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Stimulants Underrated harm reduction method for all amphetamine users (adderall, vyvanse, meth, speed)

Allylbenzene

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This post is for anyone who regularly takes amphetamines (adderall, vyvanse, meth, speed) and wants to make things a bit more sustainable.

It turns out that amphetamines increase an enzyme called Carbonic anhydrase.
We report here that amines structurally related to amphetamine...such as amphetamine, methamphetamine, phentermine, mephentermine, and chlorphenteramine, potently activate several carbonic anhydrase isoforms involved in important physiological functions.
https://doi.org/10.1080/14756366.2017.1375485

So what does Carbonic anhydrase do?

Carbonic anhydrase catalyses a naturally occurring reaction, and simply speeds it up many fold in order to shuttle between the various forms of CO2 (be it CO2 in gaseous form, carbonic acid, or bicarbonate). In short, Carbonic anhydrase promotes the conversion of CO2 into bicarbonate (in tissues) or bicarbonate back into CO2 (in lungs).

CO2 is largely overlooked by modern medicine which calls it a "waste gas" yet it plays several crucial physiological roles which are outlined in the quote at the end of the post. The idea is that any interference with the enzymes that regulate CO2 are likely to have an undesirable disruptive influence, particularly if this interference occurs regularly (eg using an amphetamine-type substance daily).

Since amphetamine induces (increases) the activity of Carbonic anhydrase this will plausibly affect the regulation of CO2. If someone is taking adderall/vyvanse or speed/meth on a daily basis, the effect on CO2 regulation might become problematic. Using a Carbonic anhydrase inhibitor will help to mitigate this effect of amphetamine (which does the opposite: it activates the enzyme).

Examples of common carbonic anhydrase inhibitors: thiamine, aspirin, niacin.
(thiamine = vitamin B1, niacin = vitamin B3)

Here are some reasonably low dose ranges:
• For thiamine, 30-100mg max with a meal.
• For niacin make sure to keep the doses very low, around 50mg, with a meal.
• For aspirin, a very low dose of 10-50mg. If using aspirin over a long period of time it's recommended to combine it with a small amount of vitamin K2.
Aspirin rapidly breaks down into acetic acid (vinegar) and salicylic acid (which is found in many fruits).

On CO2's important physiological role. This provides some context on why it's inappropriate to interfere with the enzyme that regulates CO2 - and if this should occur then to at least mitigate it.
Considering the universal importance of carbon dioxide to life, the ways it interacts with all of the important substances that make up organisms, that it is involved closely with ATP synthesis and other “energy-related” processes, that it participates intimately in the regulation of water and ions, that it is therapeutic in a range of conditions including angina pectoris, hypoxia, epilepsy, inflammation, shock, lipid peroxidation, pneumonia, and asthma, I think we can at least conclude that it is a largely overlooked mediator between chemical energy and life processes. In many cases, its movements and reactions constitute the actual motive force that so many fantasy theories have failed to explain. In other situations, it fills out the context for understanding the energy-mediating actions of ATP, calcium, and hormones.
 
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Could you explain why this would be beneficial? Just in general, a better functioning body overall?
 
Could some one give me a TDLR on what exactly increased enzymes of this stuff would cause? Like I get that it effects CO2 balance, but so can holding your breath I'd think, so what exactly are the physical damages of having an increase in this enzyme is what I'm trying to ask I guess? Are you saying chronic use of stimulants can lead to things like epilepsy & pneumonia?

I'm pretty sure opioids lower respiratory rate & also affect how much oxygen gets to your brain, is it something similar to this but different?

Apigenen is definitely a compound in chamomile that is speculated to work on benzodiazepine receptors. So would benzos not also help to offset this or nah?
 
Could you explain why this would be beneficial? Just in general, a better functioning body overall?
Amphetamines inhibit Carbonic anhydrase which disrupts several important things. So it makes sense to counteract that by using something that induces (increases) Carbonic anhydrase.
 
apigenen is the alkaloid present in chamomile?

fascinating
Apigenin is a flavonoid found in many botanicals. Scopoletin is another flavonoid. These both have a range of pharmacological effects. Apigenin at GABA and scopoletin at dopamine, serotonin and adrenergic receptors.
 
Could some one give me a TDLR on what exactly increased enzymes of this stuff would cause?
Chronically increased Carbonic anhydrase activity will disrupt several fundamental life process (for more context see the quote at end of the original post).

Apigenin is definitely a compound in chamomile that is speculated to work on benzodiazepine receptors. So would benzos not also help to offset this or nah?
Amphetamines inhibit Carbonic anhydrase which disrupts several important things. To counteract that it makes sense to use something that induces (increases) Carbonic anhydrase.
 
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Chronically increased Carbonic anhydrase activity will disrupt several fundamental life process (for more context see the quote at end of the original post).


Amphetamines inhibit Carbonic anhydrase which disrupts several important things. To counteract that it makes sense to use something that induces (increases) Carbonic anhydrase.
I think I kinda get it now.

Ironically, I was peaking on 80mg of adderall when I read this post & for whatever reaSon, I had to read over it 100 times because I couldn't comprehend what I was reading for whatever reason. lol

Good to know though! Thanks for sharing!
 
I had to read over it 100 times because I couldn't comprehend what I was reading for whatever reason. lol

Sounds like me when I'm browsing forums after a ketamine binge:p
 
Sounds like me when I'm browsing forums after a ketamine binge:p
What i remember, which is blurry.
Trying
to adjust the font size and doing ;) shut-eye !
[the don t use internet or phones goes for many disso s] :ROFLMAO:

Any idea at what doses the increase becomes significant,
as in prescribed or more akin to recreational dose.
And am i correct the Meth, is about equal as regular Speed.

In effect, only hCA VB seems with 2.56 Amp vs 0.78 Meth.
Seems to really differ. If my numbering of the compound s is correct.
[table 2, if interpreted right] Assuming a higher nr.= less affinity.
 
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