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EADD Heroin thread v.XXV -- a quarter centuary of threads if not yet a full decade since the 'drought'...

The Birmingham video........erm what can I say here?
I know a few in the video, not like I know their face I know them as in their names etc.

Most of the zombies / street Yoga masters are on a mixture of Crack & then smoked Mamba / Spice to come down as they have quit using Heroin, others are on insane doses of Pre-Gabs mixed with white cider.

It's a whole Lottery / crapshoot of what they taken, the odd one WILL sadly be on fent and xylazine as it does pop up now & again but most are Mamba smokers & have smoked lots of Crack before they smoked Spice / Mamba.

I am seeing more of this sadly, last June I was with a guy who had smoked around £150 of Crack & then rolled a "spliff" of Mamba as thick as my thumb, he soon went blank, pissed himself, fell over & I couldn't wake him up so I walked away quickly, God knows what happened to him tbh.
 
BadBoy377 said:
'Enthusiastically discuss different brands of ibuprofen ' made me chuckle.

Like we do about the kinds with codeine in it and which one gives a better yield post processing? 🤔

Probably not.
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Actually it's not that different from hearing junkies / benzo heads discussing a batch. They just can't seem to realise it's a generic drug. Nor do they know about efficacy, and how 100mg of one drug isn't the equivalent of 100mg of another.

Plenty take tramadol recreationally too. Some in their sixties. But to them that's not 'drugs', so it's okay.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
Plenty take tramadol recreationally too. Some in their sixties. But to them that's not 'drugs', so it's okay.
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My mates Uncle is 100% like that.
His on oral Morphine for a growth on his Spine, he REFUSES to accept it's a Drug that's near equal to Heroin, in his mind & I have heard him say it "This isn't a drug, this is medicine" I can't help but laugh when I hear that.
 
To slightly misquote Jefferson Airplane's White Rabbit "And the pills the Dr gives you don't do anything at all", or only half of what you need them to do, is it any wonder people that know how to access other substances, take matters into their own hands.

(That doesn't even need a question mark it's so self evident :ROFLMAO: .)

Most often just in an attempt to self-regulate or to help get one's mind better balanced and better adjusted to the demands of day to day life, rather than being about getting 'high', wasted, annihilated, or w/e.

Although obviously that does appeal and does happen at least sometimes, for most of us.
 
I'm medicated to the hilt. Three different prescription medications each pulling in different directions. Not fun stuff, but it definitely beats the days of the self-medication trap and turning myself into an imbecile zombie with benzos, and it definitely beats madness.

Having said that, I downed a blue this morning, and before the day's out I'll smoke weed, so make of that what you will.
 
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TZB makes a good point. White cider is also common. It's certainly seen in the footage but not commented on.

I have to admit that it's only in the last couple of years that I've come across people who demonstated the full spectrum of symptoms associated with Korsakoff Syndrome. While we all know alcohol intereracts withother CNS depressants, does it interct with Space/Mamba/<insert brand-name here>? I don't think anyone knows.

At least officially, fentanyl isn't as common in the UK as it has become in the US:

www.statista.com

Fentanyl drug deaths England & Wales 2024| Statista

The number of deaths from fentanyl drug poisoning in England and Wales has increased in the observed period.
www.statista.com www.statista.com

But I question if it's tested for in all cases. If toxic amounts of more common drugs were also detected, would a patholagist look further without there being a specific reason to check? I don't know.
 
White cider has been an absolute menace for years. I drank it daily for a while. Poison.

The most prominent brand (White Lightning) was even withdrawn from sale sixteen years ago because Heineken was under so much pressure. When the likes of Heineken don't want to be associated with a brand you know there's a problem.
 
@Perkins : Reborn - It's odd when a can of the cheapest, most generic 'energy drink' costs more per can than white cider.

Last time I looked it was 89p for a can of Ace Frosty Lightning Hammer or whatever brand the shop favoured. I've been told retailer still make 20-30% on sales but I have noted that none of the city centre off licences sell the stuff. I don't know why since I'm told retailers still make 20-30% profit.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
Have I fuck.

It was dropped on me, I was kinda stuck & made a choice in a few seconds.
I had to wait till I didn't feel any Meth & began to feel a rattle starting then took that Espranor, the days of snorting Bupe have gone as these things look like a weird paper disk, it made me think of some Catholic wafer, if Jani was still alive I'd like to see him try & I.V. this damn stuff.

