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Benzos long term.

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Okiv99

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Has anybody just stayed on benzodiazepines long term and not had issues? Or do they basically just stop working eventually. My whole drug issues in the first place started because ive never felt normal/totally comfortable in social situations (I think im probably pretty autistic tbh I have multiple symptoms of it and have been asked my people if I am) and im at the point where im thinking about just using benzos forever so I can live the way I want to instead of being handicapped by my discomfort in social situations.

Has anybody done daily dosing long term ? Ive tried using benzos twice a week and it doesnt work because rebound anxiety means you are worst a day or two after using them, so maybe just using them and accepting being dependant is the better option now.
 
Benzo addiction is hell. It's like a payday loan on your mental health. Withdrawal can kill you.

Honestly I'd quit while you're ahead unless you're using under the care of a doctor who is monitoring situation.

Lots of autistic people cope things like cbt even low dose antipsychotics (if prescribed by specialist).

Good luck whatever you go,

BB
 
BadBoy377 said:
Benzo addiction is hell. It's like a payday loan on your mental health. Withdrawal can kill you.

Honestly I'd quit while you're ahead unless you're using under the care of a doctor who is monitoring situation.

Lots of autistic people cope things like cbt even low dose antipsychotics (if prescribed by specialist).

Good luck whatever you go,

BB
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What can low dose antipsychotics be taken without the extreme blunting people get when treated for bipolar etc?
 
If your symptoms are anxiety related, social anxiety, performance anxiety then drugs like propranolol and mirtazapine apparently raise allopregnanolone. This apparently has positive allosteric modulation on Gaba A. So it's like your brain is producing it's own benzo.

That's if what I read is to be believed.

The gaba system is so complex. You don't really want to fuck it up.

Honestly. Speak to a psychiatrist. Find a good one if you can.

@LoginNotSecure any input here?
 
Okiv99 said:
Has anybody just stayed on benzodiazepines long term and not had issues? Or do they basically just stop working eventually. My whole drug issues in the first place started because ive never felt normal/totally comfortable in social situations (I think im probably pretty autistic tbh I have multiple symptoms of it and have been asked my people if I am) and im at the point where im thinking about just using benzos forever so I can live the way I want to instead of being handicapped by my discomfort in social situations.

Has anybody done daily dosing long term ? Ive tried using benzos twice a week and it doesnt work because rebound anxiety means you are worst a day or two after using them, so maybe just using them and accepting being dependant is the better option now.
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I've been prescribed benzos for over a decade and take them regularly. I do this knowing that at any time I could get cut off for a number of bullshit reasons, but I'm confident that because I have a relationship with my doctor that if that does ever happen he (or whoever replaces him) will work with me through a slow taper.

Even under these conditions it's definitely not ideal. But everything in life is a trade off. I do it because that is what works best for me, but unless you're under a doctor's care I would strongly advise against it. And no, just like with anything they do not have the same effect as they used to, but at the same time... they still do work.

All of that being said-- It honestly doesn't sound like you're at the point where you have a true dependence yet. If I could go back in time and avoid it I would. They're really best to use a few times a month maybe, in small doses, when you really need them. You need to seriously consider the reliability of your supply and have an exit strategy if things go sideways. Not something you want to take lightly without weighing risk vs reward.
 
mal3volent said:
I've been prescribed benzos for over a decade and take them regularly. I do this knowing that at any time I could get cut off for a number of bullshit reasons, but I'm confident that because I have a relationship with my doctor that if that does ever happen he (or whoever replaces him) will work with me through a slow taper.

Even under these conditions it's definitely not ideal. But everything in life is a trade off. I do it because that is what works best for me, but unless you're under a doctor's care I would strongly advise against it. And no, just like with anything they do not have the same effect as they used to, but at the same time... they still do work.

All of that being said-- It honestly doesn't sound like you're at the point where you have a true dependence yet. If I could go back in time and avoid it I would. They're really best to use a few times a month maybe, in small doses, when you really need them. You need to seriously consider the reliability of your supply and have an exit strategy if things go sideways. Not something you want to take lightly without weighing risk vs reward.
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Fucking right! +1 for exit strategy for sure!
 
BadBoy377 said:
If your symptoms are anxiety related, social anxiety, performance anxiety then drugs like propranolol and mirtazapine apparently raise allopregnanolone. This apparently has positive allosteric modulation on Gaba A. So it's like your brain is producing it's own benzo.

That's if what I read is to be believed.

The gaba system is so complex. You don't really want to fuck it up.

Honestly. Speak to a psychiatrist. Find a good one if you can.

@LoginNotSecure any input here?
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I read about propanolol effecting the amygdala and was given a prescription but never used daily. Maybe I will try it again and use daily. They wont prescribe for anxiety anymore in the uk though which is annoying however i think i can source it, never heard about the alloprenanolone effect so worth a shot.
 
mal3volent said:
I've been prescribed benzos for over a decade and take them regularly. I do this knowing that at any time I could get cut off for a number of bullshit reasons, but I'm confident that because I have a relationship with my doctor that if that does ever happen he (or whoever replaces him) will work with me through a slow taper.

Even under these conditions it's definitely not ideal. But everything in life is a trade off. I do it because that is what works best for me, but unless you're under a doctor's care I would strongly advise against it. And no, just like with anything they do not have the same effect as they used to, but at the same time... they still do work.

All of that being said-- It honestly doesn't sound like you're at the point where you have a true dependence yet. If I could go back in time and avoid it I would. They're really best to use a few times a month maybe, in small doses, when you really need them. You need to seriously consider the reliability of your supply and have an exit strategy if things go sideways. Not something you want to take lightly without weighing risk vs reward.
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Yeah im not on them now. I had a phase where I used them for 2 months straight and it felt like I was a normal person for the first time in my life. Other then that ive just had short stints where i used them twice a week or so, because after my 2 month straight usage I ran out and had extreme panic attacks for 5 days or so.

