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Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

TL;DR: You'll get higher off knowing you didn't try it than you ever will trying it.


Just wanted to share my story in hopes someone might see it and think twice.

I got caught up on and off on oxycodone for a couple years, one day in minor withdrawals stupid me read a newscorp article about how "people are buying drugs off evil Vietnamese men on this exact street!!!" so I went down, found a sketchy looking Vietnamese man right where they said I would and got on. Sketchiest experience of my life (and i've had my share).

Kept it for a few days knowing it was gonna be a turning point (and a little scared of od'ing). Ended up flushing it. To this day there's very few things i'm as proud of as that decision.

If you're on the fence, not much will deter you but just know this; the feeling you will one day have of knowing "I could have done it and I didn't" is fucking incredible. Even if you're just contemplating it, or you know a guy that's got it or you're looking at it on your dnm thingy, being able to look back and say "wow I didn't go through with it" puts you in an elite club of which there are very few members.

Sometimes I'll just randomly remember that and it's almost a high in an of itself. Opiate highs don't last, but I'll be getting high on knowing that I flushed that shit till the day I die.
 
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Should someone try Heroin? My Dad's friend did 41 years ago, my Dad tried to help him, a year later my Dad tried Heroin - 40 years and many jail sentences, deaths, chaos, two destroyed families later he is a 60 year old addict with not a single day sober aside from in a jail cell. I saw all this and saw the way his addiction took him away from us as a father, not physically but emotionally and intimately, I saw the way his addiction ruined my Mom (she has never touched a drug her entire life aside from speed when she was 19, and is still with my Dad to this day), I saw my uncles die from overdose, I saw the police raids, then low and behold I tried Heroin. It very quickly took away everything I had - literally everything but my Mom, she stuck with me, even though I broke her heart every single day.

Heroin has no positives, it is the darkest drug I have ever came in contact with. I truly believe it has a darkness attached to it, it fools you at first - it fixes every issue you have (or it did for me) I found the thing that made me feel happy - but not too long later I turned into a horror show, I cared for nothing else, I did things to get what I needed that I never thought I would - things I still hate myself for. Things I can never forget and my penance for those things is the daily torture of remembering them and the hatred I have for myself because of these things. Heroin will ruin you but not only you, it will ruin everyone you love, everyone who loves you, and you will never be the same again. Even when you're clean and sober. You can't forget. You will do things in order to score that you think you will never do. Heroin has destroyed me - I used to be happy, I used to love myself, I used to be a good son and good friend. I stole all of that from family and friends - I've hurt people who will never forgive me and I don't blame them.

I truly believe it has some kind of sentience, some kind of function inherent to it and a purpose - its the work of an evil energy (whatever you want to call it) put on this earth the bring people to the darkness, it invites darkness into your world.

I beg anybody reading this to never try it, not once. However, I know if you want to you will. You will learn - you will learn quickly. Once you try H you sign a contract that you can't just walk away from, you WILL have to pay the piper and he will make sure you pay in full.
 
Ok so... I know that heroin is a very addictive and dangerous substance to mess around with if you're not careful, you've got to be very careful with heroin. But if you take all the precautions necessary, test your stuff, carefully measure the dose and filter it so that it is more pure and less damaging to your body, then it can't be worse than any other substance, right? I personally believe that heroin must probably be an amazing (even beautiful) experience if you do it right. It must be one of THE best feelings a human is capable of feeling, that flood of dopamine along with the analgesia and the sedation must feel UNREAL. I heard the pleasure you experience from it must be overwhelming. I'm thinking it must definitely be a feeling worth experiencing at least once in your life, just to experience something that you'll never forget in your life. And a good memory to look back to (that is, of course, if you can stop yourself from getting addicted to it, which I heard can be hard to do). I do definitely understand why people say it is dangerous because ypu can overdose or get addicted to it, but if you practice safety and harm reduction, maybe it might be an experience worth trying out. I just don't see it as much of a bad thing as most people do. I mean it can't be that bad, right?
It is beautiful at the very start - but the rattle (withdrawals when you have none) is the least of it. That can be dealt with. Its the rest that makes this drug so horribly evil and dark, it literally invites and opens your soul up to true evil. Whether you believe that stuff or not - if you try you will find out and I pray you don't try. Because you will love it, you will think its the answer to everything, but it will ruin you. There is no way on this earth I will ever encourage another person to try it - not even the man who abused me and who I hate with every fibre of my being.

