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Dissociatives The Small and Handy MXPCP thread

Nervewing

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Hello, this drug has hit the market very recently! 3-MeO-2'-Oxo-PCP, a tricky synthesis that didn't seem possible before, fully realized and scaled up! Really interesting compound SAR-wise. MXPCP seems an appropriate name as MXP is already taken.

I consider it an excellent party drug, it's very hedonistic, it has such a rush, it's very shallow though and almost inhibiting mentally. It has a short duration, it's forgiving with pushing doses very high, people could have a lot of fun with this.
My dosage guideline for people without a tolerance would be something maybe like:

Threshold: 15-20 mg
Light: 20-50 mg
Common: 50-100 mg
Heavy: 100+ mg

I am accounting for my own tolerance in writing this but would want to hear input from others if this seems accurate.
Duration is about 4-5 hours total, with 15-30 minutes of comeup and ~1 hr of a peak.

What a rush! But not much insight or depth to it. I think this would be really good for dancing and not really talking.

I wrote a full report for it here:
https://www.bluelight.org/community...ced-dissociative-hedony.948498/#post-16305172
 
I've got some of this coming in soon, as well as 25E-NBOH, and phenazolam. What characteristics of psychedelic do you suspect would mix well with MXPCP? I've got 12-15 at my disposal right now, and I haven't used an arylcyclohexylamine in about 6 months so my tolerance to dissociatives should be rather low despite having housed 29 grams of arylcyclohexylamines in ten months about a year and a half to two years ago.

Brief rundown of mixes I've considered: DOB, 4-HO-MET, DOM, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DET, mushrooms, LSA, 4-AcO-DMT, peyote, mescaline acetate, allylescaline, 5-MeO-DiPT, 2C-B, 25E-NBOH, 25B-NBOH/25I-NBOMe (they're mixed with one another), DPT, DiPT, and maybe a few others I'm forgetting. The short duration of MXPCP makes me think that something shorter like 2C-B, metocin, miprocin or DiPT would work well, and 25E-NBOH also allegedly has a low duration, so I've been considering that one too.
 
I've got some of this coming in soon, as well as 25E-NBOH, and phenazolam. What characteristics of psychedelic do you suspect would mix well with MXPCP? I've got 12-15 at my disposal right now, and I haven't used an arylcyclohexylamine in about 6 months so my tolerance to dissociatives should be rather low despite having housed 29 grams of arylcyclohexylamines in ten months about a year and a half to two years ago.

Brief rundown of mixes I've considered: DOB, 4-HO-MET, DOM, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DET, mushrooms, LSA, 4-AcO-DMT, peyote, mescaline acetate, allylescaline, 5-MeO-DiPT, 2C-B, 25E-NBOH, 25B-NBOH/25I-NBOMe (they're mixed with one another), DPT, DiPT, and maybe a few others I'm forgetting. The short duration of MXPCP makes me think that something shorter like 2C-B, metocin, miprocin or DiPT would work well, and 25E-NBOH also allegedly has a low duration, so I've been considering that one too.
4-HO-MIPT + DMXE + 3-HO-PCP provided me my favorite trip in recent years. 4-HO-MIPT is what I intend to mix with MXPCP when I acquire some. Probably will try mixing it with 3-me-PCP as well.

2CB mixed really well with MXE and 3-MeO-PCP.

For me, personally, I would avoid LSA and mushrooms and maybe even 4-ACO-DMT until I got a feel for the chemical. 4-HO-MET/4-HO-MIPT I think would be great, allylescaline would probably be cool and I imagine even an NBOMe might be fun.

Of course it depends on what you're looking for. From the reports, MXPCP sounds fun and light-hearted; I'd try to find a psychedelic that matches that spirit.
 
4-HO-MIPT + DMXE + 3-HO-PCP provided me my favorite trip in recent years. 4-HO-MIPT is what I intend to mix with MXPCP when I acquire some. Probably will try mixing it with 3-me-PCP as well.

2CB mixed really well with MXE and 3-MeO-PCP.

For me, personally, I would avoid LSA and mushrooms and maybe even 4-ACO-DMT until I got a feel for the chemical. 4-HO-MET/4-HO-MIPT I think would be great, allylescaline would probably be cool and I imagine even an NBOMe might be fun.

Of course it depends on what you're looking for. From the reports, MXPCP sounds fun and light-hearted; I'd try to find a psychedelic that matches that spirit.
I think I've settled on Allylescaline, Metocin + LSD, N,N,DiPT, 2C-B + Miprocin, and a 25X-NBXX, and then using the remainder on its own.

The mixes will probably only be alongside 30-50mg doses since I'm not trying to push it too high, current reviews indicate people don't get much from trying to hole on this substance.

