Gabapentinoids Thoughts on Pregabalin/Phenibut?

[chris_p]

I used to be quite hooked on Benzos in the past and though I miss the feeling they give I definitely do not miss the WDs.. I've read some stuff online about phenibut/lyrica being a good alternative and the prices are very low, anyone have experience using this stuff? What's the major differences between the two and which are better? I have a general idea of what it does but not sure if it's worth buying for treating anxiety

 

[Shinji Ikari]

It reminds me more of alcohol than benzos but the ratio is shifted from 50/50 physical/mental intoxication to something more like 80/20. It makes you wobble...

I like to take it once every week or two in the 300-500mg range and generally find my anxiety levels are lowered for the next day or two afterwards. You can't take it much more than once a week without having tolerance issues.

I also hear it can be a lot rougher on your organs than benzos and while it may not be as addictive it certainly is still addictive and some people have a really hard time weaning themselves off it.

Also it can be as bad as opioids for causing constipation with regular use, so that's fun...

 

[TombstonePepe]

I used to be quite hooked on Benzos in the past and though I miss the feeling they give I definitely do not miss the WDs.. I've read some stuff online about phenibut/lyrica being a good alternative and the prices are very low, anyone have experience using this stuff? What's the major differences between the two and which are better? I have a general idea of what it does but not sure if it's worth buying for treating anxiety

I’m late, but I want to hopefully steer anyone away from the nightmare of an experience I had with Phenibut.

So at first it felt great. Heightened confidence, energy, focus, and libido. Eventually it sort of turned on me. Meaning I could take more and I’d feel awful (physical and mental withdrawal). So I tapered a bit and hopped off. I’d say my average dose was around 7-8g per day.

I started a job while tapering/quitting and holy shit. The absolute paranoia and fear I felt was insane. Experienced some psychosis symptoms too. Ended up leaving the job because of it and some familial stuff I had to deal with.

Long story short, Phenibut can be very addictive and the withdrawal is brutal.

 

[drewbocop]

They're pretty strange. I actually got back on gabapentin a few years ago to get OFF of phenibut, after being a bit too bullish with it and got stuck at about 4 grams/day because of an intensive job I worked that I couldn't miss. Worked a treat. Stayed on gabapentin to this day because of all my nerve/spine damage because it's the only thing that prevents my cervicogenic headaches. Anyways, they feel strange at first. Almost like a mix of MDMA and alcohol. I used to get closed eye tracers when I'd take them. Now they don't do shit, and the tolerance build is rapid. Not exactly a substitute for benzos, but they are a wonderful tool to have in the bag for getting OFF drugs. Some people find them really hard to get off, I've gotten off them probably 4 times over the years, most of them cold turkey or very rapid taper, and I had an easy time. Way easier than phenibut, that's for sure.

 

[Dextro .45]

Phenibut 750 1st time / 1G decent / 2-3G max —— 3h onset / 8-12h duration / next day afterglow 24h
Amazing substance for social interaction, anxiolytic, happy mood-boosting effects, amazing in a cocktail

Pregabalin 150-450 (300mg is nice) fast onset 45min 1.5h C-Max …..Anxiolytic/anticonvulsant like a Benzo

Gabapentin 300mg X 3-5 capsules - lower bioavailability, same MOA as Pregabalin

Ritalin 50-60mg
Methadone 100mg
Diazepam 10-30mg
Pregabalin 300
Phenibut 1,000mg
Ethanol - Gin 2.oz drinks + Belmont cigarette

Nice oral cocktail for social party 1h ingest prior to event…..tolerance may vary lol

 

[ĐmantuNJofra]

Phenibut I order once a year 45 or 90g, I than stop pregabalin and benzos-2 years back, last two orders I just stopped pregabalin the order comes quick here in 3 days max.

Phenibut is euphoric way more than pregabalin, but pregabalin is stronger by weight, not going on affinity here. phenibut lasts longer and Gaba b agonism makes it similar very to GHB.

Pregabalin is more like mild dissos, yeah I guess first time is like MDMA and alcohol like drewbocop said also.

Now Phenibu is tricky in rebound and withdrawal so having pregabalin than a box extra is salvation. as 20 to 30 days of using Phenibut in 3g bcause I needed always more probably a cross-tolerance.

