Benzos The Benzodiazepine MEGA THREAD - Direct Benzo Questions Here v2.0

[inkweblink]

Have you ever tried phenazepam or baclosan?

 

[kleinerkiffer]

Have you ever tried phenazepam or baclosan?

We have a whole megathread dedicated to phenazepam http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/516821-Phenazepam-MegaThread
And baclofen (can't find it right now, just use the search engine)

 

[Boiling in Acid]

I'm surprised I've never had a seizure, then.

I've taken 20-30mg of xanax and klonopin at once for days at a time, then I'd stop.

I've even taken 3-15mg of klonopin a day (varied, everyday - usually took more than 3 a day) for about 2-3 months and quit cold turkey, was fine.

I wonder why...

I'm the same with codeine. used tyo take 600mg every morning for months & never had a WD, though it's not the case with other opiates...

 

[pharaoh]

I have two questions, both probably asked many times.

1) What are some good ways to potentiate diazepam?
2) How long does tolerance kick in - in other words, how long will one 10mg tablet do the trick for me when I need to kill my anxiety?

 

[Sol Andre Raz Somoza]

I've been benzo for 15 years no tolerance with opiods and some 2.5 olanzapine for sleep .. the only problem is constipation and memory issue but it's better than marijuana you forget everything .. benzo is better that alcohol and meth .. the anti anxiety never lose its efficasey .. first world problem with the third world hustle .. moon shines alcohol cocaine back in the days benzo is a medication treat it with respect

 

[slightly dazed]

^Not necessairilly. I mean I don't want to sound like a fear monger but it is possible to develop withdrawals after just a few days of heavy use. I knew this one kid who took something like 20-30 xanax bars over the course of two days, and after three days had a seizure-now of course those dosages are beyond insane, especially considering he had no tolerance either, but it is possible.

Agreed . Long term poly drug user . And as benzos go nitrazepam is probably an a+ but with prolonged use *2 months approx a swap to diazepam which had a much longer half life to negate any uncomfortable withdrawal plus tends to help with rebound insomnia
I personally often take 20mg of NTP and find it both pleasant and amnesia inducing . I often have memory issues so take note young blue lighters , any compound that effects the memory centres of the brain .ergo very likely to cause in future memory issues. Benzos are a once in a while good weekend
Try thinking you're in control after a few weeks and boy have you got some uncomfortable nights ahead .
Still between diazepam and nitrazepam I'd probably go for Diaz.

 

[slightly dazed]

I have two questions, both probably asked many times.

1) What are some good ways to potentiate diazepam?
2) How long does tolerance kick in - in other words, how long will one 10mg tablet do the trick for me when I need to kill my anxiety?

Grapefruit juice . Yes it actually works there are many people smarter than me who can confirm it in minute details . But I will answer with many years of experience.
Alcoho,l potentiates all Z drugs (yes zopiclone and zolpidiem)-BUT_ the problem is moggy's or notrazepam can take up to 90 min to hit you esp if you are drinking while you wait , then they hit and they are good once you correctly dose es evertone is different , dint sniff em or jag em its just a waste the most dangerous thing in my experience is before you kbow it you are wasted ans start makeing one poor decision after the next to kill anxiety quickly a 10 mg propranolol then 5 or 10 ml of diazeepam then add to with a smoke or another pill . Half at a time spaces out and take note your body will let you know if you are overdoing it unlessbits on you so fast you don't realise. Here be dragons and danger .
Hope this helps anyone else need honest opinions based on 30 odd years of poly (multi) drug use with zero convictions a long term job and no addictions for a while now . I've done everything except crystal meth and pcp which are very hard to get here . Cheers LADS N LASSES.

 

[JackARoe]

Hey quick question on therapeutic use. Last year I found bottles of my mothers diazepam when she died. I needed a few as I helped her pass. I took it at most twice a week for a month.