Edit: I felt like elaborating more on this because I just never shut the fuck up about drugs. Many people are reporting MXPCP to have a threshold around 10-15mg, and for a mild dose to be 25mg or so, with 50 being deep deep in it. I'm a HUGE fan of super low doses of dissociatives just to spice up a day, but with the above mixes, I might go closer to 50mg or so. I intend on using MXPCP once every two weeks, and I've recently become super nerdy about pre-planning trips, in fact I've got everything from Mabon to NYE planned out already. My thought process behind using the 5 above combos, assuming each one utilizes 50mg of MXPCP between @Felidaez and I, here is my thought process per idea:
  • MXPCP and Allylescaline: I think this combination would make going for a hike super fun, either that or watching some horror films.
  • [Either 25B-NBOH/25I-NBOMe or 25E-NBOH, or maybe a little bit of all three] and MXPCP: I have no clue at all what to expect from this one.
  • MXPCP, Metocin and LSD: Metocin and LSD mix beautifully, and in the past 3-MeO-PCP made this mix even better for introspection and working on the weird, heady sorts of thoughts that these drugs lend themselves to. Might focus on writing or programming during this one. Thinking about saving this one, or the 25X-NBXX one for my birthday.
  • N,N-DiPT, LSD, MXPCP and maybe also 5-MeO-DiPT: I've found N,N-DiPT and 5-MeO-DiPT to have a really special synergy with one another, and LSD pairs beautifully with both. In addition to this, this same combination alongside ketamine or 2-FXE proved to be one of the best at musical immersion, so I want to orient this experience around music listening through my reference headphones.
  • 2C-B, Miprocin, and MXPCP: This is essentially just me asking myself "So how manic can I get this combination?". If I had any bath salts on hand I'd add them in too, tbh. I'll probably spend most of this trip with my fiance doing manic shit like cleaning frenetically or getting busy in bed.
  • MDA, MXPCP and 2C-B (maybe with some etizolam): Valentine's day celebrations with the fiance.
 
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I'm not trying to push it too high, current reviews indicate people don't get much from trying to hole on this substance.
That's good to know. I haven't done a lot of reading on it. I saw the chemical structure and I was sold. I'm trying to go more blindly into trials. I don't want to alter my initial experience with expectations.

I'm a HUGE fan of super low doses of dissociatives just to spice up a day, but with the above mixes, I might go closer to 50mg or so. I intend on using MXPCP once every two weeks, and I've recently become super nerdy about pre-planning trips, in fact I've got everything from Mabon to NYE planned out already.
I too am also a huge fan of low doses of dissociatives to spice up a day. I'm also a HUGE fan of doing common doses all through the day to spice it up. It's good that you get into pre-planning trips. I've gotten to be the same with psychedelics, but I think that I need to start doing that with dissociatives. Plan it out, have intent, don't go blindly just doing it every day to do it every day. I think I'll manage that better with methylphenidate. One of the reasons I do dissociatives so much is that the mania helps my ADHD symptoms. I'm able to get shit done and stay on task, until higher doses at least. But now that I'm having my ADHD treated I'll be able to use dissociatives for what they are. Not for daily use. The plan is to make a gram of a potent arylcyclohexylamine last at least a few months instead of going through a gram in a month or less.

MXPCP and Allylescaline: I think this combination would make going for a hike super fun, either that or watching some horror films.
I think that would be a fucking fantastic combo for hikes and also good for a movie marathon. I don't particularly enjoy horror films. I don't think I'd enjoy watching them on psychedelics but I definitely see the appeal on dissociatives. I love watching dark shit on dissos. Kudos to you though for having the mental fortitude to handle horror on psychedelics.

[Either 25B-NBOH/25I-NBOMe or 25E-NBOH, or maybe a little bit of all three] and MXPCP: I have no clue at all what to expect from this one.
I took 25i-NBOMe and MXE once. Fairly lowish doses on those. Went to go star gazing out in the country. Was a beautiful time. I think that this would also be a good hike or out in nature combo.

MXPCP, Metocin and LSD: Metocin and LSD mix beautifully, and in the past 3-MeO-PCP made this mix even better for introspection and working on the weird, heady sorts of thoughts that these drugs lend themselves to. Might focus on writing or programming during this one. Thinking about saving this one, or the 25X-NBXX one for my birthday.
I can see that being a great combo; the LSD and Metocin, that is. I have both parts available so maybe I'll try that soon. I can see them mixing well and I'm sure 3-MeO-PCP was a grand ole' cherry on top. Honestly, 3-MeO-PCP went great with everything. I miss that stuff so much. I LOVED writing on 3-MeO-PCP. During my days where I'd have grams of it and carry a bumper on me constantly, I was always toting a notebook and pen. I imagine it's great for writing code. It never really made me confused like other dissos did and I was able to think outside the box but still be there enough mentally to get down what I was thinking on paper. This sounds like a great birthday combo.

