🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2026 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

[Pfafffed]

Sleep paralysis sounds absolutely dreadful, phenethylo J.

I enjoyed a spot of mild 5-MeO-DMT the night before last, and it was very pleasant. The following day, I took my sweet spot 6.25mg of oral 5-MeO-MiPT, and I hit a +++. I'm generally down in eight hours, but I was down in twelve. Might have been a fluke, might have been due to some priming by the 5-MeO-DMT, and it might have been due to some other medications affecting my liver enzymes (even though I discontinued them three days prior. Damn long half lives.)

Whatever the case, it was a lovely time, and felt much more rich mentally, emotionally, and somatically than it had in years. I'll call that a win.

 

[Esperighanto]

Man there is such a huge pile of unexplored exotic lysergamides and tryptamines being offered commercially by one of the long time known research chemists on the clearnet. I feel like as a community we are sleeping on these. Can't say I've been doing my part

DMIA ("DMT-amide"), 4-AcO-TMT, 5-MeO-iPT, 5-MeO-sBT, 5-MeO-HiPT, 5-MeO-MALT, EBT, iPT
TNBOMe, Escaline-NBOMe,
L1A, L2A, LAE-32, LAMPA, LSM-775

to name a few tantalizing ones
It's pretty amazing how many chemicals they have on offer, must be a really skilled chemist

4-AcO-TMT I bet is active, the various novel tryptamines are almost certainly edging into the structure-activity-relationship area of sedative tryptamines if I were to hazard a guess but I'm excited for reports to come out. Escaline-NBOMe, allylescaline-NBOMe, and methallylescaline-NBOMe were all sampled by folks on Hyperlab 10-15 years ago and most experienced body load with nothing else, but they also could have just been poor responders to it, who knows. I'd love to know what L1A and L2A are molecularly, LAMPA, LSM-775, and LAE-32 are all well studied back to the 1950's but have very few subjective reports, I've spoken to people personally who have used LAE-32 and LSM-775 though and both were reported as being like a dull, sedative form of LSD. T-NBOMe, if my assumption is correct as being tryptamine-NBOMe gets mixed reports on being active or not.

I bet there are some gems in here, especially ___-TMT, 3,4,5-trisubstituted-NBOMes like escaline-NBOMe, more sedative tryptamines and more sedative lysergamides, but until more reports come through I am definitely not trying to test the majority of these without having watched them come out of the flask myself tbh.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I enjoyed a spot of mild 5-MeO-DMT the night before last, and it was very pleasant.

In what form? Smoked or insufflated? Never tried the stuff but I have some old HCI and I am scared to try it… probably won’t explore any new psychs till I move out of my current home, the risk of external obstructions is too great.

But yeah, does it not scare you? The Erowid reports on 5-meo-dmt make it sound like pure bliss or sheer terror.

 

[Blowmonkey]

The Erowid reports on 5-meo-dmt make it sound like pure bliss or sheer terror.

That's what it is tbh, it's either pure black anxiety heart racing madness or blissful nothingness white-out plus four territory material if you take enough. Snorting even tiny amounts hurts like shit, such a slam to your face for a tiny speck of dust. I just snorted a bunch of dmxe (why does it smell like rubber tires and gasoline so hard, oof) and feel pretty good, I think I'm gonna try ~15mg 5-meo-dmt mixed with ~40mg dmt right now and see what it does after not having tried any for over 20 years?

I remember some guy posting in pd that it was psychedelic crack, I thought that was extremely funny, iso240 said nonononono, don't post this, that's not harm reduction, but it's kinda very recognizable, especially after having been around crackheads now. My friend smoked it like crack on amt, hit after hit, he kept blasting himself into the void, no tolerance build-up almost, he just kept going, fucking funny.

 

[xdrc]

Had 10 mg of 2C-T-2 tonight. Less amazing than I expected it to be based on my earlier 8 mg experiment. Maybe it is the thio variability though. Could definitely increase the dose, 14 mg for the next time, 18 mg certainly seem doable now. Nice introspection and healthy self-criticism during the beginning, now mellowing out in a cozy feeling, still enjoying the improved music, not wanting it to end, while at the same time being tired. Definitely want to explore this one more, but so many drugs, so little time, right?

