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Health I do not believe LSD or psychedelics causes irreparable harm to people diagnosed with schizophrenia or history of psychosis

With me, it wasn't LSD that directly led to schizophrenia type symptoms. I was using a great deal of MDA when symptoms manifested themselves to me. I was alone, at home while family was on vacation, I had a job and stayed home to work. However, just because I was binging on MDA at the time I had a history of other psychedelic use that likely contributed to psychological breakdown, including unresolved trauma. I figure my brain shut down from serotonin overload thereby causing psychosis. No one knows what really happened or why it happened to me...it just happened and now I'm trying to discredit the false information handed to us by the government that psychedelics are harmful, particularly to people with severe mental illness having psychosis.
I don't believe it, one of the factors associated with LSD causing madness is the result of Charles Manson and the brutal senseless murders committed by his followers who were said to be on acid under Manson's guidance. This added fuel to Nixon's choice to use Timothy Leary as scapegoat for his eagerness and support of LSD. This along with countless anti-drug propaganda being preached over the media with legal constraint changed the course of history based of false truths and outright lies to preserve national security and governmental jurisdiction.

There was great fear that communism was behind society dissidence, challenging governmental authority. This was unheard and it was up to the government put an end to it for of being overtaken. These were powerful people and they weren't about to let a bunch of acid heads change the country with such notions as peace and love without a fight. It was a time of social unrest, the Weathermen were bombing government institutions and law enforcement buildings, the National Guard and law enforcements were on college campuses, including Kent State where four students were killed walking to class.

The Civil Rights Movement, Martin Luther King, the Viet Nam War, gay rights movement and women's rights movement were all happening at the same time, underground newspapers. psychedelics and LSD gave us the ability to question the norm unlike any other revolution in history, we were going to change the world with LSD, it was that powerful all we had to do was dose the masses and everyone would be able to see how to fix the world together.

Of course that was the dream but instead drug prohibition set in and people were distracted by lies and propaganda which became the truth. Rather than questioning the government and risking a lifetime in prison, many potential psychedelic philosophers got lost in life thinking not for themselves but the way society thought for them in conformity with government standards for living.

Not everyone gave into governmental design for societies health and wellbeing, many question governments decision about what is good for society as opposed to what is good for government. We are at another pivotal place in history that could go either way between the supporters of this administration or nonsupport's. Something will give way to change, it is inevitable something will occur, I don't know when or how but something will happen that bring about change.
 
You’re only making a helpful point if the uncle had a family history of schizophrenia.

Not quite - you have to take seriously how much you can rely on bullshit anecdotes. Dont treat em like reality. Genetic evidence is real. Uncle Festers anecdote might be bullshit.
 
With me, it wasn't LSD that directly led to schizophrenia type symptoms. I was using a great deal of MDA when symptoms manifested themselves to me. I was alone, at home while family was on vacation, I had a job and stayed home to work. However, just because I was binging on MDA at the time I had a history of other psychedelic use that likely contributed to psychological breakdown, including unresolved trauma. ...
Bingeing MDA or anything else will help a person construct an artificial reality in which new and "funky" mental behaviors can take hold by virtue of REPETITION - same as all learned behavior. Doing anything excessively is unbalanced.
the more times an unbalanced thing is done the more it becomes learned behavior.

Scientists referencing genetics - but not indicating any particular specific genes and how the expression of those genes affect potential behavior - are not helping clarify anything more effectively than monks chanting religious sutras when a family is distressed that a member is afflicted.

Specialists will walk the perplexed people into the area of unknown causes by repeating the litany that surrounds their own lack of understanding, but sharing concepts and stories helps calm people down, and that is where this whole schizophrenia runs in families thing is at. Scientists do not know this, however statistical analysis shows a relationship, but that relationship is occult or hidden - ergo this is in the realm of story-telling calms down children.
 
yep imagine the world without bull shit, you could actually learn something useful instead of all the false assumptions and opinions that distract from the truth. Everybody has an opinion, hell even I have an opinion but that doesn't make something true.
 
This is a heady thread. I had to read it a few times.

I think it’s a person’s choice of what they wanna do. I think some people will do ok and other won’t.

I have seen people that were “diagnosed” with certain illnesses take psychedelics and be just fine. And I have seen so-called straight and normal people take acid and completely freak out.

I often wonder if I would have been diagnosed with anything. I for sure have a lot of the stuff you all have ha ha. I was just never formally diagnosed by a psychologist or a psychiatrist. I just never went and now I don’t care. But nobody’s gonna tell me that I can’t trip you know? People get to make their own choices. I’m sort of stubborn that way, no way in hell would I let another person, psychologist or not, tell me what I am inside. Psychedelics showed me that I am me and I am at peace with what I am. No medicine would fix that. So fuck em. Glad I never went.
 
These drugs can trigger people with a predisposition to various mental health issues. They also make any mental health issues worse.

Think what you want. You have made it clear; that reality is not your thing.
 
I do not fear what is in my mind
Having that much Faith in yourself is the reason why you will be ok. You almost sound like me. No waffling either, total Faith in yourself. That is one of the prerequisites for anyone exploring the mind. Let that Faith be the rock.

Whatever you do just go light and increase as time goes on. But I know you are up there in years, mushrooms are less hammering to the nervous system than LSD.

Other than that I have seen enough, I believe you are good to go. Like I said, I am sure I have a few mental ailments that are undiagnosed and I never want them diagnosed at this stage. I will take my life from here. That notion of "I got this" is total Faith.
 
I was thinking last night that the shrooms have the least physical negative of all my arsenal of psychoactives today. after Christmas I must replenish that food of the gods
 
Think what you want. You have made it clear; that reality is not your thing.
Reality is for people who can’t handle drugs! (sorry JN you set that one up pretty good, I always loved that wise ass retort. It was a bumper sticker I saw years ago.)