It's fucking dumb why the NHS just don't give people like me legal & NHS backed diamorphine scripts, it's that simple!!!!!!
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Tell me Zopic..how are the things in U.K. with legally prescribed diamorphine.I know that such programs exist in U.K...also in Swiss..may be in Holland too...How a person could enter in such program?Why u are not in such program?Are they free or may be too expensive(our methadone or morphine programs are paid all even if u have full health insurance)...may be there is long wishlist and they are limited like number?Idk nothin' about it.Never been to Britain.
 
4DQSAR said:
TZB makes a good point. White cider is also common. It's certainly seen in the footage but not commented on.

I have to admit that it's only in the last couple of years that I've come across people who demonstated the full spectrum of symptoms associated with Korsakoff Syndrome. While we all know alcohol intereracts withother CNS depressants, does it interct with Space/Mamba/<insert brand-name here>? I don't think anyone knows.

At least officially, fentanyl isn't as common in the UK as it has become in the US:

www.statista.com

Fentanyl drug deaths England & Wales 2024| Statista

The number of deaths from fentanyl drug poisoning in England and Wales has increased in the observed period.
www.statista.com www.statista.com

But I question if it's tested for in all cases. If toxic amounts of more common drugs were also detected, would a patholagist look further without there being a specific reason to check? I don't know.
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I've never tried spice.

But drinking and smoking good old THC absolutely synergise.
 
Bleaney said:
It's not just specific to spice variants though..

The exact same postures in homeless drug addicts have probably been most widely seen and filmed in Kensignton, Philadelphia over recent years.

The drug responsible over there has the street name of 'tranq' and that is a mixture of fent and xylazine.

The scale of things is totally unlike the UK cities where there's generally small groups or lone people affected, it's entire blocks -and masses of people, with total devastation everywhere you look!

I think things were at their worst in Kensignton, Philadelphia maybe 3 years or so ago, I think there was a 'clean up' within the last 12 months or so. Not sure what they did with all the addicts and dealers, or why they let things get to that stage in the first place.

In other US cities that have their roughest neighbourhoods devastated by homelessness like The Tenderloin in San Fransisco and Skid Row in LA, I gather that fent has become a huge problem everywhere, but 'tranq' doesn't seem to have hit other US cities as bad as it hit Kensignton, Philadelphia, AFAIK.
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Local drug scenes in the US tend to favour particular substances if this excellent piece on PCP in Vice is representative.
 
Yeah it's taken EADD too long to notice Mr Bandit is always full of good points.
I know my humour is dark but when I speak about drugs and the stuff that comes with it I tell the raw truth and never sugar-coat the facts.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
The Birmingham video........erm what can I say here?
I know a few in the video, not like I know their face I know them as in their names etc.

Most of the zombies / street Yoga masters are on a mixture of Crack & then smoked Mamba / Spice to come down as they have quit using Heroin, others are on insane doses of Pre-Gabs mixed with white cider.

It's a whole Lottery / crapshoot of what they taken, the odd one WILL sadly be on fent and xylazine as it does pop up now & again but most are Mamba smokers & have smoked lots of Crack before they smoked Spice / Mamba.

I am seeing more of this sadly, last June I was with a guy who had smoked around £150 of Crack & then rolled a "spliff" of Mamba as thick as my thumb, he soon went blank, pissed himself, fell over & I couldn't wake him up so I walked away quickly, God knows what happened to him tbh.¹¹
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Zopiclone bandit said:
The Birmingham video........erm what can I say here?
I know a few in the video, not like I know their face I know them as in their names etc.

Most of the zombies / street Yoga masters are on a mixture of Crack & then smoked Mamba / Spice to come down as they have quit using Heroin, others are on insane doses of Pre-Gabs mixed with white cider.

It's a whole Lottery / crapshoot of what they taken, the odd one WILL sadly be on fent and xylazine as it does pop up now & again but most are Mamba smokers & have smoked lots of Crack before they smoked Spice / Mamba.

I am seeing more of this sadly, last June I was with a guy who had smoked around £150 of Crack & then rolled a "spliff" of Mamba as thick as my thumb, he soon went blank, pissed himself, fell over & I couldn't wake him up so I walked away quickly, God knows what happened to him tbh.
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You mentioned that most of them have quit heroin nowadays over there. How do u know that? Is it because of zenes mix with heroin? Or that is it low quality?
 
irishtesco25 said:
Is it because of zenes mix with heroin? Or that is it low quality?
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Any fucking chance that it might be just puts me right off. Even if my pal gave it me I'd still have to test it and then It'd probably still be in the back of my mind.

