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Great article man, I actually wanted to write about the same topic as well. It seems that the AKA isn't backing 7-OH like Save7OH.org or 7-Hope Alliance, but there's no doubt that they've done more for kratom legislation than any other organization. Although 7-OH may have some addiction issues, listing it as a schedule 1 substance is going to virtually halt any positive research on the substance. 7-OH may not be perfect, but shutting down any research that could make it safer or more effective is definitely not the way to go. I personally haven't reached out to the AKA about the issue, but I have written a few politicians thru Save7OH and 7-Hope Alliance. Hopefully logic and reason will trump the fearmongering behind the substance, but it's hard to stay positive with the DEAs track record.
 
Great article man, I actually wanted to write about the same topic as well. It seems that the AKA isn't backing 7-OH like Save7OH.org or 7-Hope Alliance, but there's no doubt that they've done more for kratom legislation than any other organization. Although 7-OH may have some addiction issues, listing it as a schedule 1 substance is going to virtually halt any positive research on the substance. 7-OH may not be perfect, but shutting down any research that could make it safer or more effective is definitely not the way to go. I personally haven't reached out to the AKA about the issue, but I have written a few politicians thru Save7OH and 7-Hope Alliance. Hopefully logic and reason will trump the fearmongering behind the substance, but it's hard to stay positive with the DEAs track record.
There is alot of potential in these chemicals even if they are addictive, just the fact that I have observed multiple people being completely stupid with 7-oh to the point any normal opioid of similar strength would have killed them, and all they got was some vomiting and weak knees. It hints at potential for drugs that, if not less addictive are at least safer.
 
Just to allow these chemicals to exist and scratch that itch that they forced upon us in the first place would be the right way to go. If we have drugs that are not killing people but are satisfying that addiction, that's progress.
These substances are saving lives vs having heroin then fentanyl then xylazine on the streets actually taking people out.

It's not ideal but it's for benefit of the greater good that we don't force people to indulge in riskier behavior.
 
"Just to allow these chemicals to exist and scratch that itch that they forced upon us in the first place would be the right way to go. If we have drugs that are not killing people but are satisfying that addiction, that's progress."

Why would "they" do that when in reality they control the supply, the "cure" and the prison system that profits off all of it?

Money talks, and bullshit walks.
 
There is alot of potential in these chemicals even if they are addictive, just the fact that I have observed multiple people being completely stupid with 7-oh to the point any normal opioid of similar strength would have killed them, and all they got was some vomiting and weak knees. It hints at potential for drugs that, if not less addictive are at least safer.
I am wanting to stop taking 7 oh, someone please tell me what to expect and how to do it with minimal discomfort because I have to work. Ive gotten down to 100 mg a day. I've only been taking it for about 4 months. I'm blown away that this is sold legally,I've never been an addict, but I have a serious medical condition and can't get pain medication that helps, this does but it's absolutely ruing my life because it's so expensive even though it helps a great deal. Please let me know how to lesaen the withdrawals, I've heard horror stories on tick tock. 😭🙏
 