N,N-DiPT, LSD, MXPCP and maybe also 5-MeO-DiPT: I've found N,N-DiPT and 5-MeO-DiPT to have a really special synergy with one another, and LSD pairs beautifully with both. In addition to this, this same combination alongside ketamine or 2-FXE proved to be one of the best at musical immersion, so I want to orient this experience around music listening through my reference headphones.
That's good to know about their synergy. I wonder if the same can be said for 5-MeO-Mipt & Mipt and so on and so forth. Have yet to try either of the DiPT's. Been wanting to try Foxy since High School so I really need to get around to it. Kinda have been wanting to do it during summer time so maybe next year, though Moxy was a great winter drug. FXE has such amazing music enhancement. Basically all I would do on it is listen to music with headphones on and lay back. Really great stuff

2C-B, Miprocin, and MXPCP: This is essentially just me asking myself "So how manic can I get this combination?". If I had any bath salts on hand I'd add them in too, tbh. I'll probably spend most of this trip with my fiance doing manic shit like cleaning frenetically or getting busy in bed.
That's an interesting goal but I ain't knocking it. I LOVE me some mania. That's why I miss 3-MeO-PCP so much. You're braver than I for being willing to mix bath salts. Maybe something like Eutylone or Methylone or 3-MMC or something. I'm sure that you could fit both cleaning frenetically and getting busy in bed in the same trip ;)

MDA, MXPCP and 2C-B (maybe with some etizolam): Valentine's day celebrations with the fiance.
There's no way that this combo isn't a winner. As I mentioned, just please do be careful mixing the MDA and MXPCP; especially with etizolam if you think that might lower inhibitions enough to take more MDA or MXPCP than planned. Don't know how you react to benzos but they personally make me want to consume basically as many drugs as I can. I know that you know what you're doing though, but I can't go without mentioning it
 
The mixes will probably only be alongside 30-50mg doses since I'm not trying to push it too high, current reviews indicate people don't get much from trying to hole on this substance.

So many well-laid plans, and you haven't even tried it yet? I do like the idea of planning most trips ahead of time though. I'd be doing more of this myself if my health were more stable. (Hopefully soon.)

Sorry I don't have much else to say being that I've never tried any dissociatives except N2O and Salvia (if that counts). MXPCP certainly sounds like it would be interesting.
 
Wow that is one sexy molecule! The literal PCP analog of Methoxetamine. I'd love this to become available (no sources please)
 
Just had some touch down a few minutes ago, hoping to try it out this evening at some point! It feels like Christmas morning
 
That's good to know. I haven't done a lot of reading on it. I saw the chemical structure and I was sold. I'm trying to go more blindly into trials. I don't want to alter my initial experience with expectations.
Have I ever talked about my hunch that MDXX comedowns are somewhat of a "social pathogen"?
So many well-laid plans, and you haven't even tried it yet? I do like the idea of planning most trips ahead of time though. I'd be doing more of this myself if my health were more stable. (Hopefully soon.)

Sorry I don't have much else to say being that I've never tried any dissociatives except N2O and Salvia (if that counts). MXPCP certainly sounds like it would be interesting.
I've done a lot of drugs and love planning them alongside a set and setting so that I can try to maximize how useful the experience is to me, you know? Drugs are tools, and if you think of a tool like an impact driver, it's not very useful with a dead battery or the wrong drill bits, so any use of a tool imo requires foresight as to the surrounding elements to make it hit just right. I'd also definitely consider salvia a dissociative/psychedelic, I wish I had a semi truck full of straight salvia leaf right now. Back when I used to cultivate it, just a few bowls of straight leaf would put me into experiences so difficult to articulate, so euphoric, so transformative, it's genuinely one of the most slept on drugs alongside the PCP and 25X-NBXX families in my personal opinion.
There's no way that this combo isn't a winner. As I mentioned, just please do be careful mixing the MDA and MXPCP; especially with etizolam if you think that might lower inhibitions enough to take more MDA or MXPCP than planned. Don't know how you react to benzos but they personally make me want to consume basically as many drugs as I can. I know that you know what you're doing though, but I can't go without mentioning it
I'm about 12 years into using benzos on and off, often going years just forgetting they even exist tbh. When I black out, the worst it gets is that I text my friends sappy shit about how much I miss them and how we need to hang at some point in the future, benzos don't really lead to me binging, but they do often convince me to take a very specific combination of a caffeine pill, 2-4 grams of kratom, and some THC, but since those are my usual dailies it's not a very big deal. I appreciate the harm reduction words here! This combination is a recreation of the 3-MeO-PCP, 2C-B, and MDA experience that my fiance and I had last valentine's day and it was one of the best rolls we've ever experienced.
That's an interesting goal but I ain't knocking it. I LOVE me some mania. That's why I miss 3-MeO-PCP so much. You're braver than I for being willing to mix bath salts. Maybe something like Eutylone or Methylone or 3-MMC or something. I'm sure that you could fit both cleaning frenetically and getting busy in bed in the same trip ;)
My natural state is so intensely depressed that I genuinely view mania-inducing drugs as teachers that help me to be less depressed. I don't ever get the drive to use them often or compulsively, as like with any other drug that teaches, a period of sober integration afterwards is required to get full value from the experience, just my opinion on it at least. 3-HO-PCP with NEP was absolutely fucking beautiful, but 3-HO-PCP often interferes with my vestibular-ocular reflex and causes me to see double which can make the normal bath salt experience kind of annoying. 2-FXE/CanKet, and 2-FDCK were much better mixes just because they left me able to see straight.