They are super easy to source in the UK nowadays though. Although I find it costs average £1 for 10mg valium or 1mg xanax (they are equal in effect I find) and my tolerance grows so quick im having to use 7 pills a day within 2 weeks. Could see it escalating with regular usage to where it is costing quite allot.
 
Okiv99 said:
... my tolerance grows so quick im having to use 7 pills a day within 2 weeks. Could see it escalating with regular usage to where it is costing quite allot.
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The above indicates to me (fwiw) the lack of a necessary key to long time usage. Self control and using the minimal effective dosage.
No judgements I am on long term self rx-ed (now) bnz therapy. At my current dose I find no psychoactive effects but do experience a lesser degree of stress, anxiety, sleep issues and physical problems.
I would not recommend long term benzodiazepine use to anyone especially when so young (again no judgements).
As stated please seek help with a doctor in this as benzodiazepine usage can certainly lead to problems both immediate and future.
Some are treated long term and there are no issues while some end up in a worse state than when administration began.
Benzo usage will dull life just as easily as any other med. More than some.
There's the formula of risk/reward to be considered as well as age and necessity.
Hope it all works out and please keep us updated on this?
Best,
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Wonder if Benzo s are a good solution when your having anxiety. Especially if it s aggravated in between doses. No experience with anxiety.

But with a secure plug as mentioned. Over here it like tossing a coin.
Benzo dependence is a hell. Add a unwilling dr. and it seem s shit.
Mirtazepine is a good option. Made me more not-anxious. Same for Pregabalin.
Prescribed for GAD overhear. A steady supply seem s vital. Maybe less hasslewith these. I didn get depended to Pregabalin but many report WD s.

Blood-pressure med s rely on you physic s so i ll leave it to expert s.
Can t take these i d faint on em. Low BP is contraindication.

But took Benzo s long term 90 % un-prescribed. Never to much.
Never got WD s, used it for comedown s/ insomnia/ tapering Booze.
Also a no-no btw when anxious of nature. Booze = anxiety.

Only with a secure plug venturing in Benzo s seem s reasonable.
Especially when taking in account anxiety. Tread lightly.
Sadly no natural substance seem s to kill anxiety AFAIK.
@Okiv99
 
emkee_reinvented said:
Wonder if Benzo s are a good solution when your having anxiety. Especially if it s aggravated in between doses. No experience with anxiety.

But with a secure plug as mentioned. Over here it like tossing a coin.
Benzo dependence is a hell. Add a unwilling dr. and it seem s shit.
Mirtazepine is a good option. Made me more not-anxious. Same for Pregabalin.
Prescribed for GAD overhear. A steady supply seem s vital. Maybe less hasslewith these. I didn get depended to Pregabalin but many report WD s.

Blood-pressure med s rely on you physic s so i ll leave it to expert s.
Can t take these i d faint on em. Low BP is contraindication.

But took Benzo s long term 90 % un-prescribed. Never to much.
Never got WD s, used it for comedown s/ insomnia/ tapering Booze.
Also a no-no btw when anxious of nature. Booze = anxiety.

Only with a secure plug venturing in Benzo s seem s reasonable.
Especially when taking in account anxiety. Tread lightly.
Sadly no natural substance seem s to kill anxiety AFAIK.
@Okiv99
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Its if u are using they multiple times a week u get screwed. In my bad phase I worked u to the point I would take 10 of the 10mg valiums before gym and could still function norally. Then Id have a day or two off, but ofcourse such a dose it was still in my blood and so 1 week afteer stopping using i got hit by giant panic attack one day.
 
Okiv99 said:
Its if u are using they multiple times a week u get screwed. In my bad phase I worked u to the point I would take 10 of the 10mg valiums before gym and could still function norally. Then Id have a day or two off, but ofcourse such a dose it was still in my blood and so 1 week afteer stopping using i got hit by giant panic attack one day.
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Took them multiple times a week, not long-lasting one s like Diazepam.
Which was prescribed during my Detox, bizarre doses de-escalating over 5 days.
Lasted me 3 week s, A beast of a benzo but very nice. 1 st drug purchased online.

Must be personal chemistry, presumably. When dosed 2/ 3 times a week.
6/ 8 hour ones no rebound or physical dependence ime.
Quit doing that before banning RC s.

Had seizure s before that unrelated and despite having them.
No dr i met would prescribe a Benzo to prevent or seize them.
Got Clobazam a few times shortages kept it to that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clobazam

But imo that is a very benign benzo and it s indication.
Seizure s and anxiety. it again was ime not notice able.
But took away the halo s without any impairment.
Look into that, it also has a ceiling unlike other Benzo s 40 mg.
80 in NL. We are a bit back-ward, and in general Quack.

Regarding benzo s
 
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There are parallel lessons to be learned concerning both Benzodiazepines and Opioids. We have drugs that eliminate anxiety and drugs that eliminate pain. We can't use these powerful medicines to solve what are essentially everyday problems. They are to be used only in moments of need. For Benzodiazepines, maybe a panic attack, a particularly traumatic day... not every day. Opioids are the same. You need to respect the power of these medicines.

In my experience, anybody who is trying to use Benzodiazepines a couple of times a week is just in preparation to be taking them every day. I know some will think I'm exaggerating. If you can make that decision, your brain will be reprogrammed both chemically by the drug, but also by your secondary reinforcement of relief. It will become harder and harder to resist. Then you decide to have a "cheat day", then a few more, then you're over the event horizon.
 
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