EADD Heroin thread v.XXV -- a quarter centuary of threads if not yet a full decade since the 'drought'...

[4DQSAR]

@4DQSAR
Your test lab even able to measure out ng (nanograms)?
What kinda scales you need to weight out a "safe" dose in this range?

Sorry but I'm not sure what you refer to.

Did I mention a ligand active in the ng range?

The only thing I can think of actiive in that range is something like botulinum neurotoxin. I seem to recall that being fatal in the 2-3ng/Kg range. Research on that compound is only carried out at BSL-4 facilities.

Of course it finds use in medicine in the form of Botox but as far as I know it's a solution but how that is prepared, I don't know.

Carefully, I expect.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Sorry but I'm not sure what you refer to.

Did I mention a ligand active in the ng range?

The only thing I can think of actiive in that range is something like botulinum neurotoxin. I seem to recall that being fatal in the 2-3ng/Kg range. Research on that compound is only carried out at BSL-4 facilities.

Of course it finds use in medicine in the form of Botox but as far as I know it's a solution but how that is prepared, I don't know.

Carefully, I expect.

I was asking if the scales you use at work weigh out in that level.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I remember people pissing positive for barbiturates during the 2010 drought.

I made the mistake of having a dig at that time because smoking wasn't quite enough, and I was out for almost twelve hours.

Yeh, I tested positive for barbs in 2010 myself, which was a surprise as I've never knowingly taken barbiturates.

 

[LoginNotSecure]

BSL-4 facilities.

There is a couple of level above that which exist and I've visited during my time on this planet. One of which is a little place in Wiltshire, and another I cannot name. Fascinating places, but truly chill oneself to the bone.

 

[4DQSAR]

I was asking if the scales you use at work weigh out in that level.

OK, I did find your post. You could have helped out a bit.

Detection can go down to ng using technologies such as ELISA. So in a urine sample, the small fraction of a compound (rather than it's metabolites) can be detected.

But even nitazenes aren't ACTIVE at those ranges.

Formulation is an entire science in itself but some V-mixers and rocking mixers can achieve >99% uniformity. I have no idea if these technologies are used, but they exist. But who would weigh out dose by dose? I would reasonably assume that even the people who sell such dangerous products would formulate at some larger scale.

Likewise you can 'weight' things in the yg range but that appears to be for other sciences as well (physics). I suppose an ultra microbalance would be the smallest practical way to weigh something and they go down to 0.1 µg or maybe less. I didn't chase down the technologies to find what the most sensitive was.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Was starting to get really sick, managed to get a few lines down my neck and feel so much better it's hard to explain to people who have never been opiate sick.

I always feel better in my legs and stomach first as my rattle lifts, the lifting of the sickness is beyond words and can't be expressed if somebody has never been dope sick.

 

[4DQSAR]

Seroquel fucking horrible shit. DXM on the other hand I find alright.

I've a bunch of Seroquel lying around I don't why I kept them . Just in case I have another meth session that gets out of hand I guess.

Is there any decent way to use them like in a combo or something?

That's quetiapine I believe. I have read that within the prison systems of a few nations some inmates consume quetiapine so they can 'sleep through their sentence' or at least be emotionally isolated from their position.

I've heard anecdotal evidence of people crushing up the pills, mixing them with cocaine and injecting the combination in what is termed a 'slowball' or a 'q-ball'. Now I don't really know what mixing a dopamine antagonist with a dopamine reuptake inhibitor would do. I mean, there is absolutely no psychoactive that at least some people enjoy. I recall asking @fastandbulbous about the mystery of people mixing pentazocine (Talwin) with tripellenamine (a first generation antihistamine) and his view was that it was more myth then fact.

Although I should add that I have watched someone repeatedly inject another first generation antihistamine alone an when asked why, even they couldn't really explain why. In Russia people were injecting tropicamide (a delerient) so who knows?

I know of only one case of quetipine being sold on the street and that WAS because it sent the consumer to enter a dreamless sleep for 24+ hours. Could be they had an undiagnosed psychatric condition and for whatever reasons they got a more positive outcome, but that's in fifty odd years. I heard about another case indirectly but never met the buyer (user) or seller so unsure what exactly was being sold in that case.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

There is a couple of level above that which exist and I've visited during my time on this planet. One of which is a little place in Wiltshire, and another I cannot name. Fascinating places, but truly chill oneself to the bone.

