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Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

Possibley away on a tangent, but I've been smoking H since 2010 after getting hooked then cut off on painkillers for a chronic medical problem. I'm in NE Scotland, and there's been a real drought last 2 weeks or so. Even before this you could never guarantee what you're getting and there was "nutazines" iirc that killed 20ish people in a shirt period of time in Birmingham I think last year. Anyway, what I'm saying is if you don't have a habit why start one? Maybe a few years ago you could get something legit, but now it's wild west and Russian roulette all in one. I've stopped and started so many times it makes me sick to think about. But it's what it does to your family and friends that really hurts.
 
Possibley away on a tangent, but I've been smoking H since 2010 after getting hooked then cut off on painkillers for a chronic medical problem. I'm in NE Scotland, and there's been a real drought last 2 weeks or so. Even before this you could never guarantee what you're getting and there was "nutazines" iirc that killed 20ish people in a shirt period of time in Birmingham I think last year. Anyway, what I'm saying is if you don't have a habit why start one? Maybe a few years ago you could get something legit, but now it's wild west and Russian roulette all in one. I've stopped and started so many times it makes me sick to think about. But it's what it does to your family and friends that really hurts.
Have you found things are back to normal yet?
 
I'm ready to be shot down for this .. but there is maybe one exception.

If you have plenty of money and time and are pretty desperate from pain (mental or physical) then at the margin it can be worth it. Given the ready availability of H and other opioids on darknet markets it's possible to acquire a stable supply. But ONLY if you have a lot of money and you're not dumb with the way you take it.

Avoid needle use, eat H and smoke a little with each new batch (eating unknown strength opioids is very dangerous if your not VERY careful).

Understand this is NOT a trivial undertaking and is basically only a good idea if there is no support for medicating pain with opioids and your life isn't worth living so the risk of death isn't really such a big risk. Take into account things like dependents and you may have no right to make that choice so it's not trivial. Also take into account the fact that unless you've lived with life crushing pain and/or depression for many years .. you should probably try another solution first.

Anyway .. there's always an exception to every rule, and the answer - don't do it should always be the first and foremost solution.

SOURCE: Personal experience.

Oh .. and if you think a precipitated heroin withdrawal is "bad," definitely don't try it. That's basically the litmus test for if you've got enough problems for this to make sense
 
For those who smoke heroin, you can develop a disorder known as leukoencephalopathy, which is the progressive damage of white matter in the brain that leads to death.

Long term heroin abuse results in changes in an addict's brain that changes brain function after long term use.

Heroin users are also 20-30x more likely to die than non drug users according to WHO, which can be found in the above link.
I couldn't find a link to anything about heroin smoking in that link .. do I have to read the whole journal? the search returned nothing on leukoencephalopathy or heroin .. but then I got the impression the search didn't work so I'm not blaiming you or anything

Could you link the specific article .. or if that's not ok here PM it to me
 
Something weird happens lately with heroin

basically what happens is that unless I don´t use to the point of nodding, if I use less (which I usually prefer because I don´t like to nod and go to sleep and wake up with a headache), I start to get emotional and super depressed.

This is not because is bad stuff, I have tested and it happens to me with different types of heroin and batches.

Basically I have a mild withdrawal so even though I´m feeling good, I have this feeling of over stimulation so I end up taking an opiate to put it down (whether is heroin or kratom, or whatever).

But with heroin I noticed a lot the emotional crush. Once I snort it I instantly get 'low' (instead of high), like I start to get rage, and hopeless, and emotional, and like 'life is shit', etc...

Honestly weirdest shit ever, I started taking opiates to avoid my terrible inner mental health, and now basically they trigger something bad within me. Is not that I become psychotic or anything like that because opiates can´t produce that, but yeah, like I become dysphoric, depressed, low, without hope.
 
Something weird happens lately with heroin

basically what happens is that unless I don´t use to the point of nodding, if I use less (which I usually prefer because I don´t like to nod and go to sleep and wake up with a headache), I start to get emotional and super depressed.

This is not because is bad stuff, I have tested and it happens to me with different types of heroin and batches.

Basically I have a mild withdrawal so even though I´m feeling good, I have this feeling of over stimulation so I end up taking an opiate to put it down (whether is heroin or kratom, or whatever).

