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Psynaught

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I just saw a mention of Opia pills in another thread. Apparently they are a concentrated form of Kratom. I have been taking 4.5 grams of Kratom 5 days a week for a few years now, with no need to increase dosage or frequency. I also have a stash of Fent, Oxy, and Tramadol. Had this stash for a couple of years now, have never abused.

I only take a real opiod about once a week, usually only if I feel like crap. For example, right now I have long Covid and took a Tramadol last night and felt a ton better. Not saying I cannot/will not get addicted. I read this forum and you guys do a great job scaring me snitless about Opiod addiction.

My question is, would taking an Opia pill....or half of one, once a week cause problems? I never take more than 5 grams of Kratom a day.
 
DONT TAKE!! I'll just let you know that it will not hurt you taking that much, considering I take 100 to 150 mg's a day. I didn't plan on this though because before i got hooked on 7-oh, I was taking about 10 powder kratom capsules a day. And one day I stopped at my local vape shop and a 7-oh pill was behind the counter and asked him about that, and he said its like kratom, which it is in kratom in small amounts naturally which im sure you know and bought the pill thinking i could just take one of these a day instead of 10 powder capsules. But this was a BIG mistake I made. The reason I say this is because I was maintaining opioid withdrawal from the capsules for about 5 years. And once I took 1 15 mg 7-oh tablet, I was instantly hooked. I prayed to God that day to not let me get addicted to this please dear Lord. And here I am many months later addicted, but God I know has His plan of working things out for His glory, but that's for a different discussion. So if you see this message and haven't taken the opia pill yet. I WOULDN'T, if your concerned about addiction!! Because to me I think it's overall side effects are better than oxycodone but slightly less than fentanyl compared to the high and side effects. I used to shoot heroin back in 2015 ish. And this stuff is harder to quit in my opinion. You never get nauseous off of it and you don't get headaches like with regular opioids and my eyes dont get sore like with a lot of opioids.It does cause constipation. If your asking will it cause problems in the addiction sense, yes for sure!! But its overall side effects are better than regular opioids. So I wouldn't recommend it in that case "if" you may become addicted. But if your trying to feel pretty good well 15 mg is all it took for me after just taking powder capsules for 5 years. I've worked up a tolerance to this stuff, but its weird, your tolerance drops down like really fast. Please don't try!! Ive spent probably 3000 dollars in the past couple months on the stuff roughly so if that tells you anything. Remember if you do think about taking it, it doesn't cause severe respiratory depression like other opioids and it has a celing. But in "my opinion" id just rather have these 30mg tabs of 7-oh I got as to SHOOTING heroin. But it does have positives like I said with the side effects compared to other opioids. Hope this answers your question. If not sorry about that. And remember don't try 7-oh if you think you may become addicted, because I think its the best opioid/non opioid as to not coming off of a opium poppy ive ever experienced and fentanyl is the only better feeling out there in opioid terms that is and just equivalent to heroin to me. Thanks for listening.
 