When I just had a Google look at what a bsl-4 facility is I wish I hadn't.
That is the kinda place you will find weird man made dieases that cause bleeding fevers & other stuff that makes you die puking up your own shit & stomach.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Thread 'Acupuncture for Heroin withdrawl?'

Nov 23, 2025

Got another session with The Doctor this Tuesday (25th November) for a review of my Methadone script & the usual B.S. you have to deal with at the Clinic, the last time I was at the Clinic I was given a sheet with all the N.A. meeting times, the days of Yoga classes, the CBT sessions etc............ but the one that stood out to me the most was the Acupuncture sessions.

Anyone ever tried this?

I am booked in for my first session, I don't wanna sound like a Hippie but I think it may have something about it & have some value. The Human body has so many points if pressed cause an effect &...

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Gonna be a case of this for it to cure me I think.

 

[irishtesco25]

@Perkins : Reborn @Shambles @BadBoy377 @steewith2ees @F.U.B.A.R.

You ever heard of "PK" gear? The guy has been on about PK Gear for months now, he says it stands for Pakistan & goes with that name to stand out from the stuff made in the Afghan Tribal areas. I picked up 0.3 earlier today against my better judgement. It was a really big bag & the gear is very rocky like it's been in a press, it has a slight orange tone to the powder, when it runs it is very dark & around 80% of it on the foil is jet black, I have never seen gear this black in my life. It has a taste I have not come across in years, it tastes just like gear did back in the early 2000's.

It made me gag & did a small sick in my mouth from the first 3 lines!!!!!
We all know when you are dope sick the first line or two make you vomit when in withdrawl, this made me vomit on the first 3 & the 4th was the best I could do to NOT puke again, I felt it right away like a bolt of lightning going into my skull then down into my feet. It comes on really slow, I just finished the tooter & can feel it still building right now. The itch didn't start till a good 90 mins after the first line, it's what I call "Marathon gear" as its like running a marathon, you have to pace yourself as you have miles to do & have to space yourself, this is the stuff you will still be feeling after you been to sleep.

It has a slight orange colour when in powder but goes Pure Black when heated up & has that "organic ,dirt, plant" kind of taste if you know what IO am on about when you smoke gear.

I should have taken a photo of this stuff, If I have more of it I will be sending a bit off to WEDINOS just to see how strong it is & what is actually in it too.

My whole face & legs are itchy right now, the itch like all the effects from this damn batch has come on SSSSSLLLLLOOOOWWWWW & you can tell I'll still be having the itch at 1am & it'll keep me awake.

Hi just saw ur post, u said u got heroin in orange powder? To me, this sound like morphine? Cos I remember I got it like that few times back in 2009 I think when I was in Bradford. Thst heroin gave me so much euphoric high and also gsve me itching all thr time especially in the groin area! Hated it like that lol. It look like pk heroin is taking over uk,?

 

[irishtesco25]

These BTNX strips are Bullshit & how the fuck is that meant to save anyone?
"Detects Nitazene in levels above 2000ng/ml"

So I had no idea what a ng is & had a look, turns out ng is nanogram & is equal to 0.001mcg, this shows you how POTENT Nitazene is imho!!!!
So if it's below 2000ng/ml in the test you could still have Nitazene & not know, at that active dose level it's fucking insane, how anyone who cutting their "Heroin" with this shit could measure out ng levels is beyond me, that is proper Lab style scales.


Also you need different tests to look for Benzo (which I pissed DIRTY for & NEVER touch 'em) & also different tests for Fent & Carfentanil, so if I only have 0.3g I will end up with at best a £5 bag after testing all these strips, this company are taking the fucking piss!!!!!

I fuckin HATED nitazene, did u know, u can spot if u have nitazene when u smoke heroin on foil? Its red tint with jet black! Its fuckin too strong and ko me and I never felt right with normal heroin so I decided to give myself a break away from heroin and reset my body. It took 4 weeks ffs!fuck dutch for working with Mexican cartel. This is why nitazenes are everywhere in Holland atm I heard from a friend in Holland, Dutch cartel got so bad press about it . And they lost every 1 business and yet they stil are working with Mexican cartel to bring in cocaine lol. Last year spainish police seized 1 tons of fentanyl in Spain as the mex cartel made mistakes in sending fent when they should send cocaine lol. I have suspected they did it on purpose as they wanna grt grip on Europe market. Fuck mex cartel. Scum bag!

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Its red tint with jet black!