IT IS THAT BAD. It is worse than you can ever begin to imagine, it is worse than anybody can put into words or tell you on this thread. Honestly - there are no words to describe how bad it gets.

Do you really think that you will only try it and experience it once? When it does that very seductive thing it does, you will do it again. Then again, and again and again and again - until you return to this thread years later to warn others away. Do not underestimate the power this substance has. It has ruined generations of my family.

I am sorry if this is coming off as preachy or patronising - I don't mean to - I just hate the thought of another soul being given away to it. Heroin use doesn't start and end when you're ready, Heroin calls the shots. You will stop using when your dead or when its taken everything it needs from you and has nothing more to take. Heroin decides.
 
And also yes one should try it.

It made me pass out face down on a kitchen table once—i couldnt do it without coke to keep me coherent. So it wasnt a long relationship for me.

But others love it before dependency and addiction, and claim its the best feeling on earth.


Why should anyone not experience that at least 1x? Lifes too short to avoid the sins of the flesh. Its like people who wait until age 18+ to have sex. My brain doesnt understand that logic.


if you never flew why would you cut the wings off a butterfly?

Think about that
The risks are just too much to have that one time experience imo - you didn't get addicted by the sounds of it but millions do, have and will. It will ruin them completely.

Curiosity ALWAYS kills the cat.
 
Something weird happens lately with heroin

basically what happens is that unless I don´t use to the point of nodding, if I use less (which I usually prefer because I don´t like to nod and go to sleep and wake up with a headache), I start to get emotional and super depressed.

This is not because is bad stuff, I have tested and it happens to me with different types of heroin and batches.

Basically I have a mild withdrawal so even though I´m feeling good, I have this feeling of over stimulation so I end up taking an opiate to put it down (whether is heroin or kratom, or whatever).

But with heroin I noticed a lot the emotional crush. Once I snort it I instantly get 'low' (instead of high), like I start to get rage, and hopeless, and emotional, and like 'life is shit', etc...

Honestly weirdest shit ever, I started taking opiates to avoid my terrible inner mental health, and now basically they trigger something bad within me. Is not that I become psychotic or anything like that because opiates can´t produce that, but yeah, like I become dysphoric, depressed, low, without hope.
Its the darkness of the drug - the good times are over, it has you now and doesn't need to give you that lovely, euphoric 'everything is right with the world' feeling anymore. Now it is just taking, taking and taking. Hope is lost with regular H use.

I will stop posting here now as people probably think I am being preachy and talking down to people, I really don't mean to, I am a heroin addict myself. I just want others to understand what it is - its more than a physical addiction and deathly withdrawals.

All the best to everyone here and if anybody does decide to use - I pray for you.
 
Possibley away on a tangent, but I've been smoking H since 2010 after getting hooked then cut off on painkillers for a chronic medical problem. I'm in NE Scotland, and there's been a real drought last 2 weeks or so. Even before this you could never guarantee what you're getting and there was "nutazines" iirc that killed 20ish people in a shirt period of time in Birmingham I think last year. Anyway, what I'm saying is if you don't have a habit why start one? Maybe a few years ago you could get something legit, but now it's wild west and Russian roulette all in one. I've stopped and started so many times it makes me sick to think about. But it's what it does to your family and friends that really hurts.
I am from Birmingham UK and the gear is never H anymore - every time I score I test and its nitazenes so I use other means to get actual H. Birmingham is flooded with the shit.
 
Should someone try Heroin? My Dad's friend did 41 years ago, my Dad tried to help him, a year later my Dad tried Heroin - 40 years and many jail sentences, deaths, chaos, two destroyed families later he is a 60 year old addict with not a single day sober aside from in a jail cell. I saw all this and saw the way his addiction took him away from us as a father, not physically but emotionally and intimately, I saw the way his addiction ruined my Mom (she has never touched a drug her entire life aside from speed when she was 19, and is still with my Dad to this day), I saw my uncles die from overdose, I saw the police raids, then low and behold I tried Heroin. It very quickly took away everything I had - literally everything but my Mom, she stuck with me, even though I broke her heart every single day.