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DONT TAKE!! I'll just let you know that it will not hurt you taking that much, considering I take 100 to 150 mg's a day. I didn't plan on this though because before i got hooked on 7-oh, I was taking about 10 powder kratom capsules a day. And one day I stopped at my local vape shop and a 7-oh pill was behind the counter and asked him about that, and he said its like kratom, which it is in kratom in small amounts naturally which im sure you know and bought the pill thinking i could just take one of these a day instead of 10 powder capsules. But this was a BIG mistake I made. The reason I say this is because I was maintaining opioid withdrawal from the capsules for about 5 years. And once I took 1 15 mg 7-oh tablet, I was instantly hooked. I prayed to God that day to not let me get addicted to this please dear Lord. And here I am many months later addicted, but God I know has His plan of working things out for His glory, but that's for a different discussion. So if you see this message and haven't taken the opia pill yet. I WOULDN'T, if your concerned about addiction!! Because to me I think it's overall side effects are better than oxycodone but slightly less than fentanyl compared to the high and side effects. I used to shoot heroin back in 2015 ish. And this stuff is harder to quit in my opinion. You never get nauseous off of it and you don't get headaches like with regular opioids and my eyes dont get sore like with a lot of opioids.It does cause constipation. If your asking will it cause problems in the addiction sense, yes for sure!! But its overall side effects are better than regular opioids. So I wouldn't recommend it in that case "if" you may become addicted. But if your trying to feel pretty good well 15 mg is all it took for me after just taking powder capsules for 5 years. I've worked up a tolerance to this stuff, but its weird, your tolerance drops down like really fast. Please don't try!! Ive spent probably 3000 dollars in the past couple months on the stuff roughly so if that tells you anything. Remember if you do think about taking it, it doesn't cause severe respiratory depression like other opioids and it has a celing. But in "my opinion" id just rather have these 30mg tabs of 7-oh I got as to SHOOTING heroin. But it does have positives like I said with the side effects compared to other opioids. Hope this answers your question. If not sorry about that. And remember don't try 7-oh if you think you may become addicted, because I think its the best opioid/non opioid as to not coming off of a opium poppy ive ever experienced and fentanyl is the only better feeling out there in opioid terms that is and just equivalent to heroin to me. Thanks for listening.
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Thanks for the warning! I actually have fentanyl but hardley ever take it. The high just is not very good, although it is excellent for actual pain relief. I have Oxys too, but take them maybe once, twice a month tops. I do take 7-9 of the .6 kratom powder caps a day 5 days a week and have not had problems with those.

But it sounds like the 7oH tabs are nearly as good as Oxy's and highly addictive so I had better limit those to once a week. From what you are saying, don't swap them out for the 5 grams of Kratom I currently take 5 days a week.

I will treat these like a real opiod. I have Long Covid and Krtam/opiods make me feels better but I have been keeping iPod use to a minimum and only taking Kratom. Being keeping the Kratom under 4 grams a day (one dose at night) and just feeling miserable throuougt the day.
 
Hey first time posting here, I have used powdered leaf for a long time to control pain (like 15 years), as well as occasional oxy / Odsmt etc. As was just said above, this stuff is quite moreish, much more addictive than kratom, but as long as you consciously maintain awareness of its potential (basically like oxy or morphine) and really consciously limit yourself it can be used safely I think, but as soon as you start getting strong cravings I'd tell you to bin it, just in case.
I found it to be a really beautiful chemical for occasional use, but I refused to share with a friend who lacks self control. Make of that what you will.
 
Hey, just throwing out a question here. You say you have long COVID and that taking the kratom makes you feel better? I believe you also said you take kratom 5 days a week and have for a long time? Plus other opioids on occasion.
I'm just wondering if it is possible that the symptoms you are feeling are actually withdrawal to some degree. Kind of seems plausible: take addictive drug for 5 days, stop and feel bad, take it again and feel better. Maybe it's a low grade withdrawal symptom because you take a low dose? Dunno, seems possible.
I want to assure you that I am not trying to minimize the possibility that you might have Long COVID. It's is a real thing and is awful and you know your body and health history better than me. But it's a thought.
Regardless, I kinda don't think 7-oh is a good idea for you. You seem great at keeping your drug use low and you clearly don't want it to get out of hand. And 7-oh would make for a pretty big jump in kratom-type intake. ❤️
 
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Psynaught said:
Thanks for the warning! I actually have fentanyl but hardley ever take it. The high just is not very good, although it is excellent for actual pain relief. I have Oxys too, but take them maybe once, twice a month tops. I do take 7-9 of the .6 kratom powder caps a day 5 days a week and have not had problems with those.