A year later, my father is on in home hospice as me as a caregiver. I was very sporadic the last year. Once or twice a month. 10 -15 mgs at a time, and only once a day. Now my father is actively dying and I have the shakes. Took some last thurs (10 mgs) another `15 mgs when I got him home and settled on Saturday. And today again as he heads into the active dying phase. (10 mgs) My nerves are shot. I dislike benzos. They take away from life. But when watching someone die you want a buffer for sure. But someone tell me a few times a week for a week or two is not bad. It beats the shakes that I have. But I always thought this class of drugs was worse than stated. They say no more than two weeks daily, to me that is excessive. I can also say when I take my one therapeutic dose I sleep good for a few days. I never want to come close to benzo withdrawal and never have. I can count on one hand the times I did it two days in a row and it was only 5 mgs.

@DeathIndustrial88 helped me last year (thanks man!!) and said it is healthier to take a benzo than to suffer through bad anxiety and shakes as that is not healthy either. And with that am utilizing what I can. So at most 6-7 times a month the last month. Low doses. 5-10 mgs.

I can not wait till my nerves are better. I really don't want to need these and am glad I saved them for this time period.

LOL I read a few posts on much heavier uses with no issues. I may have to delete this over cautious silly question.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

But someone tell me a few times a week for a week or two is not bad

It's not bad.
You should be fine a few times a week.

I've used klonopin off and on for well over 15 years now. Some times I need to take it every day for days at a time.
And other than the occassional rebound panic attack, I have absolutely never noticed any sort of "withdrawal" when I stop.
I'm just an anomaly though. I know my mom had it pretty bad whenever she would have to WD off of her klonopin.
And benzo withdrawal can be deadly & cause seizures & such.


So I don't doubt in my mind for a second that benzos can cause withdrawal. I just think it gets over-stated & over-hyped by the media & by people who abuse huge amounts on the daily.
I take what I need for anxiety/sleep & move on with my day, so maybe that's why I've never had any severe withdrawal issue.
I also dislike benzos. They make me feel flat, bored & sedated in a way that's not enjoyable most of the time. Some times they're alright though.

But yeah, there's not much danger in using a benzo a few times a week.
I know people on Z drugs (sleeping pills that work on the same receptors as benzos) and they take them off & on & don't have many problems either.

So everyone is different.

My condolences about your parents though.

 

[JackARoe]

My condolences about your parents though.

Thanks, it was one right after the other. Now my father who was fighting death at 92 is seeing what nature can do if you resist. He is heading toward death. So I have anxiety now. Just trying to be super careful. The good thing is I never experienced rebound anxiety. If I have anxiety that is one thing. Occasional use of a benzo doesn't give that to me.

Also I see people in threads take ungodly amounts for a long time before they got addicted. I can't wait to not need them at all and get a good trip in out in nature instead of being on call. Soon enough!

 

[pcplease]

I am so sorry to hear and hope the medicine helps. It's not entirely but is what it's for. Have you ever use Kava Kava? If quality root (or instant powder) it works extremely well as an anxiolytic and sedative, reverse tolerance.

Not comparing the two- i have benzos for when someone passes myself. Just in case info, I guess.

 

[slightly dazed]

Hey quick question on therapeutic use. Last year I found bottles of my mothers diazepam when she died. I needed a few as I helped her pass. I took it at most twice a week for a month.

A year later, my father is on in home hospice as me as a caregiver. I was very sporadic the last year. Once or twice a month. 10 -15 mgs at a time, and only once a day. Now my father is actively dying and I have the shakes. Took some last thurs (10 mgs) another `15 mgs when I got him home and settled on Saturday. And today again as he heads into the active dying phase. (10 mgs) My nerves are shot. I dislike benzos. They take away from life. But when watching someone die you want a buffer for sure. But someone tell me a few times a week for a week or two is not bad. It beats the shakes that I have. But I always thought this class of drugs was worse than stated. They say no more than two weeks daily, to me that is excessive. I can also say when I take my one therapeutic dose I sleep good for a few days. I never want to come close to benzo withdrawal and never have. I can count on one hand the times I did it two days in a row and it was only 5 mgs.