Heroin has no positives, it is the darkest drug I have ever came in contact with. I truly believe it has a darkness attached to it, it fools you at first - it fixes every issue you have (or it did for me) I found the thing that made me feel happy - but not too long later I turned into a horror show, I cared for nothing else, I did things to get what I needed that I never thought I would - things I still hate myself for. Things I can never forget and my penance for those things is the daily torture of remembering them and the hatred I have for myself because of these things. Heroin will ruin you but not only you, it will ruin everyone you love, everyone who loves you, and you will never be the same again. Even when you're clean and sober. You can't forget. You will do things in order to score that you think you will never do. Heroin has destroyed me - I used to be happy, I used to love myself, I used to be a good son and good friend. I stole all of that from family and friends - I've hurt people who will never forgive me and I don't blame them.

I truly believe it has some kind of sentience, some kind of function inherent to it and a purpose - its the work of an evil energy (whatever you want to call it) put on this earth the bring people to the darkness, it invites darkness into your world.

I beg anybody reading this to never try it, not once. However, I know if you want to you will. You will learn - you will learn quickly. Once you try H you sign a contract that you can't just walk away from, you WILL have to pay the piper and he will make sure you pay in full.
Man, I was heavily addicted for several years and now volunteer with harm reduction services, and I can tell you there is nothing more depressing, exasperating and ultimately self-defeating than this kind of rhetoric.

PLEASE do yourself a favour and stop MYTHOLOGIZING this drug FFS. I could write a whole damn BOOK on how heroin mythology traps people in addiction.

Heroin isn't some quasi-supernatural entity that can literally enslave you. It doesn't have agency. It is a lifeless chemical sitting in a bag. The only thing it can do TO you is tickle some circuits in your brain and get you high. That's IT.

Any feeling or value you attach to that high, any compulsion you have to repeat the rewarding experience, are a product of your own damn mind and nothing else. A drug does not and physically CANNOT have some arcane 'power' over you. YOU developed an obsessive attachment to that drug.

Neither does heroin inherently contain any supreme pleasure like an orange contains vitamin C.
No drug does. If this were the case then anyone who ever took it would be hopelessly addicted and this is clearly not the case. You can't administer any drug to anyone and get a predictable response.

Several mates of mine loved cocaine and said it made them feel like God.
It never produced anything for me but brutal paranoia and a sense of panic. Those same people couldn't see the point of heroin or other opiates because they did nothing for them. One actually asked me outright 'what is the point of taking this shit'.

So for one, your individual brain chemistry has to 'click' with a particular drug in order for you to get pleasure.

Therefore the idea that anyone who ever tries THIS specific one will become addicted is a myth that neither research data nor my own experience bears out. This despite me being the walking cliche that had an epiphany at the first shot.

But I met plenty others who never got anything from it. Plenty more who have been on-and-off users for years and never been addicted nor feel the need to increase their consumption.

It is also a myth that you will never stop craving.
I know a guy who was on the needle for a solid 17 years and now he doesn't even think about it anymore. My professional work in turn shows me that he is far from a unicorn outlier. People absolutely do just get OVER heroin and leave that period of obsession behind.

If you are 'clean' and still feel the pull, then you haven't gotten over that obsession yet. I have been there as well. And unsurprisingly the worst thing 'helpful' people could have possibly told me is that there was no way I ever WOULD get over it. It pretty much ensured I didn't for a long long time after I could have. Because once you believe that, once you buy that narrative and interpret your personal desires as something that's controlled by some outside force, this WILL become your reality.

In behavioural science we know this as a concept called 'response expectancy', meaning that the way you believe you will inevitably act or feel in a given situation predicts that this is exactly how you will act and feel.

People are also obviously as hopelessly hooked on meth, crack, alcohol or anything else you care to think of as others are on heroin. There's nothing unique to heroin in that respect, apart from what we talk into being and proceed to treat as a 'fact'.

Finally, you tellingly mention that it helped 'fix things' for you, at least temporarily. If I've learned anything it's that there is no surer path to addiction than relying on a substance to manage your emotions or help you deal with life.

I became addicted after a good stretch of enjoying heroin recreationally as a 'special treat' without incidence once some shit in my life went south and I started depending on it to cope.
It went from indulgence to vital necessity. The drug was still the same. The only thing that had changed was my mindset regarding it.

And on the way back out -? I freed myself from my addiction when I realised for a fact that a drug cannot 'control' me or force its own use, and that what shackled and drove me was a product of my own brain.
 
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Man, I was heavily addicted for several years and now volunteer with harm reduction services, and I can tell you there is nothing more depressing, exasperating and ultimately self-defeating than this kind of rhetoric.