Benzos I only tried those known prescribed clonazepam, flurazepam, midazolam, lorazepam, alprazolam, diazepam, and still I have extra of clonazepams bottlles people like it which I never understod.

Ritalin 50-60mg
Methadone 100mg
Diazepam 10-30mg
Pregabalin 300
Phenibut 1,000mg
Ethanol - Gin 2.oz drinks + Belmont cigarette

maybe a bit overkill I would take this without pregabalin as when I did and with benzo I feel in my house like I woke up 5 cm before ground couldnt put my hands and directly on head. I was lucky. I sat after to see if I get nauseus even took mild doses but probably but we are all different and I didnt have stimulant at the time well I did but I took Concerta after the fall. Ritalin as Concerta are way better with pregabalin than Phenibut and amphetamines, they don't cancel one another.

Never tried Methadone but was taking buprenorphine and I was having these eletrick shocks mixing buprenorphine with Phenibut similar to brain zaps. Never understood that. even moreso when lighting a cigarette.

Last two times I took with 1p-Lsd and cannabis and after that when ran out a gram of ketamine analogue DCK literally I saw time in space like if you watched Trued Detective last episode what MCconaughey sees also like I saw how to explain now- but because of Phenibuts magic of being so egotrip while loving everyone at the same time was creating safe space of those 3 psychedelics, or 2 and diso, weeds anxiety and stonenes countered with one Concerta as Lsd is already a stimulant but weed is only thing I can feel on LSD Ketamine does nothing while peaking but Phenibut I timed beautifully. These things happen only once I think. I saw everything my living room was as me and what will or would be, I saw colors where walls are more tense as we had earthquake. everywhere where something is tense there was orange as where things are relaxed or not sure more methemathicaly and physicaly calculated so they hold perfect were blue.

I never could get there with acid without Phenibut even with Pregabalin which I must say makes you cognitively less efficient to emphasize stupidity.

Be careful Phenibut is harder on your GI tract, pregabalin is a bit more therapeutical but on Phenibut I don't loose words like on pregabs.
Also it takes sometimes to 5 hrs to start working so do not redose before that start with 500-1000mg top with Phenibut and 150 mg Pregabalin if no tolerance. Phenibut overdose is like convulsing 24 hours but still allive to feel it I was in hell on my sofa also couple years back I thought well I cant remember the whole state of mind now but it was uuuhhhh. So watch the doses.

Stay safe

 

[Dextro .45]

Ya…..above cocktail would be fatal for a naive individual or even a person with a tolerance

15-20 years of daily usage, a 240lbs / 6’ man …..this is a blessing. Just enough muscle but not too overpowering…..tailored to MY TOLERANCE

a dopaminergic stimulant & potent opioid (absolutely staple) ….the rest is sugar on top
Diazepam for its unmatched anxiolytic & muscle relaxant properties
Pregabalin & Phenibut I rarely add both….and yes Phenibut is Significantly more pleasurable & pro-social
Ethanol is like the match that light the fuse for critical mass …….BOOM in 45min/1.5h

It’s basically a customized oral Brompton Cocktail intended for terminal patients to make them comfortable and euphoric, able to talk with family, mentally alert & sociable…..pain free and stimulated …..the original Cocaine hydrochloride & Morphine Sulphate (Diacetylmorphine-Heroin) replaced the morphine which was too itchy and nauseous, hence they added something to combat negative effects of Morphine

Diamorphine & Cocaine is the genuine “Speedball” because they work so well together……dosing to tolerance must be mastered / tailored to patient for maximum effectiveness minimizing any negative effects

Safer is oral cocktail with known substances like:

Oxycodone IR 5-10mg
Methylphenidate 10-20mg IR
Diazepam 10mg
Alprazolam 0.5 - 1mg
Pregabalin 150mg

that would be a safe & effective cocktail for an adult patient in severe pain and discomfort …..45min - 1.5h they would be thanking you repeatedly lol…..thanks doc, what was that? can I have another when I’m suffering again? Sure thing champ….just ask for me

 

[bvc]

They're pretty strange. I actually got back on gabapentin a few years ago to get OFF of phenibut, after being a bit too bullish with it and got stuck at about 4 grams/day because of an intensive job I worked that I couldn't miss. Worked a treat. Stayed on gabapentin to this day because of all my nerve/spine damage because it's the only thing that prevents my cervicogenic headaches. Anyways, they feel strange at first. Almost like a mix of MDMA and alcohol. I used to get closed eye tracers when I'd take them. Now they don't do shit, and the tolerance build is rapid. Not exactly a substitute for benzos, but they are a wonderful tool to have in the bag for getting OFF drugs. Some people find them really hard to get off, I've gotten off them probably 4 times over the years, most of them cold turkey or very rapid taper, and I had an easy time. Way easier than phenibut, that's for sure.