I am wanting to stop taking 7 oh, someone please tell me what to expect and how to do it with minimal discomfort because I have to work. Ive gotten down to 100 mg a day. I've only been taking it for about 4 months. I'm blown away that this is sold legally,I've never been an addict, but I have a serious medical condition and can't get pain medication that helps, this does but it's absolutely ruing my life because it's so expensive even though it helps a great deal. Please let me know how to lesaen the withdrawals, I've heard horror stories on tick tock. 😭🙏
Hey, it is going to be ruff for a few days to a week or so likely. Really depressed, restless legs, no sleep etc. I would recommend possibly using standard leaf kratom to cut back slowly replacing doses with standard leaf. I would also look into mulungu extract its completely legal and a potent sedative and also a blood pressure medication much like clonidine which is commonly used help ease the pain of opiate withdrawal. It's a prescription drug in Brazil but legal everywhere else without prescription I'm not sure I'm supposed to share any direct sources for products on this website even if those products are legal but feel free to PM me. Also keep in mind that when you are in discomfort that is your body repairing itself and your nervous system going back to the way it was this is the reverse of an opiate high which is why you are experiencing the reverse of it's symptoms. So try to keep yourself as often as possible in mild but bearable withdrawal, and use things like ibuprofen, acetaminophen, black seed oil, mulungu extract, etc to prevent symptoms.
If you do this you should be able to get through it okay but due to the insomnia you will very likely end up having to take a solid two or three days off work in the beginning. You might not have to but you might after that you'll probably fall asleep due to exhaustion and once you wake up things will still be uncomfortable but not so bad. The first week is the worst by far day two is usually the worst.
Another useful medication to prevent suffering during opioid withdrawal is actually low dose DXM. DXM is commonly found in over the counter cough syrup and is often abused by teenagers to get high but if you take it in a dosage that is slightly higher than the standard dosage recommended on the bottle but lower than the dosage that gets you high say 60 to 80 mg going possibly up to 90 or 100 at most this will prevent a lot of pain and suffering because it's an nmda agonist which means that it is an anesthetic in addition it actually has moderate action at opiate receptors itself so it tickles your opiate system just enough to calm you down it also releases serotonin which in combination with the nmda stuff can do a lot to prevent depression. The only thing I would say about DXM is that you should be careful not to take it for very long because it can be habit forming and just as dangerous of an addiction, on the other hand if you can find memantine which can sometimes be located online that is another nmda agonist which is cleaner and safer on the brain it's currently a prescription drug to heal brain damage and protect against further brain damage used for Alzheimer's patients this stuff also does a great job reducing opioid withdrawal effects and I have used it myself to great success but it shouldn't be used at night or enlarged doses cuz it's powerfully stimulating. Sorry for the wall of text I hope that helps feel free to ask me any other questions I'll do my best to help.
 
I am wanting to stop taking 7 oh, someone please tell me what to expect and how to do it with minimal discomfort because I have to work. Ive gotten down to 100 mg a day. I've only been taking it for about 4 months. I'm blown away that this is sold legally,I've never been an addict, but I have a serious medical condition and can't get pain medication that helps, this does but it's absolutely ruing my life because it's so expensive even though it helps a great deal. Please let me know how to lesaen the withdrawals, I've heard horror stories on tick tock. 😭🙏
Also vitamins can be helpful like vit c I haven't tried but some say massive overdoses of vitamin c can mostly neutralize withdrawal entirely. Not sure but its cheap and safe even in megadoses so no issues in trying. Also it goes without saying but drink as much water as you feel comfortable with to stay hydrated, possible weed and definitely ginger for your tummy. I always chew some fresh ginger and swallow bits of it after its chewed up. And when the rls gets annoying go for a walk cause it helps. Also get some distractions, I watched all of redlettermedia on YouTube when I kicked cold in 2021 cause of covid bullshit delaying the delivery off my narcotic drugs so all I had was cbd weed and beers. Without those stupid videos I would have wanted to blow my own head off, but your withdrawal will not be near as bad as that especially if you can get some good comfort meds.
 
Hey, it is going to be ruff for a few days to a week or so likely. Really depressed, restless legs, no sleep etc. I would recommend possibly using standard leaf kratom to cut back slowly replacing doses with standard leaf. I would also look into mulungu extract its completely legal and a potent sedative and also a blood pressure medication much like clonidine which is commonly used help ease the pain of opiate withdrawal. It's a prescription drug in Brazil but legal everywhere else without prescription I'm not sure I'm supposed to share any direct sources for products on this website even if those products are legal but feel free to PM me. Also keep in mind that when you are in discomfort that is your body repairing itself and your nervous system going back to the way it was this is the reverse of an opiate high which is why you are experiencing the reverse of it's symptoms. So try to keep yourself as often as possible in mild but bearable withdrawal, and use things like ibuprofen, acetaminophen, black seed oil, mulungu extract, etc to prevent symptoms.
If you do this you should be able to get through it okay but due to the insomnia you will very likely end up having to take a solid two or three days off work in the beginning. You might not have to but you might after that you'll probably fall asleep due to exhaustion and once you wake up things will still be uncomfortable but not so bad. The first week is the worst by far day two is usually the worst.
Another useful medication to prevent suffering during opioid withdrawal is actually low dose DXM. DXM is commonly found in over the counter cough syrup and is often abused by teenagers to get high but if you take it in a dosage that is slightly higher than the standard dosage recommended on the bottle but lower than the dosage that gets you high say 60 to 80 mg going possibly up to 90 or 100 at most this will prevent a lot of pain and suffering because it's an nmda agonist which means that it is an anesthetic in addition it actually has moderate action at opiate receptors itself so it tickles your opiate system just enough to calm you down it also releases serotonin which in combination with the nmda stuff can do a lot to prevent depression. The only thing I would say about DXM is that you should be careful not to take it for very long because it can be habit forming and just as dangerous of an addiction, on the other hand if you can find memantine which can sometimes be located online that is another nmda agonist which is cleaner and safer on the brain it's currently a prescription drug to heal brain damage and protect against further brain damage used for Alzheimer's patients this stuff also does a great job reducing opioid withdrawal effects and I have used it myself to great success but it shouldn't be used at night or enlarged doses cuz it's powerfully stimulating. Sorry for the wall of text I hope that helps feel free to ask me any other questions I'll do my best to help.
I greatly appreciate your replying and your advice on how to get through this situation I've found myself in. I'm still in shock that this is legally available, I seriously had no idea what this product could do, it's the same as a prescription opioid. I have MS and yes it definitely helps with pain and my loss of energy, but given the opportunity I'd go back to how I was before I started taking this stuff. I feel so ashamed of myself for getting into this trap, I'm a 63 year old woman who has never been addicted to anything>......but yet here I am. I'm a widow and nobody knows what I'm going through, I'll be doing this alone 😭
 