In my day broon was either average or amazing, prob at worst some paracetamol and caffeine. But it was still broon. Not shite.

Fuck that shit, man. Only way I'll ever be touching again is if I make my own or get it in hospital.

Over and out.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
"Prescribe heroin in a medical setting to people suffering from addiction who have not responded to other forms of treatment. This will take the market away from organised criminals and reduce crime to fund addiction. This recommendation recognises that we must disrupt demand, as well as supply to have a real impact. The most chaotic, problematic individuals are also the most lucrative to organised crime groups. A conservative estimate indicated that around 10% of heroin users may account for around 50% of the total illicit market, HAT would therefore have a significant impact on the illicit market. In the West Midlands, we will pilot a Heroin Assisted Treatment service by 2020 which will be supported by a clinical evaluation."

Now THAT is talk.
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Saw the question regarding medical grade DiaMorhine supplied pharmaceutical in Nl.
Does it exist still or did it ever ? Been around quite some time. And is still.

Good friend of mine met the criteria, he created a track mark on his upper arm for it.
https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0020561/2024-01-01/

Iit s taking on site that deter s most.Being blind eyed.
Couldn t do a shot himself my friend. And he never vaped/ smoked the stuff.
The criteria mentioned as 2-nd ROA addict s use on location.

He snorted it, not having the knowledge. Again AFAIK.
Dutch Heroine is the grade used for IV and vaping/ smoking.
He choose Methadone. Orally active and after the initial period take homes allowed. But the Heroin program is still running. Just no take homes. Never.
 
4DQSAR said:
TZB makes a good point. White cider is also common. It's certainly seen in the footage but not commented on.
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Any strong booze mixed with Pre-Gab isn't a good idea, I have only drank booze on Pre-gab once & it floored me, it felt like a even worse & more "dirty" DXM high & I said before how truly DIRTY DXM is.

I am one of these poor folks who have this issue, I had no idea about it when I first did DXM, I did 800mg the first time & it did nothing at all to me. The 2nd time I did it I took 300mg & had the most SAVAGE disso experience of my Life, it made huge dose trips of 4-MeO-PCP look like a bad joke.

  • "Poor metabolizers" (about 5-10% of the population) have little to no CYP2D6 activity, leading to much higher and longer-lasting levels of unmetabolized DXM in their system.
 
Nas47 said:
Tell me Zopic..how are the things in U.K. with legally prescribed diamorphine.I know that such programs exist in U.K...also in Swiss..may be in Holland too...How a person could enter in such program?Why u are not in such program?Are they free or may be too expensive(our methadone or morphine programs are paid all even if u have full health insurance)...may be there is long wishlist and they are limited like number?Idk nothin' about it.Never been to Britain.
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For Treatment of Opioid Dependence (Addiction)
Prescribing diamorphine for the treatment of opioid addiction (Heroin-Assisted Treatment or HAT) is highly restricted.
  • Prescribers: Only medical practitioners who hold a special licence issued by the Home Secretary (or Scottish Government's Chief Medical Officer) may prescribe diamorphine for addiction treatment.
  • Specialist Oversight: These doctors are usually consultant psychiatrists on the General Medical Council's Specialist Register.
  • Strict Conditions: This treatment is typically a measure of last resort for patients who have not responded well to other treatments like methadone or buprenorphine, and it usually involves supervised consumption in a clinic setting.

Prescription Forms
Private prescriptions for Schedule 2 controlled drugs (including diamorphine) must be written on specially designated forms (e.g., FP10PCD in England) and include the prescriber's identification number. Electronic prescriptions via the Electronic Prescription Service (EPS) for Schedule 2 and 3 controlled drugs are also permitted with an Advanced Electronic Signature (AES).
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
Any strong booze mixed with Pre-Gab isn't a good idea, I have only drank booze on Pre-gab once & it floored me, it felt like a even worse & more "dirty" DXM high & I said before how truly DIRTY DXM is.

I am one of these poor folks who have this issue, I had no idea about it when I first did DXM, I did 800mg the first time & it did nothing at all to me. The 2nd time I did it I took 300mg & had the most SAVAGE disso experience of my Life, it made huge dose trips of 4-MeO-PCP look like a bad joke.

  • "Poor metabolizers" (about 5-10% of the population) have little to no CYP2D6 activity, leading to much higher and longer-lasting levels of unmetabolized DXM in their system.
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Did you drink it as the syrup? That went straight through me when I tried.
 
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