@DeathIndustrial88 helped me last year (thanks man!!) and said it is healthier to take a benzo than to suffer through bad anxiety and shakes as that is not healthy either. And with that am utilizing what I can. So at most 6-7 times a month the last month. Low doses. 5-10 mgs.

I can not wait till my nerves are better. I really don't want to need these and am glad I saved them for this time period.

LOL I read a few posts on much heavier uses with no issues. I may have to delete this over cautious silly question.

Im a Long time user of benzos I swap them around depending on my needs and state of mind at the time .
I'm my opinion if you just require not to feel the dread and or sadness then a therapeutic dose for me (using diaz) is 10 to 15 mg per day spaced out as needs must
That's my schedule . But if I want a day of "fun" or a very relaxing night I may take a quick acting short half life bnz too this is NOT advice as poly drug use especially with Z drugs its a door you do not want to open (take that as fact) I'm in now for going on 30 years and am only able to still think and act coherently because my watch word is moderation . Moderation in all things from fighting to f***ING from booze to pills .
But as a final note I will say this openly and honestly if I hadn't started benzos (originally for insomnia due to ecstasy and speed ) I would have ended myself with the hard stuff years ago deliberately or not .
But ...bnz are very serious so if you intend to start be prepared that your body and mind may never alow you to cease. Have a blessed and safe life mate.

 

[JackARoe]

Im a Long time user of benzos I swap them around depending on my needs and state of mind at the time .

Well I have to say in this period of anxiety and stress is at the worst ever which may not ever be this bad again (unless wife dies and fights death too) Lately, last 3 weeks my heavy usage is 15 mgs of diazepam 3 time a week. Then the next week gabapentin 3 times a week. Switch up comfort drugs. Not really heavy, I dislike benzos. They take away the sparkle from life. l Not good for concerts, jut chilling and relaxing at home after some high stress bullshit period. If it takes away from life, some stressful bullshit period may need some of its sparkles dulled though,

I actually have diazepam and lorazepam. The last two weeks averaged 5 times but I am almost through this period. Normal doses, 10-15 mgs. Not a lot. My own doc came through knowing my situations.

Honestly, I think the use I am describing during grief and stress is about as careful and as therapeutic as it gets. 2 weeks every day is too much. But sporadic is ok. I really wish I did not have to use anything today, but woke up to my father in terminal agitation screaming my name saying he has to go home or go somewhere. I drugged the hell out of him as his caregiver. 20 mgs of morphine, 1.5 or lorazepam and his nightly 10 mgs of diazepam. All pills were dissolved in a sryinge and squirted in my fathers mouth. Good thing he reached a state where he is sleeping 23 hours a day and is bedbound. Heart failure at 92 to keep facts correct. But he lingered too iong, so I trying my hippy ideals for comfort but all has fallen on ears. Almost....

Funny how my parents got on my shit for knowing about drugs all my life. Then at the end of their life they counted on my knowledge to keep them comfortable. Nothing wrong with knowing about drugs.

 

[pnillyg]

I take either 10-20mg diazepam a day, 1mg Clonazepam, or 1mg Xanax. How do I taper this. I’m also on tons of other meds. Any advice?

 

[PtahTek]

How do I taper this

I would start by a quarter of a drop in dose of any of the meds. Give it a few days to a week, assess how you feel and adjust dosage as needed.
Is there a need to get off these meds? Are they legit pharm prescriptions? How long ya been on these?
These doses aren't that high in my opinion but other factors may make this a little more difficult to hash out.
I would definitely try to hold the diazepam for last if you have to wean off.
Best wishes.