The only cathinones I've ever come across are NEP and bupropion (and I think one time I was given methcathinone as "khat extract" from a Palestinian student group I used to work with) but I'm looking forward to trying more of them. They're kind of mid-level on the list of things we'll be acquiring though, so maybe in the next 4-8 months I'll grab some, but it's not a top priority compared to stockpiling LSD, MDA, and maybe trying 4-PrO-DMT or 5-Cl-AMT if they're still available when I go for them.
That's good to know about their synergy. I wonder if the same can be said for 5-MeO-Mipt & Mipt and so on and so forth. Have yet to try either of the DiPT's. Been wanting to try Foxy since High School so I really need to get around to it. Kinda have been wanting to do it during summer time so maybe next year, though Moxy was a great winter drug. FXE has such amazing music enhancement. Basically all I would do on it is listen to music with headphones on and lay back. Really great stuff
A warning about using foxy in the summer, idk where you live but if it's hot be super careful of the hyperthermia. I've mixed 25C-NBOMe with MDA and experienced far less hyperthermia than even a low dose of foxy will induce. Foxy's a very neat drug with a lot to offer, but it really shines as a sex enhancer, or in a kind of scary high dose where it resembles a sort of "feral" take on LSD if that makes sense. I thought my batch was bunk but it turns out I just had a crazy 25I-NBOMe tolerance at the time, so I insufflated 24mg before going to work and oh boy, that was a wild day in the office.
I took 25i-NBOMe and MXE once. Fairly lowish doses on those. Went to go star gazing out in the country. Was a beautiful time. I think that this would also be a good hike or out in nature combo.
25B-NBOH, 25I-NBOMe and MDMB-4en-PINACA recently provided an absolutely amazing experience, and given MDMB-4en-PINACA's similarities to PCP analogs I would imagine that MXE would fit wonderfully also. I'll definitely be trying some 25X-NBXX's with the MXPCP!
I think that would be a fucking fantastic combo for hikes and also good for a movie marathon. I don't particularly enjoy horror films. I don't think I'd enjoy watching them on psychedelics but I definitely see the appeal on dissociatives. I love watching dark shit on dissos. Kudos to you though for having the mental fortitude to handle horror on psychedelics.
I was raised in a family big on horror movies and metal music and all that shit, so I find a ton of comfort in listening to Seether and watching 90's horror films, allylescaline also provides a comfort so it's like crossing two big forms of comfort for me, it's truly kickass. I have this weird thing where it takes a ton of energy for me to process things visually, I can watch 10 minutes of a movie with full attention and not tell you how many people were there, what they were doing, what the setting was, etc. because it's so hard for my brain to meaningfully process visual information, so I tend to rewatch one of the same ~250 horror films when I'm looking for something cozy. I suspect it relates to the other weird neurovisual issues I have, weird (fun?) fact here but I have 0% capacity to see the color red, dogs and I have profoundly similar vision. I often find it ironic that as someone who's used more visual-inducing drugs than 99% of people would ever even consider, I can only see the G & B out of RGB hahaha.
 
Have I ever talked about my hunch that MDXX comedowns are somewhat of a "social pathogen"?
Not to me, you haven't. You may have commented on it elsewhere and I haven't seen it. What do you mean by the term "social pathogen"? I've never heard that before

I've done a lot of drugs and love planning them alongside a set and setting so that I can try to maximize how useful the experience is to me, you know? Drugs are tools, and if you think of a tool like an impact driver, it's not very useful with a dead battery or the wrong drill bits, so any use of a tool imo requires foresight as to the surrounding elements to make it hit just right. I'd also definitely consider salvia a dissociative/psychedelic, I wish I had a semi truck full of straight salvia leaf right now. Back when I used to cultivate it, just a few bowls of straight leaf would put me into experiences so difficult to articulate, so euphoric, so transformative, it's genuinely one of the most slept on drugs alongside the PCP and 25X-NBXX families in my personal opinion.
I agree 100% with the notion that Salvia is both a dissociative and psychedelic. Almost 100% of my salvia experiences have been profoundly dissociating. Salvia is such a fascinating drug. Very interesting and unique and as long as it's treated with great respect it can produce some pleasant effects. I remember one time smoking a couple of hits on the comedown of I think a 2c-t-2 trip and watching the sun come up. It was really beautiful. My first salvia trip might be one of my most memorable that I've experienced. I'd really love to try the quid method. It sounds pretty pleasant that was. Salvia Divinorum is definitely one I'd like to get in my future psychedelic garden. Have you ever tried coleus before? I tried it a few times as a youth because I had read that some cultures considered coleus to be male and salvia to be female. Never got anything from it, unfortunately. Beautiful plant, though. I think the reason that most people seem to have never had a positive experience with it is that they've never gone in to the experience respecting salvia as an entity. Once I met the salvia entity and learned the sort of respect that she commands, every trip has been interesting and fairly positive.