If you got a red tint in the gear it sure isn't that, that is bash & is usually Mannitol or paracetamol.
Back in the early 2000's if we got gear with red in we would go fucking mad.

So much of this PK gear I've been getting does have a kinda heavy black tone to it, it's like Oil colour in a way.

Fuck mex cartel. Scum bag!

A member of a Mexican group I spoke to was a nice guy, a woman I know who's done Field Study work in rural Mexico has interviewed Contract Killers for Mexican cartels, she said they were nice people also & all the killers had PTSD & were deeply sorry about the line of work they were forced to do.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Shit hit the fan today, I think I have kinda fucked myself here!!!!!

Was at the Methadone clinic / Drug Rehab building for a check up with the quack & my worker etc, they pissed me & it was dirty & my worker had a few words with me about it, she quoted me own fucking words back to me which had made an impression upon her for some reason but when I got my 1st script I told her as it is & being a little articulate for a Junkie I made an impression on her, well I am not one of these fucking baghead idiots who look like their parents had sex with a Potato shall we say.

I got a good Stoic roasting, the damn worker had even Google searched who Marcus Aurelius was after we had a chat a few weeks ago & she roasted me, for once my mouth didn't have a reply & I had no fucking ability to roast the woman with Logic & be a smart-arse with her.

I was given harsh TRUTH & had to sit there & swallow it, long story cut short I got a blue script now for Espranor & NO METHADONE, it was part my own choosing but I was stuck & trapped in a corner with nowhere to go, do I really wanna get clean OR do I just wanna fuck about still was the option in front of me.

Sitting here now with a green & the fucking blue script too, those who know will understand what the blue one is for if I also have a green one

I can feel the gear from yesterday with added meth leaking out of me already, I got the yawn on for the last 2 hours, the cold shock up the spine like an electronic shock etc so I am starting to get sick as I type this.


I got 2mg X 3 for today & then 2mg X25 & then 8mg X14, I am shitting myself, I cannot bullshit this anymore, Methadone is GONE & I now have to face myself in all the Horror of a naked junkie alone with their actions & behaviour.

It's Espranor or NOTHING & that means.......well it's not going to be a nice sight to say the least.

"She tells me she comes from my mother the mountain
Her skin fits her tightly
And her lips do not lie
She silently slips from her throat a medallion
Slowly she twirls it
In front of my eyes
Sing a-too a-loor-a-lie-o
I watch her, I love her, I long for to touch her
The satin she's wearin'
Is shimmering blue
Outside my window her ladies are sleeping
My dogs a gone hunting
The howling is through
Sing a-too a-loor-a-lie-o
So I reach for her hand and her eyes turn to poison
And her hair turns to splinters,
And her flesh turns to brine
She leaps across the room, she stands in the window
And screams that my first-born
Will surely be blind
Sing a-too a-loor-a-lie-o
Then she throws herself out to the black of the nightfall
She's parted her lips
But she makes not a sound
I fly down the stairway, and I run to the garden
No trace of my true love
Is there to be found
Sing a-too a-loor-a-lie-o
So walk these hills lightly, and watch who you're lovin'
By mother the mountain
I swear that it's true
And love not a woman with hair black as midnight
And a dress made of satin
All shimmering blue."

 

[BadBoy377]

Do you want to get clean?

 

[4DQSAR]

CC NITAZENES

Always bear in mind that the term 'nitazene' refers to a class of compound, not a specific chemical.

The prototype, etonitazine is on the 1961 UNODC list of controlled chemicals. But etonitazene was illicitly produced in Russia in the 1990s and was extremely popular. Users ended up having to mix it into hand-rolled cigarettes as all other ROAs rapidly produced often fatal ODs. Not a surprise as etonitazene is some x1500 M (in analgesic action) in animal models.

I don't think any of the nitazene-class drug turning up in the UK are etonitazine and in fact the majority are not even listed in the original Ciba research papers from the 1960s. I'm in no way saing etonitazene is a good drug, only that based on limited data, it was considered a euphoric but dangerous opioid that WAS produced in small quantites for certain types of research.

But the nitazenes we encounter are mostly novel so we have no way of knowing what the true risks are.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Do you want to get clean?

Cause I do, you know Heroin addiction if I remember correctly & should be well aware it's NOT a simple binary choice when you got so many years hooked on Smack.