But it sounds like the 7oH tabs are nearly as good as Oxy's and highly addictive so I had better limit those to once a week. From what you are saying, don't swap them out for the 5 grams of Kratom I currently take 5 days a week.
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Hey, just throwing out a question here. You say you have long COVID and that taking the kratom makes you feel better? I believe you also said you take kratom 5 days a week and have for a long time? Plus other opioids on occasion.
I'm just wondering if it is possible that the symptoms you are feeling are actually withdrawal to some degree. Kind of seems plausible: take addictive drug for 5 days, stop and feel bad, take it again and feel better. Maybe it's a low grade withdrawal symptom because you take a low dose? Dunno, seems possible.
I want to assure you that I am not trying to minimize the possibility that you might have Long COVID. It's is a real thing and is awful and you know your body and health history better than me. But it's a thought.
Regardless, I kinda don't think 7-oh is a good idea for you. You seem great at keeping your drug use low and you clearly don't want it to get out of hand. And 7-oh would make for a pretty big jump in kratom-type intake. ❤️
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I got clean and sober at age 35 (alcohol, cocaine, and meth abuse...actually stopped drinking at 27) and didn't touch anything until age 55. Started smoking pot but ironically hated it and stopped. I am fortunate as to never developed an opiod habit but I stay super paranoid based on everything I read/hear/see. It is actually not paranoia, my fear of opioids is rational.

I am on Seroquel and also take Zepbound (weight loss drug) in small amounts and there is research that suggests that the Zepbound works against addictions.

I definitely had long Covid, tested positive for Covid, but now seem to be feeling better. I have thought about that (mild addiction) but I think the reality is just that I am old and just don't feel good like I did when younger. During the last 3 plus weeks of Covid I only took a real opiod on 3 (maybe 4) occasions. One night I took a real Oxy, then on 2 other nights I took a Tramadol. Let night I toyed with the idea of taking a Tramadol, but I just took 4 grams of Kratom and some Robitussin. Did not have a coughing fit or severe nausea. I think the long Covid is lifting.

I do think about possibly having a mild addiction....but keep in mind I only take 4.5 grams of Kratom once at night. Never take it during the day. I have not increased my dosage at all over the last few years. I also take ecstasy once, maybe twice a month and then a Xanax to come down.

I've had a Tramadol stash for more than 4 years. I think one bottle last me a year or two. I've had the Oxy stash for more than a year and the Fentanyl for 8-9 months. I rarely take those 2. Fentanyl sucks as a high, it is only good for pain relief. Now the Oxy's...those are great highs but I use them so infrequently.
 
chippermonk said:
Hey, just throwing out a question here. You say you have long COVID and that taking the kratom makes you feel better? I believe you also said you take kratom 5 days a week and have for a long time? Plus other opioids on occasion.
I'm just wondering if it is possible that the symptoms you are feeling are actually withdrawal to some degree. Kind of seems plausible: take addictive drug for 5 days, stop and feel bad, take it again and feel better. Maybe it's a low grade withdrawal symptom because you take a low dose? Dunno, seems possible.
I want to assure you that I am not trying to minimize the possibility that you might have Long COVID. It's is a real thing and is awful and you know your body and health history better than me. But it's a thought.
Regardless, I kinda don't think 7-oh is a good idea for you. You seem great at keeping your drug use low and you clearly don't want it to get out of hand. And 7-oh would make for a pretty big jump in kratom-type intake. ❤️
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Already ordered it, LOL. But yes, the plan is only once a week.
 
Yeah for sure, its awesome for my breakthrough pain, but its got some serious dopamine release kratom does not come close, also the withdrawal will be pretty short but its really bad compared to kratom cause it still has that same serotonin release I believe, just really strong, and then add to that the dopamine re-enforcing your desire to use can be pretty bad for some people. Great for bad pain days though, good luck.
 
The primary ingredient in the opia pills is 7-hydroxymitragynine, which is one of the primary metabolites of kratom. Yeah, it's essentially just concentrated kratom like any other extract, but the opioid effects are much stronger when taking 7-ohm extracts.

It sounds like you already have a bit of an opioid habit or dependence if you take kratom regularly. This will be more potent than regular kratom leaf, but not as strong as like fentanyl or Dilaudid.

It's still fairly strong opioid though and should be treated as such, like esperighanto said. I would just be wary of taking it regularly because it will definitely jack your tolerance up to kratom and opioids in general. If you can stick to taking it once a week like you do the other opioids, that would be ideal.

I get it, I mean I've been using kratom for over ten years now for various issues. 7ohm is definitely a different animal though. It's expensive as shit and can definitely get it's hooks in you, so just tread carefully. I'm trying to cut down myself now, and it is definitely difficult mentally and physically.