This combination is a recreation of the 3-MeO-PCP, 2C-B, and MDA experience that my fiance and I had last valentine's day and it was one of the best rolls we've ever experienced.
That sounds like a lovely combination. I never had the luck of trying 3-MeO-PCP with an empathogen, which is a shame because I imagine that they would go incredibly well together. I always found 3-MeO-PCP of being able to produce some pretty profound euphoria. I might try 3-me-PCP with MDMA at an upcoming Ott show. 3-meo-PCP is leagues better than 3-me-PCP, but 3-me-PCP might be cool with it. MXPCP I imagine would be great with MDA annd a psychedelic. I'll probably be ordering some MXPCP and 2-FXipr this week which I'm pretty excited about. Not much else makes me quite as excited as trying a new dissociative. I'll be my first time with either. I love PCP analogues and loved MXE, so I can't comprehend MXPCP being bad. I also absolutely adored FXE. It was everything that I wished Ketamine was. Probabky went through a couple of ounces of FXE. I hope that you have a good time with the combo

My natural state is so intensely depressed that I genuinely view mania-inducing drugs as teachers that help me to be less depressed. I don't ever get the drive to use them often or compulsively, as like with any other drug that teaches, a period of sober integration afterwards is required to get full value from the experience, just my opinion on it at least. 3-HO-PCP with NEP was absolutely fucking beautiful, but 3-HO-PCP often interferes with my vestibular-ocular reflex and causes me to see double which can make the normal bath salt experience kind of annoying. 2-FXE/CanKet, and 2-FDCK were much better mixes just because they left me able to see straight.

The only cathinones I've ever come across are NEP and bupropion (and I think one time I was given methcathinone as "khat extract" from a Palestinian student group I used to work with) but I'm looking forward to trying more of them. They're kind of mid-level on the list of things we'll be acquiring though, so maybe in the next 4-8 months I'll grab some, but it's not a top priority compared to stockpiling LSD, MDA, and maybe trying 4-PrO-DMT or 5-Cl-AMT if they're still available when I go for them.
Oh damn, I never thought about the possibility of 3-HO-PCP & NEP but I can see that combo being really good. 3-me-PCP was pretty nice with methamphetamine. Not quite as good as 3-MeO-PCP + Meth but still pleasant. Dissociative + Stimulant is an underrated combination. Viewing the mania as a sort of teaching expeirence is a great way of framing it. I always chased the mania but as I mentioned, pretty sure I was just trying to self-medicate ADHD. Did some 3-me-PCP yesterday and was craving some when I got home today from work. The craving was a lot easier to handle and ignore and I think that's because my ADHD is finally being medicated.

I've only met one Cathinone that I didn't enjoy and that was only because it was one that was barely active. An interesting class with a pretty wide range of effects. I'm in a similar spot with my stash. I definitely wanna get a stimulant or 2 in there as well as some downers but currently am focusing on psychedelics and dissociatives, thoough I'll probably grab some MDA soon. Was looking at 5-cl-amt yeaterday. Of course lett us know how it is if you do end up aquiring some. Have you ever tried aMT? I finally have been able to get some which is exciting because it's beenn one of my top wants for many, many years. Don't know when I'll have the chance to try it though. I'm on a few meds I'd have to taper, I think.

A warning about using foxy in the summer, idk where you live but if it's hot be super careful of the hyperthermia. I've mixed 25C-NBOMe with MDA and experienced far less hyperthermia than even a low dose of foxy will induce. Foxy's a very neat drug with a lot to offer, but it really shines as a sex enhancer, or in a kind of scary high dose where it resembles a sort of "feral" take on LSD if that makes sense. I thought my batch was bunk but it turns out I just had a crazy 25I-NBOMe tolerance at the time, so I insufflated 24mg before going to work and oh boy, that was a wild day in the office.
I have heard of 5-MeO-DiPT being described as a sort of "feral" LSD trip, thouggh I dont think that the word feral was used. Same sort of idea though. That's good to know about the hyperthermia. I was completely unaware that that was an issue with that drug. I'm in the PNW but the summers here have been pretty hot, so maybe I'll use it as a fall or winter drug. Moxy was great in the winter. Had many beautiful walks home after multi-hour sex sessions with my then GF while on Moxy then walking home during it's beautiful 2nd phase and watching the stars on those clear nights, and seeing the beautiful halos around the christmas light. I really miss Moxy. Unfortunately I don't have anyone in my life at the moment who I'd care to share an experience like that with. You sure are a trooper being able to survive doing 24mg of 5-MeO-DiPT and going into work. You really are something else lol. I'm pretty sure if I did that I'd end up being committed to the nuthouse.

