Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy Favorite DOx Thread: One for the history books!

[SpiralusSancti]

Evidence? Who you are trying to prosecute? lol

Of many epithets, I wouldn’t use private for Shulgin.

You’re a long time on this site so you should know RC scene was a lot different before. Not only that it was a lot different 10 years ago than it’s now it was also a lot different 20 years from now and even more so at beginning and before internet and than before analogue laws in USA and in some other places.

I don’t go back so far when RCs were created only by pockets of people WW for their own and their friends exploration, and you can be sure that after Shulgins books each and every substance sounding remotely good was tested by many, over many years. Many is a relative term as even now real RC community is tiny. Huge amounts of RCs are sold as something else to final user of whom many wouldn’t buy it on purpose. Huge amounts are mixed in to hard drugs to make them more potent and addictive (all “heroin” in USA is great example). Huge amounts are consumed by people who can’t get “real drugs”, that’s especially case with synthetic cannabinoids and homeless population and/or kids. Most of RCs pushed nowdays, in volumen, are addictive stuff that’s replacement for some illegal addictive drug, that isn’t in the spirit of early RC scene at all. Why would we need 100 diazepam replacements as it isn’t smart to take even diazepam, why would we need 100 heroin replacements cuz it’s a treat for once in while anyway, why would we need 100 crack replacements cuz it’s fiendish enough? You see not too long ago most thought why would we need 100 K replacements cuz K is good/bad enough as it is? (answer to last one is given by one site member but how much true is it in it and how much self-delusion I’m not the one to judge nor have solid stance about it)

Having experienced time when nasty RCs were just starting to occur in big amounts. I’m not sure if you know this, but before phenazepam there was not so many lives destroyed in this waters by benzos and I bet you most of the same people were getting powder alprazolam and diazepam by grams before.

I’ll continue writing this..

 

[SpiralusSancti]

People in RC scene were a lot more focused on psychedelics, in fact vast majority of people were like that. I would say there was always certain distinction in hippy groups, psychonauts, counter-cultures call them as you wish in what I would say are 3 separate stances (you can see this both irl and online), one are “I take natural stuff only”, other stick to well know substances and third dab in into everything, including obscure and novel substances. Even tho in third group there were always people saying things like that they can handle heroin or meth or whatever without getting addicted to it or without causing themselves more damage than average person who drinks sometimes. But same people were mostly focused on psychedelics when it RC were in question, for both clear safety reasons and for and for ratio of what you can gain or loose by using psychedelics compared to let’s say stimulants. My country was lagging a bit behind when riding on RC train (but most countries were compared to USA and UK) but small groups that were taking RC were all taking RC psychedelics without exception, almost none were into stimulants. Hell, even people taking meth (and where I am they are rarity) I met (and as they were confined to small location I met quite a few) were against idea of taking totally unresearched, chemicals often sub-par compare to trio of amph, metamph and coke. But than “meow-meow” other “bath salts” hit the quite open market (following “spice”) and suddenly a lot of people find it cool to take legal drugs, quite cheap and reliable compared to what most people were getting on the black market. And those were totally different people than those who knew for RCs long before and used them, tho many jumped on stimulant train but unlike most people who were getting “happy pills” with unknown content those were getting exactly what they wanted. But as mephedrone wave was hitting UK hard and flow of Indian and China K slowing down, that opened a whole new market. Suddenly RC opiates, benzos and dissos too were a thing. And getting small amount of those was easier than it was not long ago to get RC psychedelics and for some time noids and stimulants too. But a huge change started, suddenly vendors of only psychedelics became far and between and lacking that specialization very rare substances became even more rare. Suddenly you had more chance getting aleph-2 on black market piggy-backing with LSD, DMT or some classic than getting custom synth for you and friends as for one simple reason – profit. Both big and small labs were rather focused on satisfying seemingly endless market thirst for “bath salts” and “spices” with rising stars in benzo, opiate and disso division instead of bringing obscure psychedelics they previously needed to get to a good spot.

This story has no point or a punch-line and might be figment of my imagination that o so beautifully, thanks heavens, still runs in the family..

 

[LSDiesel]

I agree with most of your points. My diamond in the rough was and possibly still is 5-MAPB. I just so happened to be paying attention to a lot of early trip reports that made it seem like a wonderful empathogen. I had experienced MDMA and MDA in college and had difficulty sourcing it outside of college and had run into a lot of bath salt cathinones being sold as MDMA, but 5-MAPB sure was special. No other material I found was able to produce such a similar beautiful overflow of euphoria for 7 straight hours followed by a whole 2 days of afterglow that was enhanced merely by smoking weed, it would feel like one was rolling again. So if you had plenty of joints or blunts all weekend it could feel like you were rolling for 3 days off a dose that was twice as potent as MDMA. 50mg got you where 100mg of MDMA would. I haven’t felt anything that compares to the empathy of it except for MDMA or possibly Mescaline. Even 2CB doesn’t quite get there but feels much lighter on the body.
Comparatively 6-APB would make for a good MDA like roll but without the 2 day afterglow instead my body wanted to just sleep for 2 days after a good 6-APB roll.