 

[Blowmonkey]

see what it does

Right, the dmt took over almost completely from the 5-meo-dmt, just a lot of mc escher kaleidoscopic visuals and feeling like liquid, not much introspection. Time went by pretty slow, thought 15 minutes was more like half an hour, probably because I had a song on a loop. Not a great combination, pretty much a waste of 5-meo-dmt, oh well. 20mg of dmxe was more mood uplifting than the dmt was, not sure how that stuff is ever supposed to be mind shattering, maybe the dosage is still too low, but I thought it would be a little more intense because of the combination, it wasn't. So far dmt hasn't really impressed me, pretty shallow compared to what dpt has done for me in the past.

 

[xdrc]

While yesterday's trip was good - not great - and I felt very refreshed, there was still a sense of something lacking. Against better judgement, I decided to ingest 36 mg of 2C-C today. I suspected this may not be the brightest of ideas, but on the other hand, it's only 2C-C, how bad can it be? It would also be pretty interesting to find out how much tolerance 2C-T-2 is building, right? Well, 2C-C is typically entirely devoid of any bodyload whatsoever for me. Not so this time. It disapproved heavily of tripping too often by giving me the hardest stomach cramps. Worse than I ever had on 2C-E, but fortunately without the cosmic weight (mentally, it was entirely unchallenging and tame, as always). I seriously considered bailing out by trying some ondansetron, but in the end let rightful punishment run its course. As for the tolerance? Not sure, maybe a bit less visuals, but what was lacking in twisting in the visual field certainly made up for it in the stomach Science, bitch!

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I seriously considered bailing out by trying some ondansetron

I have yet to try ondansetron with anything like a heavy dose of LSD. Use it sometimes on higher doses of 4-aco-dmt and it seems to help with cramps/nausea only slightly.

What are y'all's thoughts on Zofran? Does it really get all that gas to go away or at least stop hurting so badly? My doctor is entirely willing to renew my script for it whenever I need, so I have pretty much unlimited access to it now as long as I don't ask for it monthly.

 

[xdrc]

I have yet to try ondansetron with anything like a heavy dose of LSD. Use it sometimes on higher doses of 4-aco-dmt and it seems to help with cramps/nausea only slightly.

What are y'all's thoughts on Zofran? Does it really get all that gas to go away or at least stop hurting so badly? My doctor is entirely willing to renew my script for it whenever I need, so I have pretty much unlimited access to it now as long as I don't ask for it monthly.

It's not really a medication for cramps, only nausea. I haven't tried it at all yet or informed myself sufficiently, so it was certainly a good call not to use it willy-nilly without preparing for it.

 

[JackARoe]

Oddly enough I have some leftover hospice meds and ondansetron in the pack. I never thought any med would get rid of nausea beyond THC.

 

[Pfafffed]

In what form? Smoked or insufflated? Never tried the stuff but I have some old HCI and I am scared to try it… probably won’t explore any new psychs till I move out of my current home, the risk of external obstructions is too great.

Smoked. I've read several places that insufflation's extended come up increases the anxiety.

But yeah, does it not scare you? The Erowid reports on 5-meo-dmt make it sound like pure bliss or sheer terror.

As with anything, I think that the dose makes the poison. Higher levels of 5-MeO-DMT are confronting. I haven't enjoyed dalliances with that very much. I've been vaping exclusively at low doses.

I have yet to try ondansetron with anything like a heavy dose of LSD. Use it sometimes on higher doses of 4-aco-dmt and it seems to help with cramps/nausea only slightly.

What are y'all's thoughts on Zofran? Does it really get all that gas to go away or at least stop hurting so badly? My doctor is entirely willing to renew my script for it whenever I need, so I have pretty much unlimited access to it now as long as I don't ask for it monthly.