I was raised in a family big on horror movies and metal music and all that shit, so I find a ton of comfort in listening to Seether and watching 90's horror films, allylescaline also provides a comfort so it's like crossing two big forms of comfort for me, it's truly kickass. I have this weird thing where it takes a ton of energy for me to process things visually, I can watch 10 minutes of a movie with full attention and not tell you how many people were there, what they were doing, what the setting was, etc. because it's so hard for my brain to meaningfully process visual information, so I tend to rewatch one of the same ~250 horror films when I'm looking for something cozy. I suspect it relates to the other weird neurovisual issues I have, weird (fun?) fact here but I have 0% capacity to see the color red, dogs and I have profoundly similar vision. I often find it ironic that as someone who's used more visual-inducing drugs than 99% of people would ever even consider, I can only see the G & B out of RGB hahaha.
It's nice that those both provide a comfort to you. It's funny that you say that about the comfort of the nostalgia of horror films combined with the comfort of allylescaline. I've only done allylescaline once, but it was a trip that I would very much describe as nostalgic and comfy. Got an Airbnb with my best friend when we did Allylescaline. We used to do it all the time but haven't been able to recently. So that was kind of a nostalgic comfort, the sorta slumber party vibe. The big thing for me though was that they had TV at the Airbnb and we had no way to use any streaming services. I haven't seen TV in years, so I found the experience of flipping channels and seeing commercials again to be extremely nostalgic and comforting. Those feelings were amplified by the allylescaline pretty significantly.

It's interesting that you can't see red. What color does your brain process the color red as? Like what do you see when you see a stop sign?
 
Not to me, you haven't. You may have commented on it elsewhere and I haven't seen it. What do you mean by the term "social pathogen"? I've never heard that before
A social pathogen is a disorder of thought transmitted socially, typically placebo/nocebo induced. Dancing plagues historically are a fantastic example, and mass hysteria in countless forms is also a social pathogen. When I administer MDA or MDMA to somebody who has no cultural background with it, they've never read horror stories of some rave hoe's "suicide sunday comedown", they exhibit no noticeable aftereffects. This is using reagent tested compounds, MDA at 90mg, MDMA at 125mg, same does for everybody regardless of bodyweight. I suspect that people sort of placebo themselves into the aftereffects to some degree.
Have you ever tried coleus before? I tried it a few times as a youth because I had read that some cultures considered coleus to be male and salvia to be female. Never got anything from it, unfortunately. Beautiful plant, though. I think the reason that most people seem to have never had a positive experience with it is that they've never gone in to the experience respecting salvia as an entity. Once I met the salvia entity and learned the sort of respect that she commands, every trip has been interesting and fairly positive.
I used to cultivate coleus actually, I've sure chewed a lot of that shit. Smoking it was never super effective compared to chewing it for long periods, some cultivars are totally inert, some are very active, some are slightly active, but one thing that always stood out to me was that between the active cultivars there were noticeable differences in qualities. Chewing on "electric wizard" and then later chewing "red sunset" would provide two different experiences that were consistent within the cultivar, the electric wizard one was my favorite personally, felt like LSD's electricity embedded in salvia. In contrast, salvia is an overwhelmingly same-y experience imo, though I sure do adore it. I suspect that the aforementioned social pathogen thing has fucked up a lot of peoples' vibes with salvia, too many high schoolers around 2005 bought 120x salvia extract at a smoke shop and took a huge rip at a public function, freaked out and gave it a bad name and now all people think of salvia is as some sort of "horror" drug. If optics could be reset on things like benzos, ice, salvia, PCP and analogs, 25X-NBXX compounds, DOx compounds, and others I'm sure people would find significantly more value in them.
I also absolutely adored FXE. It was everything that I wished Ketamine was. Probabky went through a couple of ounces of FXE
FXE is the bees' knees, I've often referred to it as "ketamine if ketamine didn't have a severe learning disability". I had 9g of it total and it was significantly more transformative than the 14g of ketamine I consumed around the same time. Did you also notice FXE had a lot in common with PCP analogs?
Have you ever tried aMT? I finally have been able to get some which is exciting because it's beenn one of my top wants for many, many years. Don't know when I'll have the chance to try it though. I'm on a few meds I'd have to taper, I think.
I have not tried AMT yet, I would love to give it a shot but the one time I saw it was available anywhere I was not financially stable enough to acquire it. I'm excited to hear about it once you inevitably do get around to trying it!
It's interesting that you can't see red. What color does your brain process the color red as? Like what do you see when you see a stop sign?
Red and brown are identical. Trees, stop signs, fire trucks, most peoples' hair, many humans' skin tone, dirt, blood, etc. are the same color. Khakis, oranges, sand, beige, pumpkins, and copper are the same color. Pink is often identical to white, though sometimes "hot pink" is a barely perceptible light gray.
 