I will fondly remember RC scene for me as being especially relevant when it comes to ecstasy replacements. Some consider them to be psychedelic some don’t. They overlap in many qualities. I find 2CB to be more of a roll than a trip until you get into higher doses above 20 mg

 

[PsychedelicSummer]

I've tried Aleph1/DOT, DOM, and - right now - TMA-2. Too few times to get a favorite. They all have some nausea and muscle twitches and all are great for sex. Similar in some ways of 2C-T-2, 2C-T-7 and 2C-T-21. Just gotten some DOB too, but when will I have such amount of time it requires? And at my age recovery from such disruptions take soo much longer. But curiosity needs to be satisfied. My 50 mg will probably last to my grandchildren. I don't mind the "toxic" effects of the DOX too much which some does. With all of Xorkoth's rave reviews of DOC, I hope to sample that too one day. Should have bought some some years ago when it was easily available. But, to the question, which one of the 3 I've sampled would I bring to a deserted Island? Would be DOM. More "all purpose" than TMA-2 and less erratic than Aleph1/DOT. Less "stoning"/drunkenness than Aleph1/DOT and TMA-2 too.

 

[Leprechaun]

A real difficult choice between DOB and DOM.

 

[Travis_Bickle]

DOC! What an incredible chem.

 

[Bitchniggaz]

DOC! What an incredible chem.

DOC! What an incredible chem.

Bought a bunch of DOC pills years ago.
Had some experience with it many years before aswell.

These are gonna last me rest of my life probably lol.
Only done the pills once since the set and setting for DOC is quite limited ime.

Best for festivals or similar where i can actually enjoy the very long duration and keep my mind occupied the entire time.
So no idea when im gonna do it again next time.

But def one of my favorite RC psychedelics, its really something special.

 

[red22]

DOC feels cheap compared to DOB and DOM.

 

[Bitchniggaz]

DOC feels cheap compared to DOB and DOM.

In what way?
Only done DOC of the family and enjoyed it alot.

But its a commitment and i usually go hard on nitrous and ket when doing it.
By itself its a tad shallow since its such a long trip.

 

[Leprechaun]

In what way?
Only done DOC of the family and enjoyed it alot.

But its a commitment and i usually go hard on nitrous and ket when doing it.
By itself its a tad shallow since its such a long trip.

From past memory, DOC is quite generic, an all-round standard psychedelic.

DOM and DOB bring their own character to it which makes them far more unique.

DOB is psychedelic, but it still has a very unique visual and emotional experience very different from say LSD or Mescaline.

DOM again, has another different character to it.

From my experience, DOB is quite different to DOC, while DOM is closer to DOC.

I'm looking forward to diving into DOB again, I love it at 1.4mg-2.0mg doses, as you can still function somewhat. At 2.0+, it's quite the investment of time with the full +++ going for around 6-8 hours. There's a very long tail to it, but rather manageable.

 

[Bitchniggaz]

From past memory, DOC is quite generic, an all-round standard psychedelic.

DOM and DOB bring their own character to it which makes them far more unique.

DOB is psychedelic, but it still has a very unique visual and emotional experience very different from say LSD or Mescaline.

DOM again, has another different character to it.

From my experience, DOB is quite different to DOC, while DOM is closer to DOC.

I'm looking forward to diving into DOB again, I love it at 1.4mg-2.0mg doses, as you can still function somewhat. At 2.0+, it's quite the investment of time with the full +++ going for around 6-8 hours. There's a very long tail to it, but rather manageable.

Ok, i do have the possibility to buy some DOM tabs.
Quite expensive but well worth just to check it off.

I agree that DOC is quite generic in a sense, however ime it does what it does very well.
Its not flashy but feels like a high end substance.
I get a luxorious and glamorous vibe from it, feels like eating lobster and sippin on champagne lol.
If i want to go deep into my mind it alone wont take me there.
But the duration and overall bland character makes it great for a all day psychedelic binge.

Its something i set aside a entire weekend and load up on good food, snacks and plenty of side dishes like good weed, nitrous and ket.
Also once at a rave i did a few bumps of really good cocaine with it.
Im usually not a stim guy but the Coke went really nice with the DOC and Ket that i was also doing.

In the future i would like to take a low dose of 4acodmt about half way into the trip.
So if i start around lunch time i would ingest the 4acodmt in the evening after it starts to get dark outside.

My plan is to stay active during the day, maybe go outside and walk around in the woods for a few hours.
Then get home and just lay in my couch after taking the 4acodmt and binge on Ket untill i fall asleep.


One of my favorite combos is mescaline and mushrooms, i suspect that DOC with 4acodmt could take me to a similar but less organic place.