 

[slightly dazed]

I would start by a quarter of a drop in dose of any of the meds. Give it a few days to a week, assess how you feel and adjust dosage as needed.
Is there a need to get off these meds? Are they legit pharm prescriptions? How long ya been on these?
These doses aren't that high in my opinion but other factors may make this a little more difficult to hash out.
I would definitely try to hold the diazepam for last if you have to wean off.
Best wishes.

Depends on how old you are if I get to day 65/70 you best believe ahll be on Z drugs right to my last breath
But if you're under 40 definitely not you have far too much time left for things to change in ways nobody can forsee . If you want old age to be comfortable then yes . But they make you lazy and they keep you bound to wherever you may reside as you can't let them run out or things become real uncomfortable real soon .
There fantastic to get over /get through an emotional storm . Or a few weeks of insomnia I value my thinking too much these days and even still . I turn to Z when I need stabilised emotionally. As for folks been on them for years at high doses ? I'd try to bring down my tolerance to as low as comfortable and still able to function . Then take a breadth and think about the next stage of coming of ...I've done I 2 times 2nd time was a little easier as I had more information on what was going on medicaly.

 

[Blowmonkey]

Is it possible for a person to have a natural tolerance to benzodiazepines, but not necessarily other GABA agonists/modulators?

I aks because the first time I took any benzos, I ended up on a small binge of 8mg Clonazepam and 2mg Xanax, obviously overslept massively for work and was still pretty hazy until like 4 days later. However I do not feel like I experienced a hugely subjective effect during, obviously my judgement was impaired and I was chasing some euphoria but I experienced no memory loss and it was really just like being a little drunk.

About a week later I ended up taking about 70mg Valium over the course of the day, unwisely combined it with some stimulants and also a small amount of alcohol but thankfully did not die and did not experience significant aftereffects except perhaps a slight grogginess the very next day.

I have been very sparingly experimenting with Alprazolam recently but although I see recommended dosages around 0.5mg-1mg to start, I can pretty confidently say I don't feel anything below 2mg.

Is my experience abnormal or within a normal range of variation in natural tolerance? I do not have a tolerance to any other GABAergic substances, again.

My first time taking benzo's I took 60 mg of diazepam and had no idea what the deal was, I thought they were bunk when it was prescribed by a doctor, they were definitely real. I had the same experience with weed and amphetamines actually, no discernable effects the first times around. I chalked it up to my autism, not being familiar with the effects. I do have a good tolerance for benzo's, but can feel as little as 2.5mg of diazepam taking effect as well now. It could however be a natural tolerance to benzodiazepines as everyone's different.

I agree with the OP, don't go cold turkey on benzo's if you've done them for a period longer than 2 weeks every day. I just did and stepped off from a pretty high dose and it was the worst withdrawals I've ever felt. My heartrate has only just gone down a bit, it was 3 weeks of >150bpm every morning until it subsided only hours and hours later. The first days I was literally shaking from constant stress and panic attacks, it's the reason I took them, also for sleep which has naturally suffered as well.

I've been great with benzo's in the past, 2 weeks tops and I never had a problem. Last year was almost a full year on benzo's, did an accelerated Ashton manual taper and only had to deal with a little more anxiety, irritability and sleep issues in retrospect, it made me smoke a lot more weed during cessation though. This time around I stepped off from a high dose after half a year of benzo usage every day, my last dose was ~25mg of bromonordiazepam, some norflurazepam, ~10mg of etizolam and 10mg of diazepam, it didn't knock me out anymore, it should have. Had to take a benadryl and drink booze to knock myself out after 2 days of mania, didn't even occur to me it was a bad idea to mix all that as I wasn't feeling much.

I've been taking nearly the same supplement regimen I took when I did the taper, but to almost no effect. Maybe it helps a little, but it doesn't feel like it does much now. I should write it down so other people could benefit from it during a taper, even if it's just to lie to yourself and calm your nerves somewhat, who knows. There seems to be scientific literature backing up all the different things I took though, so there's that. L-theanine, Agmatine sulfate, Magnesium L-threonate, Inositol, Taurine and Glycine. Got it from this site when I was researching how to withdraw safely and without issues last year. I was like whatever, let's just buy a bunch of supplements and see what it does, maybe it even saved me from certain death this time around, no idea.