A social pathogen is a disorder of thought transmitted socially, typically placebo/nocebo induced. Dancing plagues historically are a fantastic example, and mass hysteria in countless forms is also a social pathogen. When I administer MDA or MDMA to somebody who has no cultural background with it, they've never read horror stories of some rave hoe's "suicide sunday comedown", they exhibit no noticeable aftereffects. This is using reagent tested compounds, MDA at 90mg, MDMA at 125mg, same does for everybody regardless of bodyweight. I suspect that people sort of placebo themselves into the aftereffects to some degree.
Okay, thats along the lines of what I thought that you meant. I do believe that there's some merit to what you're saying, but I think that individual response and body chemistry is an equal if not bigger factor in things. I do believe that if someone is expecting to have a tough time or are expecting certain effects that they're much more likely to manifest, but I don't think that that's all there is to it. I never really go into rolls expecting to feel like shit because early on in my experimentation I often woke up the next day with an after glow. I personally find MDMA/MDA much less likely to produce suicide sundays than 5-MAPB, 5-APB, MDAI, etc. I think dosage plays a role too. If I keep it to a single, reasonable dose then I almost certainly wont experience much in the way of side effects the day after. If I redose or do monster dosages then odds are that I'm going to experience a difficult comedown and quite possibly a rough day or 2 following the experience.

If optics could be reset on things like benzos, ice, salvia, PCP and analogs, 25X-NBXX compounds, DOx compounds, and others I'm sure people would find significantly more value in them.
100 %. The whole "Salvia YouTube" trend really messed things up for Salvia. That's all of the research that a lot of people did before trying salvia. Most people didn't seem to bother using tools such as erowid or bluelight to share experiences or do research before jumping in and then proceeded to have hellish experiences

FXE is the bees' knees, I've often referred to it as "ketamine if ketamine didn't have a severe learning disability". I had 9g of it total and it was significantly more transformative than the 14g of ketamine I consumed around the same time. Did you also notice FXE had a lot in common with PCP analogs?
I definitely did experience some similarities, especially in terms of stimulation, mania and the sense of profundity that it was capable of producing. The feeling that I was exactly where I needed to be and doing exactly what I was meant to at the moment was strong with FXE as well as PCP analogues. A sense that I was experiencing something profound. I experienced that feeling very often with FXE. Those feelings are far more common for me with PCP analogues than they are with ketamine.

I have not tried AMT yet, I would love to give it a shot but the one time I saw it was available anywhere I was not financially stable enough to acquire it. I'm excited to hear about it once you inevitably do get around to trying it!
Yeah, I paid more than I would have liked to but I figured I should pull the trigger just for the sake of having it. I'll definitely posy about it when I try it but I have no idea when that might be

Red and brown are identical. Trees, stop signs, fire trucks, most peoples' hair, many humans' skin tone, dirt, blood, etc. are the same color. Khakis, oranges, sand, beige, pumpkins, and copper are the same color. Pink is often identical to white, though sometimes "hot pink" is a barely perceptible light gray.
That's really interesting. I've always wondered but I've never met someone who was completely unable to see a color
 
I personally find MDMA/MDA much less likely to produce suicide sundays than 5-MAPB, 5-APB, MDAI, etc.
Interesting, out of the list of RCs here I've only used 5-APB, about 3 grams of that shit that was a full dose around 65mg for some reason. It was super fine, white powder with a slightly bitter taste, if I dig around I can find melting point and reagent test results from the sample.
Those feelings are far more common for me with PCP analogues than they are with ketamine.
I'm currently going as hard with MXPCP as possible to get a feel for its character and it's more of a dreamy, silly sedative, nostalgia-ish dissociative, very euphoric and it mixed well with MDMB-4en-PINACA, THC-O, HHC, Bupropion, caffeine and promethazine so far. Might add a serotonergic.
 