PLEASE do yourself a favour and stop MYTHOLOGIZING this drug FFS. I could write a whole damn BOOK on how heroin mythology traps people in addiction.

Heroin isn't some quasi-supernatural entity that can literally enslave you. It doesn't have agency. It is a lifeless chemical sitting in a bag. The only thing it can do TO you is tickle some circuits in your brain and get you high. That's IT.

Any feeling or value you attach to that high, any compulsion you have to repeat the rewarding experience, are a product of your own damn mind and nothing else. A drug does not and physically CANNOT have some arcane 'power' over you. YOU developed an obsessive attachment to that drug.

Neither does heroin inherently contain any supreme pleasure like an orange contains vitamin C.
No drug does. If this were the case then anyone who ever took it would be hopelessly addicted and this is clearly not the case. You can't administer any drug to anyone and get a predictable response.

Several mates of mine loved cocaine and said it made them feel like God.
It never produced anything for me but brutal paranoia and a sense of panic. Those same people couldn't see the point of heroin or other opiates because they did nothing for them. One actually asked me outright 'what is the point of taking this shit'.

So for one, your individual brain chemistry has to 'click' with a particular drug in order for you to get pleasure.

Therefore the idea that anyone who ever tries THIS specific one will become addicted is a myth that neither research data nor my own experience bears out. This despite me being the walking cliche that had an epiphany at the first shot.

But I met plenty others who never got anything from it. Plenty more who have been on-and-off users for years and never been addicted nor feel the need to increase their consumption.

It is also a myth that you will never stop craving.
I know a guy who was on the needle for a solid 17 years and now he doesn't even think about it anymore. My professional work in turn shows me that he is far from a unicorn outlier. People absolutely do just get OVER heroin and leave that period of obsession behind.

If you are 'clean' and still feel the pull, then you haven't gotten over that obsession yet. I have been there as well. And unsurprisingly the worst thing 'helpful' people could have possibly told me is that there was no way I ever WOULD get over it. It pretty much ensured I didn't for a long long time after I could have. Because once you believe that, once you buy that narrative and interpreted your personal desires as something that's controlled by some outside force, this WILL become your reality.

In behavioural science we know this as a concept called 'response expectancy', meaning that the way you believe you will inevitably act or feel in a given situation predicts that this is exactly how you will act and feel.

People are also obviously as hopelessly hooked on meth, crack, alcohol or anything else you care to think of as others are on heroin. There's nothing unique to heroin in that respect, apart from what we talk into being and proceed to treat as a 'fact'.

Finally, you tellingly mention that it helped 'fix things' for you, at least temporarily. If I've learned anything is that there is no surer path to addiction than relying on a substance to manage your emotions or help you deal with life.

I became addicted after a good stretch of enjoying heroin recreationally as a 'special treat' without incidence once some shit in my life went south and I started depending on it to cope.
It went from indulgence to vital necessity. The drug was still the same. The only thing that had changed was my mindset regarding it.

And on the way back out -? I freed myself from my addiction when I realised for a fact that a drug cannot 'control' me or force its own use, and that what shackled and drove me was a product of my own brain.
Thank you for your reply, I will read it properly and give a proper response when I finish with taking care of my brother's kids for the afternoon.

Thank you though, a quick read through had me thinking and considering my own posts pre your reply.
 
@justme6263

And here's a thought experiment for you, one that I like to use with people I am trying to help out because it really drives the point home.

Addiction often gets referred to as a mental illness or worse, a brain disease. It is neither. It is an obsessive behaviour pattern; a fixation. At its worst it is conditioning.

To compare addictive behaviour to a GENUINE mental illness or organic brain dysfunction :

picture on the one hand an alcoholic about to raise a bottle to his lips, a heroin addict in the act of inserting the needle.
Picture on the other hand a schizophrenic experiencing an hallucination, or an epileptic about to suffer a seizure.

Now a man comes up to these people, gun in hand, and says he will shoot them dead if they do not stop what they are doing or are about to do.

Do you think the epileptic can prevent himself from having a seizure? Or the schizophrenic make himself snap out of the hallucination by sheer willpower, no matter how motivated by the immediate threat of loss of life -?

Do you think the alcoholic on the other hand wouldn't be perfectly capable of putting down the drink, the junkie refrain from injecting himself -?