I've made a whole list of valuable substances that could be beneficial during a taper to curb the withdrawals, but I mostly stuck to the supplements. Anti-histamines like Benadryl or Hydroxyzine, Gabapentin (or other calcium channel blockers like pregabalin), CBD and Melatonin were also in my direct vicinity so those were added to the list. Wanted to try the peptide Selank as well, but never acquired it, so I cannot make any observations about that. Supposed to work really well for bzd withdrawals, apparently it has no physical withdrawal syndrome on its own upon cessation, very interesting. Benadryl helped me get sleepier, Gabapentin curbs some withdrawals, Melatonin did nothing as usual, CBD wasn't noticeable at all either, similar to the other supplements.

There's other substances that could also alleviate symptoms of bzd withdrawals, Progesterone, Clonidine, Passiflora incarnata extracts, and probably many more that I'm forgetting right now, but I haven't tried any of them. Not intending to any time either now, I don't want to get hooked on benzo's anymore. Just don't do it.

 

[PtahTek]

they keep you bound to wherever you may reside as you can't let them run out or things become real uncomfortable real soon

I've actually thought about this a few times as taking flight would cause a possible issue but confident if it came to it I could figure a way to move some powder. However, not planning on any trips that must be taken by air travel any time soon.

I also brought my dose back down to a considerably less dangerous level just in case I did have to stop suddenly. Still tapering down and am close to my original dose of 2 doses of .25mg twelve hours apart. Am at .7mg from a daily dose of 4 to 8mg for about a year while working. Some would argue that short acting bnzs cannot be tapered off successfully. I would beg to differ. It just takes longer, smaller drops in dosage and possibly longer periods of time between titrations. Just anecdotal as it is my experience so far.

Rambling now so will leave off.

Man I love benzos always have don't have to feel shit if ya don't want to. That back swing is a bitch, though, and ain't trying to feel that.

 

[Loquacious]

What is the safest dose of norflurazepam to jump off. I found out I can go around 3 days without anything. Should I dose daily or start skipping doses? I feel like I’m almost stable on 2.5ish mg sometimes 5. But I’m running out of nfpam and can’t get more. So I dissolved pills in vg at 2.5mg/ml. I hope I can jump off before the end of the year as that’s when I’m completely out of benzos. (Besides a lost baggy in my room with 30 bromonordiazepam tablets…)

I sleep way too much, don’t even feel the benzos (or anything really, Dex doesn’t work, booze doesn’t do anything)

I’m sick off constantly taking benzos, Rx stims etc. But scared to jump off because I abused this shit since 2020.

 

[Blowmonkey]

What is the safest dose of norflurazepam to jump off. I found out I can go around 3 days without anything. Should I dose daily or start skipping doses? I feel like I’m almost stable on 2.5ish mg sometimes 5. But I’m running out of nfpam and can’t get more. So I dissolved pills in vg at 2.5mg/ml. I hope I can jump off before the end of the year as that’s when I’m completely out of benzos. (Besides a lost baggy in my room with 30 bromonordiazepam tablets…)

I sleep way too much, don’t even feel the benzos (or anything really, Dex doesn’t work, booze doesn’t do anything)

I’m sick off constantly taking benzos, Rx stims etc. But scared to jump off because I abused this shit since 2020.

5mg is about equivalent to 10mg diazepam, if you want to step off of it I'd half it again. If you can go 3 days without that's good, I'd keep that up instead of daily dosing. I did this with the valium, went to 2.5mg daily at first and then tried going without. Noticed that it took 5 days for me to begin feeling withdrawals on valium, stretched that for a few weeks and then dropped it all together. The bromonordiazepam will also take 3 days give or take, in case you find them again, it's perhaps a little better to step off from than norflurazepam, hits less receptors ime.