I'm currently going as hard with MXPCP as possible to get a feel for its character and it's more of a dreamy, silly sedative, nostalgia-ish dissociative, very euphoric and it mixed well with MDMB-4en-PINACA, THC-O, HHC, Bupropion, caffeine and promethazine so far. Might add a serotonergic.
I'm very happy to hear it :) y'all enjoy and be safe! Let us know how things go.I LOVE dissociativeswith that nostalgic feeling. I can't wait. I typically do the same when I first try a dissociative. Go as hard as I can to try and figure it out. The beautiful and strange thing about dissociatives is that the more that I try to characterize them, the more chaotic that their characteristics become. Such a flexible class of drugs.The only class where I can take the same drug a dozen times and each times feels like it could be a different drug. Even psychedelics aren't quite as malleable in my experience, though they probably take second place in that race
 
The beautiful and strange thing about dissociatives is that the more that I try to characterize them, the more chaotic that their characteristics become. Such a flexible class of drugs.The only class where I can take the same drug a dozen times and each times feels like it could be a different drug. Even psychedelics aren't quite as malleable in my experience, though they probably take second place in that race
It's so funny you mention this, 3-MeO-PCP dilates my pupils whereas 3-HO-PCP, 3-HO-PCE and 3-MeO-2'-Oxo-PCP all constrict my pupils. Does this align for you too?

Edit: The more I thought about your classification of dissos as producing super novel experiences, I realized how nuanced this gets. Carisoprodol, some benzos and opioids, cannabinoids, psychedelics, empathogens, methamphetamine, 4F-MPH, and NEP, but not other drugs would fall into the "consistently produce novel experiences" category for me so far. What an interesting concept.
 
I haven't done a lot of experimentation yet, but as someone who has made extensive use of 3-x-pcx nasal sprays, this one seems pretty promising at around 50mg/ml (~ 5mg/spray). Will report back with greater detail in a few days.


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Very easy to get yourself into trouble trying to hole with this. It does not impair your motility or speech nearly as much as it does your ability to be aware of what you are doing from moment to moment. ie psychotic behavior will present before you hole. Ask me how I know rofl [nobody was harmed during the execution of my poor decisions].

tldr; DO NOT push the dose. Seriously.​

 
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Still feeling out a proper trip report but after a full day of playing with my nasal spray I would describe it as dangerously functional. I feel like my fingers are plugged directly into the aether and my brain is running at 150% efficiency. With one or two 5mg sprays into each nostril the urge to redose comes on around two hours if I am busy being productive and maybe every 30 minutes once I start fucking around hedonistically — and it is very hedonistic, conducive to creativity and socializing in a very pushy manic sort of way. I agree that it is on the colder side as they say but I like to call it crunchy, like every neuron is firing at once. My skin tingles and my joints are crackling. I have a colossal dissociative tolerance; a less seasoned psychonaut might experience these effects with 1 or 2mg sprays. It might even be S-tier therapeutic at 500mcg sprays if one were blessed with the self-control required to be responsible with it.
 
I think this one has a lot of depth to it. I have to respectfully disagree. However it's depth is something kind of different. It's more embodied, hedonic and ecstatic, and trance oriented. It also has this slightly empathogenic feel with the right frame of mind, set, and setting is fantastic for catharsis in combo with the dissociation, detachment, and mental spaciousness which is an uncommon thing when it's all put together. It can be very spiritual, just not I am in unity with God kind of spiritual. More like a shamanic expressive movement and verbal type of thing. When I pushed the dose high I found that there was no separation between the doer and the doing or the speaker and the spoken which is it's own type of unity and spiritual state. Without the proper mindset or preparation or guardrails this could just become impulsivity and mania. Caution is warranted at the upper end of dosing. This one is a great tool to have for emotional and spiritual work but it takes a different frame of mind.

And no lie, it can also just be great fun for listening to music and moving around and socializing. Careful with that last one, I called up a buddy who doesn't do any stuff like this at a peak state and went on in a highly charged emotional state going on and on about the spiritual and divine. He called it a transcendent state. I was a touch embarrassed when I sobered up but everything was fine. As I recalled the conversation and talked to him about it when I was sober it was actually all very coherent and genuinely spiritual, not just pure mania and ranting which is fascinating. Even when I get piss ass drunk I don't drunk dial even when I was much younger so this was highly out of character. For some less inhibited than me it is very easy to imagine how this could get bad.

This one goes great with MAL for exploring spiritual states. Intense catharsis and God devotion and emotional surrender. It also has the potential for saying or doing stupid stuff if not careful and familiar with altered states. There was a lot of extra heart opening, warmth, and activation from MAL.
 
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Hi everybody, this is my first time posting here, but i know this forum for a looong time. So today i recived MXPCP
" (2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(piperidin-1-yl)cyclohexan-1-one ". This is what the label says. Its a nice big white crystal.
I scaled out 25 mg. snorted a little line. There´s a little burn, but it makes the nose free lol. It has a very nice rush and fast onset. I´m home on my couch
so i just let the substance take hold. It´s a fast warm rush which lasts about 10 mins. I just sat up, to write this report. The MXPCP made me do it lol.
Now I´m confy on my couch, smoking a joint, and feelin´good. Very nice.
 
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