... And it does not matter in this scenario whether these hypothetical people would resume drinking / drugging the moment the threat passes. What matters is that they (unlike the other cohort) have choice and agency over what their body does. They do NOT (objectively) somehow involuntarily administer substances to themselves, regardless of how driven they might (subjectively) feel.
 
I read the above two posts and that was one of the best things in my life that I have ever read.

I still don't know how such writing can leave me in such amazement.

I guess that can happen when you can figure out what you know .... or actually can know.


We were just kind of talking about this irl. Getting demonized was our conclusion before I twisted it and redirected to my

own amazing feelings from my perspective.


And was and is that there is a power that I have mercy on to have a stronger will ... that I want to have .... and to want to not be

influenced by any more evil powers or ways than I want to or have to be or have to have influence from or be involved with or

near at all or whenever possible. Or have to find a way not to.



Well I mean trying to address the issue for a second or two and I was able somehow with someone irl too. It's great.

You have to change your habits and lifestyle. You have to learn how to want to know what healthy is and really feels like.


You have to learn how to be able to know and really want the best for yourself that you possibly can want and can be.

You just have to focus on this .... and all of this because you want to and will be able to know what is the best thing for you.

You have to look after yourself to feel strong and good and healthy and the best that you can want for yourself.


You can't help anyone else really. If you can't even help your own well being is what it all IS after everything is said and done.

And you don't start by saying i can't i cant' i can't.You just have to know that you have to change the way that you look at your

own life. And own it. And make your life your habit that you want for the better.


And to be safe and healthy. Not poison yourself and your life and others around you and everyone else and it all with toxins that

destroy you and to take out the rest of the world too with those illnesses and self hate and crimes. And I too am not saying this

about H itself but I am saying it about all of the ill respite that there ever is and was. Overindulgence of sickness. But anyway

you have to be careful and avoid it. Before it even happens. Or you just don't know or don't want to. Do you realize that you can

harm and destroy your own self and be this way too.



How awful to have to feel neglected sick and sad. ( Like the fly that is buzzing around where it shouldn't be. And I am going to

spray it.)


Don't do that to yourself in this world. You deserve to really be able to treat yourself better than instead how you are making

yourself worse instead. And be with others that are better also.


Talk about writing for twenty minutes or so. But it is a scary focus. Thanks. Thanks for doing better and that you can do better.

Don't manipulate the situations. Just go ahead and avoid everything and just straight up do it. The right way. The better way. The

best that you can be to you. It's your life and it's your way. And it's your power.
 
Should someone try Heroin? My Dad's friend did 41 years ago, my Dad tried to help him, a year later my Dad tried Heroin - 40 years and many jail sentences, deaths, chaos, two destroyed families later he is a 60 year old addict with not a single day sober aside from in a jail cell. I saw all this and saw the way his addiction took him away from us as a father, not physically but emotionally and intimately, I saw the way his addiction ruined my Mom (she has never touched a drug her entire life aside from speed when she was 19, and is still with my Dad to this day), I saw my uncles die from overdose, I saw the police raids, then low and behold I tried Heroin. It very quickly took away everything I had - literally everything but my Mom, she stuck with me, even though I broke her heart every single day.

Heroin has no positives, it is the darkest drug I have ever came in contact with. I truly believe it has a darkness attached to it, it fools you at first - it fixes every issue you have (or it did for me) I found the thing that made me feel happy - but not too long later I turned into a horror show, I cared for nothing else, I did things to get what I needed that I never thought I would - things I still hate myself for. Things I can never forget and my penance for those things is the daily torture of remembering them and the hatred I have for myself because of these things. Heroin will ruin you but not only you, it will ruin everyone you love, everyone who loves you, and you will never be the same again. Even when you're clean and sober. You can't forget. You will do things in order to score that you think you will never do. Heroin has destroyed me - I used to be happy, I used to love myself, I used to be a good son and good friend. I stole all of that from family and friends - I've hurt people who will never forgive me and I don't blame them.

I truly believe it has some kind of sentience, some kind of function inherent to it and a purpose - its the work of an evil energy (whatever you want to call it) put on this earth the bring people to the darkness, it invites darkness into your world.