Also, if you're in the states, the basically just passed some legislation that will probably ban most of those products from being sold. So keep that in mind and don't expect to be able to access it forever.
 
chippermonk said:
Ha! I'm pretty cautious, too, and here I am recommending against it, yet I ordered some myself. 😆
Good luck!
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Not to be overconfident, but years ago someone online was arguing with me that my use of Kratom was going to lead to addiction and despair. Ironically, when I first started using it I took 6-7 grams a day, but now I use less.

I was also told when I bought Fentanyl (by accident) 9 months ago that I would be homeless by now. But, actually, I am glad that such people put a big scare into me. I know several people who have died from opioids. I used to have a connection to real Oxy ( I still have about 30 or so left) and he has just disappeared from the Earth. I am hoping he was imprisoned and is not dead.

But not everyone develops problems. I am trying to stay on that side of the coin.
 
Psynaught said:
Not to be overconfident, but years ago someone online was arguing with me that my use of Kratom was going to lead to addiction and despair. It was a woman who ran an expensive recovery business. Ironically, when I first started using it I took 6-7 grams a day, but now I use less.

I was also told when I bought Fentanyl (by accident) 9 months ago that I would be homeless by now. Still living with my wife and she is still denying me sex. :ROFLMAO:

But, actually, I am glad that such people put a big scare into me. I know several people who have died from opioids. I used to have a connection to real Oxy ( I still have about 30 or so left) and he has just disappeared from the Earth. I am hoping he was imprisoned and is not dead.

But not everyone develops problems. I am trying to stay on that side of the coin.
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Psynaught said:
Thanks for the warning! I actually have fentanyl but hardley ever take it. The high just is not very good, although it is excellent for actual pain relief. I have Oxys too, but take them maybe once, twice a month tops. I do take 7-9 of the .6 kratom powder caps a day 5 days a week and have not had problems with those.

But it sounds like the 7oH tabs are nearly as good as Oxy's and highly addictive so I had better limit those to once a week. From what you are saying, don't swap them out for the 5 grams of Kratom I currently take 5 days a week.

I will treat these like a real opiod. I have Long Covid and Krtam/opiods make me feels better but I have been keeping iPod use to a minimum and only taking Kratom. Being keeping the Kratom under 4 grams a day (one dose at night) and just feeling miserable throuougt the day.
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Yea dont swap them out.Just take the regular kratom if you can.I can't see how that's even possible how you can hold on to fentanyl and oxy's and not take them. Im proud of somebody that can do that.
 
chippermonk said:
Hey, just throwing out a question here. You say you have long COVID and that taking the kratom makes you feel better? I believe you also said you take kratom 5 days a week and have for a long time? Plus other opioids on occasion.
I'm just wondering if it is possible that the symptoms you are feeling are actually withdrawal to some degree. Kind of seems plausible: take addictive drug for 5 days, stop and feel bad, take it again and feel better. Maybe it's a low grade withdrawal symptom because you take a low dose? Dunno, seems possible.
I want to assure you that I am not trying to minimize the possibility that you might have Long COVID. It's is a real thing and is awful and you know your body and health history better than me. But it's a thought.
Regardless, I kinda don't think 7-oh is a good idea for you. You seem great at keeping your drug use low and you clearly don't want it to get out of hand. And 7-oh would make for a pretty big jump in kratom-type intake. ❤️
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I think your on to something cause when you stop kratom it feels like regular opioid withdrawal, but not as intense depending on dose, which some people compare hardcore withdrawal to like 5 to 10 times worse than the flu and I can attest to that cause I came off 80 mgs a day of methadone going to the methadone clinic for four years, and then I went to jail for 4 months. And the withdrawals from that were flu like symptoms. And covid is similar to the flu. So yea I agree that psynaught could be going through minor kratom/opioid withdrawals.
 
infamous1k said:
Yea dont swap them out.Just take the regular kratom if you can.I can't see how that's even possible how you can hold on to fentanyl and oxy's and not take them. Im proud of somebody that can do that.
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It happens. I have a friend who has shoulder and knee replacement. He will just take an Oxy whenever he needs it which is not every day. Dr's assume everyone is an addict, but most people are not.

Reading this forum keeps me scared snitless.
 
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