I've never heard of it for gas, only for nausea. I've stopped taking it with psychedelics. In what was probably a coincidence, all three times I've tried it with a psychedelic, that experience felt muted and bland. Given that it's a big commitment to take something like mescaline, I'd rather not take the chance that there might be some inexplicable personal interaction - I'll deal with the 2hrs of nausea just in case.

 

[Pfafffed]

Had 10 mg of 2C-T-2 tonight. Less amazing than I expected it to be based on my earlier 8 mg experiment. Maybe it is the thio variability though. Could definitely increase the dose, 14 mg for the next time, 18 mg certainly seem doable now. Nice introspection and healthy self-criticism during the beginning, now mellowing out in a cozy feeling, still enjoying the improved music, not wanting it to end, while at the same time being tired. Definitely want to explore this one more, but so many drugs, so little time, right?

I don't think the dosage-response curve is too too crazy with oral 2C-T-2. I'd say that it's just natural variance. Could have also been stomach contents or any number of other things. I can think of one drug where each of the next three titrations up in dose were less intense than the one prior. Psychedelics can just be chaotic. 14mg sounds fine, as does 18, but expect side effects to be worse at that dose. I think it's a wonderful psychedelic.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

You never do get used to sleep paralysis.

 

[xdrc]

4mg sounds fine, as does 18, but expect side effects to be worse at that dose. I think it's a wonderful psychedelic.

Funnily enough the 2C-T-2 was devoid of bodyload this time, unlike the first experiment. I might consider rectal administration though, you made it sound worthwhile. But first give it some more time, don't want to be 2C-slapped again!

 

[perpetualdawn]

But yeah, does it not scare you? The Erowid reports on 5-meo-dmt make it sound like pure bliss or sheer terror.

The Erowid reports are skewed towards making 5-MeO-DMT sound much much scarier than it is. 5-MeO-DMT is really powerful, specific, and unique, but I don't think there's anything inherently terrifying about it, any more than a strong trip on other drugs. It's less recreational, more insightful and deep than your typical 4-sub tryptamine, it can tunnel right to the core. I wouldn't imagine that there's anything to worry about for most seasoned trippers on this board who have navigated diverse psychedelic headspaces at high doses.

One caveat is that it does make my heart pound hard during the comeup, I can imagine that could be iffy for people with a heart condition.

You never do get used to sleep paralysis.

True

 

[swilow]

Greetings pd folks. It's been a while. How is everyone?

 

[swilow]

Post presentation malaise kicking in. Had to do a very intense bout of public speaking earlier today, large group of judgemental crazies staring blankly at me while I babbled about AI in libraries and tried to not fall asleep at the podium. I hate public speaking and you wouldn't think it'd be such a requirement as a librarian but 'tis.

Always feel super euphoric after these sort of events and then a sort of deflatd comedown kicks in. Meh.

 

[CavernsoftheMind]

The ALEPH-1 chapter in PiHKAL never fails to make me laugh.
Do any of you remember it?

"Man on sack - Act of Power - but the act is not told, or it then would be only a Tale of Power. Or at best, a Tale of an Act of Power. An Act cannot be saved, relived - only the Tale persists. The act is past."

 

[arrall]

The ALEPH-1 chapter in PiHKAL never fails to make me laugh.
Do any of you remember it?

"Man on sack - Act of Power - but the act is not told, or it then would be only a Tale of Power. Or at best, a Tale of an Act of Power. An Act cannot be saved, relived - only the Tale persists. The act is past."

I do indeed.
I have been on a (thus far unsuccessful) mission to obtain an Aleph compound since I first read PiHKaL many, many years ago.

 

[Pfafffed]

Funnily enough the 2C-T-2 was devoid of bodyload this time, unlike the first experiment. I might consider rectal administration though, you made it sound worthwhile. But first give it some more time, don't want to be 2C-slapped again!

I prefer it. I don't think I'll take it orally again. That said, the onset rectally is fast, so that's not the way to go if you want to ease into it