I greatly appreciate your replying and your advice on how to get through this situation I've found myself in. I'm still in shock that this is legally available, I seriously had no idea what this product could do, it's the same as a prescription opioid. I have MS and yes it definitely helps with pain and my loss of energy, but given the opportunity I'd go back to how I was before I started taking this stuff. I feel so ashamed of myself for getting into this trap, I'm a 63 year old woman who has never been addicted to anything>......but yet here I am. I'm a widow and nobody knows what I'm going through, I'll be doing this alone 😭
Honey, you absolutely have nothing to be ashamed of, dont let those thoughts fester because you did nothing wrong. I have been prescribed and used opioids numerous times over the years to manage pain. While opioids can be used safely, and things like 7-ho are theoretically much safer when used correctly. You were the victim unethical lies and advertising, from what I have seen as someone who has gotten a lot of help from these exact types of chemicals over the course of my life. The way that these drugs were advertised was completely wrong. There was generally almost no discussion of the potential for addiction, and even if there was it was minimized to the point where people acted like it wasn't any worse than kratom. Not to mention these are not the kinds of chemicals that should be sold in brick and mortar stores rather than strange esoteric chemical website, because the average shopper at a brick and mortar has no way of knowing what they are getting themselves into.
If you think that it is not addictive, you have been told by people who you should supposedly be able to trust that it will not take over your life that it is a standard safe supplement like a 5-hour energy. Then you cant be blamed for consuming it in an unsustainable way and getting addicted. Its not 7-hos fault either anymore than fentanyl is at fault for deaths in the U.S. when it was also the only thing that could comfort my dear grandmother as she died. The people who deserve blame are the bastards that mislead you and many like you for profit, taking a chemical that is essentially a safer version of oxycodone and marketing it like asprin. Just as the fent epidemic is the fault of bad laws and evil cartels.

Anyways age has nothing to do with this. Sorry for the wall of text but I just want you to know that it could happen to anyone, and that somewhere out there in the world there is a young man who has helped people deal with these issues before and who has dealt with them himself who believes in you and will be sending you positive energy and prayers.
 
Like always with prohibition, it's not going to stop a large number of people using it. In fact it may make people turn to more traditional opioids since they'll be breaking the law anyway.

In places like California that are banning regular kratom too, I believe this will be more pronounced.
 
In places like California that are banning regular kratom too, I believe this will be more pronounced.
California as a whole has not banned regular kratom powder, though there are counties and cities in Southern California that have, such as San Diego and Orange County. There are statewide proposals to regulate it in certain ways, like child proof packaging , no sale to anyone under 21, limits on 7 oh content in powder. And I think that confiscations of 7 oh are happening in some areas. But overall, kratom is legal
 
California as a whole has not banned regular kratom powder, though there are counties and cities in Southern California that have, such as San Diego and Orange County. There are statewide proposals to regulate it in certain ways, like child proof packaging , no sale to anyone under 21, limits on 7 oh content in powder. And I think that confiscations of 7 oh are happening in some areas. But overall, kratom is legal
Thanks, I didn't know that.
 