If you don't mind my asking, how did you get the nerve/spine damage?

I take lamictal for nerve pain (genetic not situational) but I tried out gabapentin for awhile.

 

[bvc]

Benzos I only tried those known prescribed clonazepam, flurazepam, midazolam, lorazepam, alprazolam, diazepam, and still I have extra of clonazepams bottlles people like it which I never understod.

Which benzo has worked best for you?

 

[ĐmantuNJofra]

Which benzo has worked best for you?

If I must Lorazepam it is relaxing a bit trippy, etizolam I didn't mention it as I got one or two boxes but having tolerance at the time on the worst Xanax ER so... well I also tried Nitrazepam nothing special, I think they are best when anxiety levels are high later is just subjective, I find them boring which is something I almost become like restless, agitated, sleep is poor as you go tolerance rises and side effects also ,so clonazepam is ok like 0,5 in combo with stim to take the edge of or to be able to sleep but that is like someone said here I red a lot of this sites threads older ones:

"That is like hitting your head on the wall then be amazed how good is when you stop."

 

[ĐmantuNJofra]

Oxycodone IR 5-10mg
Methylphenidate 10-20mg IR
Diazepam 10mg
Alprazolam 0.5 - 1mg
Pregabalin 150mg

being experienced responsible and functional adult, two benzos and pregabalin, , never tried Oxy so....better because I tried hydromorphone dad gave me well I liked it so much that I was pissed when it stopped like in 2 hours.

but if I must pick I would take MPH and Oxy from your group, but as tolerance rises pregabalin would make sense. I hate Xanax I thought Im gonna die miserable and young in withdrawal, funny clonazepam being nitrobenzo is or generaly as for my liver the most hepatotoxic but now not general at least for me easiest to get of and while sleep deprived would create almost stim and beer or two effect. as analgesic

Pregabalin in 150mg is where I am now most days as 72mg MPH

 

[SuperPsych]

Pregabalin I quickly became addicted to. Not because of the high itself. In fact, I thought the high felt kinda weird. Most people seem to find it somewhat euphoric but I found it to be mostly neutral. I just started taking it daily because it knocked my ass OUT and I've had insomnia since I was a kid. Started off with 300mg/day but tolerance set in quick so before I knew it I was taking 900mg/day to knock me out. I did this for only a month, and let me tell you, I'd take benzo withdrawal every day of the week over pregabalin withdrawal. I don't think I ever felt as awful as I did when I had to cold turkey. It had all of the anxiety,panic and fear that benzo WD has. The impending sense of doom. Constantly feeling electric shots through the body and constantly feeling like you might have a seizure. The mood swings were more severe than any WD I've ever had and I also felt very suicidal. Couldn't stop thinking about it. Also got the occasional homicidal urge which I have not once experienced in life and haven't since. Most people would describe me as super laid back and caring and nice, so feeling that way was WAY out of character. It honestly scared the living shit out of me. Felt this way for about 2 weeks and then binged on meth out of desperation to get past it, which I did but ended up losing my job in the process due to the meth.

Phenibut I really like. It's a very valuable tool. Fantastic for interviews, meetings, public speaking. Great for when you need lower anxiety but don't want to seem intoxicated. You don't really feel "high" from phenibut. You just take it and forget about it then 4 hours later realize that all of your interactions have been going well and that you're having a good day. That's where the addiction issues come into play. It's not the high that reels you in, it's the fact that it's a guaranteed good day, which is tempting when you have a shitty job and life is boring. The withdrawal does suck but if you find yourself addicted, tapering is super easy as long as you stick to a plan and do it slowly. I've been addicted a couple of times and have tapered with no issue. Now I use Phenibut for especially long work days, interviews, obligations that cause me anxiety, etc. I no longer use it daily. Try to keep it to once or twice a week at most. Phenibut is also great for psychedelics. Take some a few hours before you take your psychedelic. Makes the experience a bit more forgiving, lowers a lot of the anxiety but it doesn't cloud you or dull the experience like benzos do. If I do benzos with psychedelics I might have fun, but I absolutely wont gain a thing from the trip. If I take phenibut with psychedelics then I'll probably have fun but still have the ability to learn and gain from the experience. Phenibut does not work as a trip abort like benzos. Phenibut takes like 4 hours to really kick in. I have found my sweetspot to be about 1.5g, but I start feeling anxiolytic effects at around 500mg.