I beg anybody reading this to never try it, not once. However, I know if you want to you will. You will learn - you will learn quickly. Once you try H you sign a contract that you can't just walk away from, you WILL have to pay the piper and he will make sure you pay in full.
I'm sorry to hear how much suffering you have had. However, I don't think you should write yourself off as irreparably damaged by your history. Reading what you have said, it looks to me like an awful lot of the problem for you is your father. First he took up heroin and failed you, then you followed his footsteps. But it isn't inevitable that one must follow their parents path. I think dealing with the pain of that relationship is what is truly hurting you and it is better to try to deal with that rather than be caught up in guilt of the drug itself. It was just a bad tool you chose which let you down just like your father let you down. You aren't the drug and you aren't your father.
I can see you feel awful about things you have done in your past for your habit. But people can change, there is redemption and healing, and the past is the past. ♥️
 
I've been bedridden for 3 days now because I decided to use heroin 5 years ago, and go with it.

I'm trying my best to taper off but it is really challenging. I was using around 2 or 300mg a day of good fuckin raw dope... nice afghan vinegar smelling stuff and #4.

So, I went from that immediately to 60mg a day and now 40mg a day. At first I dosed 20mg every 8 hours and it was hell because I'm used to compulsive dosing every 2 to 3 hours. Now I am moving to every 12 hours because that will be much better for me. It's one step closer to be able to go 24 hours without dope and not experience too much discomfort. I hope I do not puke, dry heave, or shit my pants today like I did when I tried cold turkey (that just was't going to work).

I have a lot of hope this time. This is the third day, why turn back now?

You see, I have so many priorities in life and I can't really afford to waste days like this. It needs to stop. On heroin, I am the ideal version of myself in every way (except for the constipation and sex drive issues). The problem is that when I run out, it is so much fuckin agony that I can't get out of bed. Nothing gives me pleasure for at least ten days due to anhedonia, and trust me, that's a LOT longer than reading a sentence makes it out to be. Suffering that long and then it's still not over at this point. My addiction has progressed to the point that I will be physical sick for at least 2 weeks, more like a month. And after that, it's even worse. You think it's over and then the extreme cravings come, the panic attacks that are immune to benzos, the hardcore insomnia that is so bad it can lead to psychotic symptoms. That's when I broke down last time so I'm trying to go a lot slower this time. I'd rather stay on a lower dose for a long time, than reduce my dose, freak out, and have a total relapse like I did last November. Ever since I've been using raw. I have taken 3 days off with no opiates in that time, actually in the last 5 years it has literally been 3 days without them - but I get sick all the time due to tolerance. I can take like 6 percocets and it's not satisfying at all. Before I did H, I was good with 1 percocet and 10mg oxy would have me flying. Recently, I went through over a gram of oxycodone in 5 days. After trying heroin, which has different effects it's more relaxing, no amount of oxy will satisfy me and I used to love oxy. Same goes for dilaudid although I definitely prefer that one.

So many people end up like this. Can you take 2 weeks off work just to fuckin suffer? No, the world doesn't work that way. And you will always run out at some point.

I guess some people think they won't get addicted but fact of the matter is if you are thinking of trying it you probably have some sort of demons you are trying to escape from. You are likely already ridden with problems and this is the precise candidate for an addict. Also, it took me 18 months to develop severe withdrawals. Of daily hardcore use. It doesn't happen overnight. I hear people tell me they are functional heroin addict but then they say "even after so many months..." and I just smile and nod. Yeah. 6 months in of daily hardcore use of oxy, dilaudid, small bumps of H (my first gram lasted me 6 months), and smoking opium, I still only had 3 days of withdrawal which wasn't bad at all. I could make it to class for example, I wouldn't throw off every priority because I was too sick. People would notice like a girl asked what's wrong with me, something looks wrong. I had been on a 3 week dilaudid binge over the holidays sniffing 32mg a day (I always get good drugs for the holidays lol) and when I came off that, all that happened was I kicked my legs like a fish out of water and rolled around in bed each night for 3 nights. Then during the days I looked like death. It was fuckin nothing, a joke of a withdrawal.