 

[Leprechaun]

Ok, i do have the possibility to buy some DOM tabs.
Quite expensive but well worth just to check it off.

I agree that DOC is quite generic in a sense, however ime it does what it does very well.
Its not flashy but feels like a high end substance.
I get a luxorious and glamorous vibe from it, feels like eating lobster and sippin on champagne lol.
If i want to go deep into my mind it alone wont take me there.
But the duration and overall bland character makes it great for a all day psychedelic binge.

Its something i set aside a entire weekend and load up on good food, snacks and plenty of side dishes like good weed, nitrous and ket.
Also once at a rave i did a few bumps of really good cocaine with it.
Im usually not a stim guy but the Coke went really nice with the DOC and Ket that i was also doing.

In the future i would like to take a low dose of 4acodmt about half way into the trip.
So if i start around lunch time i would ingest the 4acodmt in the evening after it starts to get dark outside.

My plan is to stay active during the day, maybe go outside and walk around in the woods for a few hours.
Then get home and just lay in my couch after taking the 4acodmt and binge on Ket untill i fall asleep.


One of my favorite combos is mescaline and mushrooms, i suspect that DOC with 4acodmt could take me to a similar but less organic place.

yeah, I wish I could find some DOM again.

I tried LSD and mescaline and found they really didn’t see each other, was rather unpleasant.

 

[PsychedelicSummer]

I tried LSD and mescaline and found they really didn’t see each other, was rather unpleasant.

How do you mean? As a combo?

Anyhow, I've got some DOB waiting to be sampled. Can you or someone else experienced with DOB give me a rough estimate of intensity at different dosages compared to LSD? I see people taking dosages 1-3 mg.
The only other DOX I've taken are DOM and DOT (Aleph-1). I would like to take DOM at a dose roughly equivalent to 120-130 mcg LSD/7-8 mg DOM.
I've had normal reactions regarding dosage to all the 20-30 psychedelics I've tried so far.
From what I've read, I shouldn't expect to sleep until 24 h after dosing (unless with some help of a hypnotic).

 

[Leprechaun]

How do you mean? As a combo?

Anyhow, I've got some DOB waiting to be sampled. Can you or someone else experienced with DOB give me a rough estimate of intensity at different dosages compared to LSD? I see people taking dosages 1-3 mg.
The only other DOX I've taken are DOM and DOT (Aleph-1). I would like to take DOM at a dose roughly equivalent to 120-130 mcg LSD/7-8 mg DOM.
I've had normal reactions regarding dosage to all the 20-30 psychedelics I've tried so far.
From what I've read, I shouldn't expect to sleep until 24 h after dosing (unless with some help of a hypnotic).

LSD + Mescaline (San Pedro extract) just wasn't very nice. It was like the LSD amplified some of the more strange effects of the extract.

I would say that anything over 2mg DOB will be around the 100/150mcg line. I have never done 3mg of DOB, so I cannot compare. But they aren't equivalent. I mean, you can have nice mood lifting effects with 0.7mg of DOB, while you just can't get that effect at any dose with LSD.

So it's hard to compare. But I would expect 3mg DOB would be around 150 or maybe 200mcg LSD. Again, they aren't equivalent, since the effects are rather distinct.

Increasing the dose above 3mg will dramatically increase the physical effects and duration, without adding much to the mental effects.

 

[Bitchniggaz]

LSD + Mescaline (San Pedro extract) just wasn't very nice. It was like the LSD amplified some of the more strange effects of the extract.

I would say that anything over 2mg DOB will be around the 100/150mcg line. I have never done 3mg of DOB, so I cannot compare. But they aren't equivalent. I mean, you can have nice mood lifting effects with 0.7mg of DOB, while you just can't get that effect at any dose with LSD.

So it's hard to compare. But I would expect 3mg DOB would be around 150 or maybe 200mcg LSD. Again, they aren't equivalent, since the effects are rather distinct.

Increasing the dose above 3mg will dramatically increase the physical effects and duration, without adding much to the mental effects.

Mescaline overall doesnt vibe well in combos ime.
The only one i liked was San Pedro and cubensis.
Also THC is a good additive.

But most times i tried mixing mescaline with other psychedelics it didnt feel great.
Even nitrous that i always like to do while tripping felt strange on mesc.

 

[Travis_Bickle]

DOC feels cheap compared to DOB and DOM.

It's truly YMMV cuz I really disagree with this. DOC, to me, is a top-3 psychedelic (LSC, 2c-e, DOC).

 

[Bitchniggaz]

It's truly YMMV cuz I really disagree with this. DOC, to me, is a top-3 psychedelic (LSC, 2c-e, DOC).

I agree, its very good at what it does.
Its super sharp and clean esp compared to many phens.
Even the duration is quite manageble if you are ready for it.

But people tend to compare everything to LSD or whatever substance they like and therefore not give other stuff a fair shot.

Just be very careful with dosing, i beleive all DO-X chems its better to slightly underdose then riscing taking to much.