Of all the other drugs I have done & even when I fell in love with MDPV I could take them or leave them, Heroin is in a league unto itself.
Heroin addiction for 49% of your life isn't going to be an easy thing to get over.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

I don't think any of the nitazene-class drug turning up in the UK are etonitazine

It sure is, the Methadone clinic got a huge poster up about Manchester, it's turned up in Crack over the last few weeks & people have died from it.
What smoking that stuff alongside Crack would feel like is beyond me but people have fallen down dead in the last few weeks, feel free to look it up.

 

[BadBoy377]

@Zopiclone bandit Mate, I totally understand and agree with everything you say there.

I totally support your choice. If there is anything I can do to help you just reach out.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

Shit hit the fan today, I think I have kinda fucked myself here!!!!!

Was at the Methadone clinic / Drug Rehab building for a check up with the quack & my worker etc, they pissed me & it was dirty & my worker had a few words with me about it, she quoted me own fucking words back to me which had made an impression upon her for some reason but when I got my 1st script I told her as it is & being a little articulate for a Junkie I made an impression on her, well I am not one of these fucking baghead idiots who look like their parents had sex with a Potato shall we say.

I got a good Stoic roasting, the damn worker had even Google searched who Marcus Aurelius was after we had a chat a few weeks ago & she roasted me, for once my mouth didn't have a reply & I had no fucking ability to roast the woman with Logic & be a smart-arse with her.

I was given harsh TRUTH & had to sit there & swallow it, long story cut short I got a blue script now for Espranor & NO METHADONE, it was part my own choosing but I was stuck & trapped in a corner with nowhere to go, do I really wanna get clean OR do I just wanna fuck about still was the option in front of me.

Sitting here now with a green & the fucking blue script too, those who know will understand what the blue one is for if I also have a green one

I can feel the gear from yesterday with added meth leaking out of me already, I got the yawn on for the last 2 hours, the cold shock up the spine like an electronic shock etc so I am starting to get sick as I type this.


I got 2mg X 3 for today & then 2mg X25 & then 8mg X14, I am shitting myself, I cannot bullshit this anymore, Methadone is GONE & I now have to face myself in all the Horror of a naked junkie alone with their actions & behaviour.

It's Espranor or NOTHING & that means.......well it's not going to be a nice sight to say the least.

"She tells me she comes from my mother the mountain
Her skin fits her tightly
And her lips do not lie
She silently slips from her throat a medallion
Slowly she twirls it
In front of my eyes
Sing a-too a-loor-a-lie-o
I watch her, I love her, I long for to touch her
The satin she's wearin'
Is shimmering blue
Outside my window her ladies are sleeping
My dogs a gone hunting
The howling is through
Sing a-too a-loor-a-lie-o
So I reach for her hand and her eyes turn to poison
And her hair turns to splinters,
And her flesh turns to brine
She leaps across the room, she stands in the window
And screams that my first-born
Will surely be blind
Sing a-too a-loor-a-lie-o
Then she throws herself out to the black of the nightfall
She's parted her lips
But she makes not a sound
I fly down the stairway, and I run to the garden
No trace of my true love
Is there to be found
Sing a-too a-loor-a-lie-o
So walk these hills lightly, and watch who you're lovin'
By mother the mountain
I swear that it's true
And love not a woman with hair black as midnight
And a dress made of satin
All shimmering blue."

Wow, what can I say? If this is what you want then do your very best. It's definitely out of the blue. Have you really considered this?

I've done a bupe rattle and while it seemed to take ages, I was still able to get out of bed. Never had to switch from methadone though, which I imagine is hard.

 

[4DQSAR]

@Zopiclone bandit - do HR agency still hand out those Lifeline Publication cartoon booklets? When LP folded, Michael (Linnell) who produced them set up Linnell Communications so they are still available and to the best of my knoowledge are still free:

https://michaellinnell.org.uk/about.html

I still quite often get instrumental data off Michael asking 'what is this'?

So we ARE working on a booklet on the nitazenes. This is where trip reports could really be of huge value. Some are x3 M in potency, one is x6000 M in potency, but vendors often don't quite know and long ago we concluded one reason Ciba didn't develop them for human (or even just more widespread animal) usage is their unreliable pharmokinetics. Take the same dose of the same nitazene for a week... OD on day 7.

Last time we had this was Palfium (dextromoramide). One day someone would crush up and shoot five peach Palfium and be fone, then next day only shoot thee and turn blue. That WAS known to Janssen but they lied about it. I found the original Janssen press release and it's a total lie. Oddly Janssen published an academic paper in the same year that WAS accurate. So who knows how on earth THAT happened?