When I want to quit these days it's means a commitment to a month of suffering where I'll pretty much be living to see the next day. After that, it gets even worse and I become severely mentally ill. Seriously why risk it. I look back at who I used to be, a simple pothead growing my dope before I injured my spine and it wasn't enough anymore. Almost brings me to tears. I lost my house, my engineering job and possibly even my career at this point, my car, my girlfriend... I have nothing left. I live in a basement day after day after day alone. It is a miserable life and I'm doing my best to quit. I didn't even realize what I was getting into and I've never used a needle either which is the reason I've never overdosed (luckily) and I'm still alive. So, if you are "just" sniffing heroin don't think you're any better.

today is my 3rd day of using 60mg heroin daily. 20mg every 8 hours. Today, I am trying 20mg every 12 hours. It HAS to stop I am destroying my life and I want money, a career which I deserve with all my education (it doesn't discriminate, if you end up liking the high, you are going to want to do it again, and you'll be fucked). If you're a downer drug person and don't have trouble controlling cocaine or MDMA, that's a big red flag. it means you probably prefer these types of drugs... it's a chill drug, I'd almost compare it to weed if it didn't cause so many fuckin problems years down the road.

I wish I had quit after a year or 2, when the withdrawals were bearable. They still are, I can take the pain, but the first 10 days to 2 weeks are a total write off for me at this point. I don't use subs or methadone, I'm not interested just yet. If you have self control, it doesn't matter what drug you taper with. So I am tapering down with heroin itself. My supply is really consistent in potency which makes this possible.

Anyone suffering from this I feel for you, even the people in life I fucking despise and did horrible things to me, I would NEVER wish this on them. It is something nobody deserves to experience. Be smarter than I was and seriously never try it. The high isn't even that good (well, to me it is because it treats my chronic pain, BPD, panic attacks and social anxiety, ADHD)... it treats everything that's wrong with me so I consider it the perfect high as I'm a functional addict. However, there always come times when I can't get it or I don't have the money and I'm not one to rob or steal so I just suffer through it. The withdrawal is so bad to me that I actually lose the will and desire to get more heroin because I'm too sick to get out of bed. Getting a glass of water becomes a challenge.

Just be smarter than me and regardless of who you are, never try it. If you really need something for your pain, stick to oxycodone or hydromorphone and don't ever IV. I have never iv'd before and that's why I still even have a chance to get better. I truly believe that IV use is the nail on the coffin of an opiate user. I'll NEVER do it. I even have needles around because of course I've been tempted but every single time I choose to be sick over doing that fucking self mutilation. Just thing of your fragile veins. Just the fact that I have considered doing that to myself to avoid withdrawal is completely fucked. Do you think I was thinking about that 5 years ago when 2.5 mg oxy (half a fucking percocet) got me higher than sniffing 20mg of really good heroin does today? Tolerance ruins this drug and so does prohibition. Since you are new and inexperienced, you'll probably end up with some fentanyl analog and not even experience real heroin. I have to throw in the garbage over half of what I get because of that bullshit but I only know good dope because I have 5 years experience and it wasn't so prevalent back then for these fuckers to put fent and shit in their dope. So chances are, you won't even be getting real heroin.

I think I've made my point, but I feel like people coming here have already made up their mind for the most part. I was the same. I read all about heroin on blue light before I used it and ignored all the warning signs, justifying it by my chronic spinal pain. Well, these days I'd gladly take the pain over this fucking garbage of a life. I literally threw everything away and eventually after a few years started spending tens of thousands of dollars a year on opiates. The one thing I am proud of is I resisted the temptation to inject my drugs. I have always sniffed heroin and it isn't much different from sniffing a nice OC 40 or 80 (in Canada), or taking one or two roxicodone if you are in America but those are becoming increasingly counterfeited! Honestly fuck all of this shit. Seriously think about what you are doing. A lot of people DIE, and few people every get better. The recovery rate is abysmal. And don't think you are better than everyone and won't be that one who gets hooked. I don't care who you are it's ALWAYS a risk, so take that into account and also that the high isn't even really that great. I mean, I love the stuff, but it took me a while to really appreciate it. There's nothing better than getting a hit when you're sick... but you have to get addicted to experience that. At first it was wonderful too, but then once you realized you had been fucking yourselfthe whole time, those memories are nots pleasant anymore and are replaced with straight up regret. And this is coming from someone who is treating several mental health issues and also severe chronic pain in my spine for someone as young as me that I've had for 8 years now. I still regret it. If I was "normal" without problems, wow I'd feel like a fuckin dumbass getting into this shit and that happens all the time. People throw their lives away.