Honestly, psychedelics are pretty damn good tools for exploring reality, as long as the person’s head is screwed on OK. For most people that is true. In my 50 years of taking them, I’ve only seen two of my friends lose the plot many years ago. But that was because of a large dose. Since then, both of them had gotten back into psychedelics, they just went lighter. And all seems OK. It was temporary. Then again, neither of them really were diagnosed with anything. So who knows? I think Mr. Ed will be fine.
 
These drugs can trigger people with a predisposition to various mental health issues. They also make any mental health issues worse.

Yes I agree and we can't ignore this.

And as @pupnik was talking about, anything overdone isn't good.

Not to dampen the hoorah but a good friend in mine I lived with in the shelter developed "schizophrenia" when he took 10x an acid dose by mistake. 60ish year old, very smart guy, did this when he was younger. But, he said he was medication resistant, so perhaps he didn't have the actual genetic schizophrenia. He said it was like "always having one foot in and one foot out of reality". Despite all this, he never really got paranoid or flat and depressed, so again I think the massive acid hit didn't induce the actual disorder but maybe just some symptoms.
 
I cannot deny the possibilities associated with psychedelics but life in itself is unpredictable..besides it's only life I don't make a big deal about it. In the great scheme of things I may go away from this reality into another reality for me alone. Who will deny me of my journey? I do not fear what life offers me even if it is not pleasing to me I have much to gain.
 
Whatever reality I find myself in is designed and perceived by me the author of my life and destiny. If I forget who I am I will loose control of my control of my life. I am banking that will not happen but if it does I will start over again like I have in the past.
Life is simple if you know yourself for nothing is more valuable than self.
 
Here is an amazing video on the topic that really opened my mind to the source of these kinds of problems with the mind :
 
Not to dampen the hoorah but a good friend in mine I lived with in the shelter developed "schizophrenia" when he took 10x an acid dose by mistake. 60ish year old, very smart guy, did this when he was younger. But, he said he was medication resistant, so perhaps he didn't have the actual genetic schizophrenia. He said it was like "always having one foot in and one foot out of reality". Despite all this, he never really got paranoid or flat and depressed, so again I think the massive acid hit didn't induce the actual disorder but maybe just some symptoms.

Yeah I know but its so easy for people to say shit like "It was the acid trip dude". There's a million other people on the exact same day as that guy who never took acid a day in their lives and had EXACTLY the same thing happen to them. It's just cos you've had 50 years of anti-LSD drug war bullshit that people come up with shit like "I remember now dude, I TOOK ACID that year...THAT MUST HAVE CAUSED MY SCHIZOPHRENIA DUDE"! - Cos it sounds really dramatic and exciting and it's a good story to tell. It's a lot more interesting than just saying "Syd Barrat was schizophrenic and it developed in his early twenties just like every other case of schizophrenia does". That's soooo boring. "He took acid and never came back dude!!" is exciting - hell - if I was schizophrenic I'd probably tell that story about myself even if I knew it was fucking bullshit. You've got a lot more chance of getting people to listen to you in the pub that way.

My best friend developed schizophrenia in his early 20s - did exactly the same kind of shit you hear Syd Barrat and Peter Green did - never took a psychedelic in his life. That's schizophrenia - not LSD.

The simple fact is schizophrenia rates have been constant for 100 years. If acid/pot HAD ANY EFFECT WHATSOEVER on causing or "triggering" schizophrenia we should have seen an absolute explosion in schizophrenia rates from the sixties onwards. We saw no such thing.

Case closed.
 
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I'm just telling you what I've seen in my experience

Again, it probably wasn't the genetic type, because he was medication resistant.

I spent years with him in the homeless shelter.

Some absolutely massive amounts of drugs can kill you. Well, I'm not saying that. I'm saying it can absolutely fuck you up mentally though.
 
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As a young boy, I recall being very moody. If something didn't go my way I would pout which did nothing for me to get my way. I was a moody child. The other thing was psychological abandonment from my father and childhood trauma that occurred at age 16.

I was popular my junior and senior years at high school only because it was a small school and I made up my mind to be friendly and outgoing to everyone I came in contact with. When I started smoking weed in my junior year I didn't get high like everyone seemed to. You wold think I would get the message and stop smoking the stuff, but back then marijuana was a social event and if you didn't join in you could be labeled as a narc or something like that. Instead of slowing down on my THC use I increased it by taking more in which eventually made a zombie out of me. It didn't dawn on me my system was different than the majority of people smoking weed, they actually enjoyed being high.

Like I said, I was not like most people I knew then, my background was different, and by the age of 17, I had already lived in 5 or 6 different places because my father was a preacher. Home life was unstable with my father being away and absent from nurturing. I didn't mind moving from town to town but my father's absence did a number on me. That and him catching me looking at a nudist magazine just before my 16th birthday. Ironically, he barged into my bedroom (thought I locked the door) to tell me he found a car for me. What would have been a joyous occasion turned into an act of shame, disappointment and loss of face. He used the car as threat against me, insinuating I didn't deserve the car he found for me. In other words I didn't deserve his love.

Talk about fucked up, that sort of trauma stays with you a long time. I started using drugs (psychedelics) to find myself. I was broken and fragmented on the inside, I thought psychedelics would give me edge over my peers by being enlightened. Instead of the edge I sought psychedelics did the opposite by showing me unity and oneness in a world that could be mine for the asking.

Unfortunately, my mind crashed before I could get a handle on life and everything went south. However, the seed was planted and even though I didn't come to my senses until much later in life, I became the man I was supposed be in the long run. I don't regret a single minute of my life...I got the life I wanted, but getting to this point came with a cost.
 
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