California as a whole has not banned regular kratom powder, though there are counties and cities in Southern California that have, such as San Diego and Orange County. There are statewide proposals to regulate it in certain ways, like child proof packaging , no sale to anyone under 21, limits on 7 oh content in powder. And I think that confiscations of 7 oh are happening in some areas. But overall, kratom is legal
I might've read some fake news then, as I was reading that regular kratom would be banned in addition to 7oh products. Thanks for letting me know.
 
One of the smartest types of laws that some states did with regular leaf was made an over 18 law. That is sensible enough. We are all adults and we don’t need the government telling us what we can and cannot ingest.

I’ve never had 7-OH. Just regular Kratom leaf. I personally have no interest in it as lately I have been quite disgusted when I tallied up the amount of morphine I have taken over the last 40 years. I don’t need. 7-OH but some people may.

If this were the 1980s, none of the stuff would be available and Kratom leaf itself would’ve been considered a narcotic under the Reagan administration and outlawed. We are in a much different place here in 2025. And over 18 law would make sense and be fair to everybody.

And I have to say folks and I don’t care if I get guff for this, we live in the world where we have prying eyes. We have people looking to outlaw things. So when someone comes on a board like this and ask, how do I shoot up 7-OH what do you think would happen when those prying eyes land on those posts? I do believe in the freedom to discuss what we want, but we also know the rules of the world at this particular point. We have to be wise like an owl and sly like a fox. And that’s not always the case here at bluelight. We have to consider the current climate and how to do that wisely.

The FDA did their own study on plain leaf and found it pretty innocuous. That took the heat off the leaf until now. Leaf will probably be OK, but the 7-OH will probably be banned.
 
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I am so fucking glad i do not lice in America right now. Even with my pain i doubt i would get any morphine from a doctor down there. My ex lives in America sadly and cannot for the life of her get a opiate script from a doc. and because 7-oh is now banned in Cali or s going to be banned she s fucked bad. Wtf are you supposed to do? You cant even go and buy smack on the street anymore or real opiate pills because its all fentanyl ffs.

Fuck all the neoliberal bullshit that our pain management systems in the US and to a lesser extent so far in Canada. We arent quite as bad as the US yet but im sure its coming
 
I am so fucking glad i do not lice in America right now. Even with my pain i doubt i would get any morphine from a doctor down there. My ex lives in America sadly and cannot for the life of her get a opiate script from a doc. and because 7-oh is now banned in Cali or s going to be banned she s fucked bad. Wtf are you supposed to do? You cant even go and buy smack on the street anymore or real opiate pills because its all fentanyl ffs.

Fuck all the neoliberal bullshit that our pain management systems in the US and to a lesser extent so far in Canada. We arent quite as bad as the US yet but im sure its coming
Yeah its major bullshit of the highest degree
 
Yeah its major bullshit of the highest degree

Some people put foreword the theory that they are dong all this to push people to use fentanyl so they will all die. Cull the heard so to speak. The CIA did this in America with crack and the South Africans did this with Methaqualone in the Bantus (wait can i even use that word anymore?) during their war with their own people. So ya this wouldnt surprise me
 
Some people put foreword the theory that they are dong all this to push people to use fentanyl so they will all die. Cull the heard so to speak. The CIA did this in America with crack and the South Africans did this with Methaqualone in the Bantus (wait can i even use that word anymore?) during their war with their own people. So ya this wouldnt surprise me
I'm going to be honest, my country (usa) is fucked. We are comically uneducated and mostly seriously stupid, and we are barreling towards some shit most of these idiots dont understand. I actually agree somewhat with what your saying, but I also think that after the migrants are kicked out, the economy will be fucked up so they are planning to put homeless people in "work camps" to "clean up the streets". I think these idiots think they can replace the migrants with drugged up homeless slaves essentially. So I sorta think they want to do whatever to increase homelessness as well (for more potential slaves). We'll see, Im just throwing out my conspiracy theories now, I will also say these people (my people) are so fucking stupid that it almost certainly won't work, just another recession, doesn't mean shit to me, I bulk ordered my drugs years ago, I already like the taste of rice and beans. Ive seen it before, etc.
 
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