I'm going to quit this time. I need support because when I need to pick up more to keep tapering, there is a chance I could fiend it. I'm getting really small amounts of the drug to try and deter that, and also waiting until I am deeper into the withdrawal process. Today is day 3 and it's honestly not THAT bad yet. Although, I took 20mg etizolam haha so my muscles don't hurt so much, and some amphetamine so I have the energy to get out of bed periodically and amphetamine truly does help with withdrawal especially not cold turkey withdrawal but like tapering withdrawal or when you are deeper into the process and not as completely sick out of your mind. I'm not puking, dry heaving, and shitting my pants for days on end and then too sick and weak to shower after ever again so FUCK cold turkey, that's just me. As soon as I have the opportunity to fix I race out and fiend the stuff if I've been in cold turkey for a while. This way, I'm stilll making progress, but I'm still periodically getting a hit. My dosage drop was approximate an abrupt 75% and that's why I'm feeling so shitty. Please wish me luck today is going to be a huge struggle and tomorrow and the next day as well.

Also, you build tolerance really quickly to the respiratory depression of heroin as a self-protection mechanism. New users are very susceptible to overdose, moreso than addicts in my opinion. A lot of people in life have died from their first sniff of this stuff. Hopefully someone will avoid the same dismal fate.
Can I ask were you from? Iam in Ft lauterdale Florida and I’ve been snorting fet because I can’t find clean H around this part anymore and now even if I take the caps I get it just keeps me from being sick but I can’t function all it does is just keeps me from throwing up or going threw those terrible withdrawals if you can help me with some advise pls because I have 2 kids and it’s getting unbearable to function and do my routine things list my job getting kicked out of my home if I can just get something that will keep me functioning like when I first started I can at least get back on track I can’t afford to lose any more days without making money for me and my children
 
I know this is a very old thread but I guess it bares repeating THAT YOU SHOULD NEVER EVERY FUCKING TRY HEROIN!
When I was 21 a long time ago one day I was high as a kite on coke just having a great time with my then time GF and a friend of my then time GF had some and offered me some. Even then I had the sense to say no. Heroin, meth and LSD have always been taboe for me. This doesn’t make me a better person than anyone who’s done it. This just makes me lucky.
That friend of my GF was consequently never invited over again.
On that day she offered me the heroin she had just been released from a 5 year stretch and looked incredibly healthy.
About three months later I ran into her and she had turned into a walking corpse weighing in at 75lbs soaking wet. If that’s what you want which I cannot imagine on top of loosing all your friends and ending up either dead or in prison then go ahead.
There is no lying to yourself about heroin or when you’re on heroin. It will destroy you.
 
^Nah that doesn't make you lucky --- maybe in the "Ignorance is Bliss" type of way..

YES if you can get actual real heroin with no other active ingredients.

HELL YES. Don't overdose don't get addicted to an amount you can't afford or function on.

LSD is super taboo though I wouldn't dare.....

---------Horrible first post but you get an opinion that is respected like everyone else------- Welcome!
 
Researchers from the time of Lindemann (1948), Oral historians (Courtwright) and Norman Zinberg pointed out a significant population of non-treatment heroin users, weekend warriors, heroin parties among young professionals (I the 70s accompanied by fondue) The best reason not to try heroin even once is you don't know what it's cut with. The government (Alan Leshner, and Idk who now) misinform the public regarding how even one use irrevocably changes the brain. These people also supported the gateway theory, long discredited.
Opiates were common treatments for common ailments before the Anslinger drug laws era in the 1950s. Not everyone who experiments with heroin becomes addicted. That is misinformation. If people see real time experimenters move on without problems, they will not trust your message. The real question is Why Go There? Someone will have to initiate you. Your sources will be questionable. The drug supply is tainted with fentanyl.
Don't romanticize heroin. There is no scientific consensus on which experimenters will become habitual users, and which will be able to move on. There is every reason to talk to a therapist who understands the field to explore your reasons.
 
Obviously no lol

Wish i never did

Wouldnt recommend to anyone.

You dont even feel blissful like old Es. You just feel "awesome alright" and contented. Like benzo++
 
Heroin no longer exists the way it used to. It has been replaced by fentanyl and carfentanyl. People that telling someone not to do something will stop them, and maybe it will. I would never tell anyone what to do or not do. I have personal experience with heroin and fentanyl addiction but that’s all I will say
 
If you are sure it is diacetyl-morphine (I.e real heroin only active ingredient). At some point in life probably! If its street dope fent/xyla/nita/grey death HELL NO -- shit is really horrid

No it is basically impossible to pull off growing a poppy field in most places -- some ppl do ok with opium though.
 
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