Ritalin 50-60mg
Methadone 100mg
Diazepam 10-30mg
Pregabalin 300
Phenibut 1,000mg
Ethanol - Gin 2.oz drinks + Belmont cigarette

You're brompton cocktail recipe lives rent free in my mind. It just pops in my head now and again and gets me pondering it. I'd love to try it. I finally have a Methylphenidate script, although its extended release. Don't have access to opiates. I could do 7-OH instead but that's not a euphoric opioid like Oxy or Methadone. Would have to get a short acting benzo just for the cocktail. I only have bromonordiazepam which lasts a couple of days apparently. You speak highly of it and it's on my "must try" list. Though I'll probably forgo the alcohol when I try it.

 

[Dextro .45]

being experienced responsible and functional adult, two benzos and pregabalin, , never tried Oxy so....better because I tried hydromorphone dad gave me well I liked it so much that I was pissed when it stopped like in 2 hours.

but if I must pick I would take MPH and Oxy from your group, but as tolerance rises pregabalin would make sense. I hate Xanax I thought Im gonna die miserable and young in withdrawal, funny clonazepam being nitrobenzo is or generaly as for my liver the most hepatotoxic but now not general at least for me easiest to get of and while sleep deprived would create almost stim and beer or two effect. as analgesic

Pregabalin in 150mg is where I am now most days as 72mg MPH

Diazepam 10mg
Alprazolam 0.5 - 1mg
Pregabalin 150mg

All very light doses for adult male ……reason for different benzodiazepines is Diazepam is a potent anxiolytic with robust muscle relaxant properties while Alprazolam is anxiolytic with robust antidepressant (mood-boosting) properties due to its Triazolo ring (similar to Etizolam) which seem to possess antidepressant properties as compared with Lorazepam. In addition, Alprazolam causes a significant increase in dopamine in the brains pleasure centre as compared to Lorazepam (hence why Xanax is the most abused Benzo in US)

So both are low dose Valium & Xanax while both bring something different to the table…..Pregabalin a potent anxiolytic & anticonvulsant with euphoric properties

Anxiolytic + muscle relaxant + antidepressant (Valium & Xanax)
Oxycodone 5-10mg - most pleasurable euphoric opioid easily, next to Diamorphine
Ritalin (Methylphenidate) 10-20mg - very safe & effective dopaminergic stimulant with robust mood-boosting and euphoric properties

a tolerant 200+lbs male can easily be functional with 3-6 Diazepam 10mg tablets ……a single 10mg tablet is perfectly safe

Xanax 2mg bar is almost standard…….a peach 0.5mg is perfectly safe

Yes, all combined have a potentiating effects…..as intended hence the carefully crafted cocktail, each compound selected for its therapeutic properties

A healthy adult male could easily tolerate AND enjoy greatly……a cocktail of

Oxycodone 5mg
Ritalin 20mg
Diazepam 10mg
Alprazolam 0.5mg
Pregabalin 150mg

Its would be Significantly euphoric with any tension & anxiety melting away in place of a profound antidepressant mood-boosting feeling (the dopaminergic stimulant is absolutely staple paired with the non-sedating and even stimulating uppity & euphoric Oxycodone)

I take a variation of this cocktail in addition to depo-testosterone 200mg IM which has significantly antidepressant & mood-boosting properties, calm cool & collected, confident, pro-social, vigorous & vigilant

Essentially you feel like James Bond meets Superman lol ….in a way

A shy reserved individual would walk into a crowded cocktail party (pun maybe intended) like he owned the place mingling like a smooth & confident James Bond

But……safety first. Know your limits, and play within it

 

[krodhc314]

I take Clonazepam 1mg 4X/Day. I took .5 grams Phenibut at 1:30pm can I take a Clonazepam 1 or 2 mg before bed at like 11:00 pm?