 I go under anesthesia for three different procedures. All female involved.
I unfortunately have a pretty heavy 7hydroxymitragynine addiction… it’s the main ingredient in kratom to my understanding. I’m admittedly pretty naive to it all. I still can’t believe it was suggested to me as a “natural pain remedy”. I definitely know better now- and I will absolutely go into withdrawal without it.
When I sleep 8ish hours I’m pretty sweaty and pukey. So I assume that’s just about how long I should go without it before symptoms show?

Does anyone have any ideas on this and my upcoming surgery? I don’t want to be put under and have some reaction that leaves me feeling pain, or something much worse.
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I would also be concerned that the painkillers they give you wouldn't work adequately because of the tolerance to opioids that you have developed by taking the 7oh. Unless you tell them otherwise, they will assume that you are opioid naive with no tolerance. I had surgery once where I could hear the guy in the bed next to me discussing his daily methadone dosage with the staff, in order to know how much anesthesia to give him during surgery. I guess they will watch you and up the dose ( or narcan you) if you are showing signs of distress but it may still not be adequate.
But yes, I would be concerned about the drug interaction if you still have 7 oh in your system. For safety reasons, it would probably be best to tell them. But I get wanting to keep it secret.
Anyhow, it sounds like this reply of mine won't reach you before your surgery, but good luck. And please let us know how it all went. Your issue is not uncommon and your experience could be very helpful to learn from for someone in the future
 
Hi guys. I am back four days after surgery.
Everything went well- I was put out just fine and didn’t experience any unwanted pain.
I took my normal dose of 7oh at 10am day of surgery.
Then took another dose when I got home around 6:30pm.
They gave me one script of oxy 5mg, and the day after surgery I called saying it wasn’t touching the pain and so they upped it to 10mg. I was given 10 of the 10mg’s.
I am not experiencing a lot of pain from the surgery- which I’m super pleased about.
I have also cut back on my 7oh quite a bit.
I am needing to get more today though actually or tomorrow will be a bitch and a half.

I really appreciate all of the replies- it did help me a lot to garner some other opinions on the matter.

*I did not voice my 7oh addiction to the surgeon for those wondering about that detail.
 
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Surgeon does not have to know. The worst that can happen is that you won't get enough painkillers to cover for your pain AND your tolerance.

BUT!!!!

ANESTHESIOLOGIST HAS TO KNOW!

Otherwise he might as well toss a coin for a lot of decisions he does when managing your anestesia.

Glad you are ok, but for anyone else in similar situation in the future - just wanted you to know this.
 
Keif' Richards said:
I definitely see the other side of that argument @Zopiclone bandit

Opioid scripts are so rare these days it's like nobody really cares anymore.
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They're trying to push most major drug classes out of existence and switch us over to "alternative medicines" barbs, opioids, and benzos with many other have almost become entirely extinct in most of the US aside from the RC scene and other illicit markets but as far as prescriptions go I can't tell you the last time I even knew someone with a reliable script for anything more than a handful of weak ass vikes and even those are slowly being taken away, people who are in hospice dying are even having a hard time getting ANY opioids and it's bullshit. They know full well what they're doing, they damn well caused it to begin with. Ffs I jusy read am article from fox.. Ya I know but anyways it was talking about how tramadol pretty much has no real medical value and has zero efficacy for pain relief of any sort which is just not true, sure it's weak but to say it has no medical value is bullshit, they just don't want any opioids out there anymore aside from the illicit toxic fent lol
 
Yea I hear ya @Kurt Cobain you are so right. We have been talking about the dangers of chronic Benzodiazepine consumption for so long, then behind our backs, drugs that are literally poisonous came through and made us regret no longer having the devil-you-know to deal with, but something much, much worse.

We are not a place for sourcing drugs, okay. However, this issue with Opioids and the fact that the only options our there for people are Fentanyl, Nitazenes or this 7OH stuff, it is worth noting that stuff like Tapentadol can be bought over the internet fairly easily. I´m not going to tell anyone how to do this or where to do it, but if you dig around, you can put 2 and 2 together. I can´t help but feel, as someone pushing HR, that it makes sense for people to use real painkillers than to be buying this 7OH stuff or worse, to be using Fentanyl.

Both of the aforementioned substances are highly addictive and seem to lead people directly into severe tolerance and addiction. They don´t seem to be great choices for pain management, so I would advise not pursuing them.
 
If you can find 7oh cheap aka under 60 a gram for high purity powder you can get away with it for awhile depending what you do for work. It gets away from you really really fucking fast though OP like faster than any other drug simply due to how fast tolerance and dependancy sets in with 7oh, we're talking two days of moderate use before you're getting withdrawals. I second what keif said, if you absolutely need pain meds look online for more traditional ones, grow your own poppies or settle for regular plain kratom powder if nothing else either way if you're using opioid long term you're asking for problems but again if you need something there's better options
 
Kurt Cobain said:
If you can find 7oh cheap aka under 60 a gram for high purity powder you can get away with it for awhile depending what you do for work. It gets away from you really really fucking fast though OP like faster than any other drug simply due to how fast tolerance and dependancy sets in with 7oh, we're talking two days of moderate use before you're getting withdrawals. I second what keif said, if you absolutely need pain meds look online for more traditional ones, grow your own poppies or settle for regular plain kratom powder if nothing else either way if you're using opioid long term you're asking for problems but again if you need something there's better options
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It’s about $37 for a bottle of 10 7oh pills here. They’re single serving pills which you crush and consume that way.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
You may well see the other side but that is all it is my Brother.
I have lived experience as I posted in my thread about the brutal espranor experience.

I know BL has a H.R. agenda but give the poster of this thread the respect & truth they deserve, one thing I hate in this world is someone who tells lies or tries to mislead people.
The Truth is usually harsh, like the Chinese say "Sometimes you have to eat the bitter"
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With respect to that Chinese expression, I think it really means something more aligned with having to go through a difficult time and "eat bitter." I don't think it necessarily has to do with swallowing an unwelcome truth... it equates more with having to suffer a difficult situation or time. Source: 19 years living in China.
 
Keif' Richards said:
Yea I hear ya @Kurt Cobain you are so right. We have been talking about the dangers of chronic Benzodiazepine consumption for so long, then behind our backs, drugs that are literally poisonous came through and made us regret no longer having the devil-you-know to deal with, but something much, much worse.

We are not a place for sourcing drugs, okay. However, this issue with Opioids and the fact that the only options our there for people are Fentanyl, Nitazenes or this 7OH stuff, it is worth noting that stuff like Tapentadol can be bought over the internet fairly easily. I´m not going to tell anyone how to do this or where to do it, but if you dig around, you can put 2 and 2 together. I can´t help but feel, as someone pushing HR, that it makes sense for people to use real painkillers than to be buying this 7OH stuff or worse, to be using Fentanyl.

Both of the aforementioned substances are highly addictive and seem to lead people directly into severe tolerance and addiction. They don´t seem to be great choices for pain management, so I would advise not pursuing them.
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The withdrawals really caught me off guard. I honestly wasn’t prepared for how quickly my body became dependent on it.
 
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