But with heroin I noticed a lot the emotional crush. Once I snort it I instantly get 'low' (instead of high), like I start to get rage, and hopeless, and emotional, and like 'life is shit', etc...

Honestly weirdest shit ever, I started taking opiates to avoid my terrible inner mental health, and now basically they trigger something bad within me. Is not that I become psychotic or anything like that because opiates can´t produce that, but yeah, like I become dysphoric, depressed, low, without hope.
That part about emotional crush does happen to me sometimes and its weird. Because it will be just like any other time doing it and i'll be high as shit and then just get depressed and angry and feel extremely ashamed of myself. And then a few hours later I can do some and get high and be happy and productive. It's very unpredictable and just one more reason I want to stop
 
From the OP

Common first-timer questions:

- How long can I use for without getting withdrawals?


i disagree, thats what experienced users who are off and on clean think about. A first time user either is upping the ante from pills and knows the answer or has little to no opiate exp and hasnt experienced wd to think of avoiding it.
 
From the OP

Common first-timer questions:

- How long can I use for without getting withdrawals?


i disagree, thats what experienced users who are off and on clean think about. A first time user either is upping the ante from pills and knows the answer or has little to no opiate exp and hasnt experienced wd to think of avoiding it.
The demon is already in you, the battle lost, if you’re asking that. First timers dont have that level of bargaining and negotiation at work yet.
 
And also yes one should try it.

It made me pass out face down on a kitchen table once—i couldnt do it without coke to keep me coherent. So it wasnt a long relationship for me.

But others love it before dependency and addiction, and claim its the best feeling on earth.


Why should anyone not experience that at least 1x? Lifes too short to avoid the sins of the flesh. Its like people who wait until age 18+ to have sex. My brain doesnt understand that logic.


if you never flew why would you cut the wings off a butterfly?

Think about that
 
Should I Try Heroin? MegaThread



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With the recent abundance of “Should I try heroin?” or “Is trying H a good idea?” threads, we have decided it would be worth it to create a megathread discussing the topic, where all posts relating to such debate can be compiled.

If you have this question, or any question specifically about your first time trying H that falls under the category of “Should a non-heroin user suddenly decide to try H for the first time?” please post here.

For basic info about heroin itself, please refer to the Heroin Megathread. For info on IV and technique/complications, refer to the IV Megathread.




So, to start off, the basic number one question on your minds if you’re looking at this thread and debating this choice is,

Should I try heroin for the first time?

Obviously, the short and to the point answer would be… NO FUCKING WAY. Of course, we were all young/inexperienced once before we first tried heroin, so we know things are often a lot more complicated then “just say no”.



Some internal questions to ask yourself first:

- Why do you want to try heroin to begin with?

Many people, especially young people, have this glamorous and romantic image of heroin in their head. They see the idea of being a “junky” as this very chic and glorified notion. Maybe your favorite musicians all did heroin, maybe your favorite movies are about heroin, etc.

Using dope is far from glamorous. The reality of heroin addiction is brutal, grotesque, and filthy.

- What do you seek to gain from trying heroin?

Really, what is it you think this drug is going to add to your life? Or are you just bored and want to check it off your list? Here’s where being really honest with yourself is a must. After reading this whole thread, and many of the other heroin related threads on BL, you should have a pretty clear idea of just how ravaged ones life can become from heroin. What positives do you see coming from making this choice?

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Justifications to try heroin:

1. I’m only going to try it once.

Famous last words. When evaluating this decision, remember that basically EVERY heroin addict in the world said this at one point in the beginning. Nobody is born with the goal of becoming a raging dope fiend. It is a progressive path and it does not happen over night.

Heroin is one of the most additive drugs, and has ruined so many lives for a reason. The honest chances of you only trying this drug once are incredibly slim to almost non-existent.


2. I will be able to control my use. I won’t get addicted.

Again, this is also something we have all said before. Believe it or not, even long-term heroin addicts sometimes use this justification to relapse. For the beginning user, you may think that because you’ve tried other drugs here and there and didn’t become wrapped up in them, that you’ll be able to control your heroin use as well. This is an incredibly dangerous notion. It is not about will power. Heroin is an incredibly powerful drug with a high so intense, that it makes you want to continue using it, even though it is destroying everything in your life.

Those of us who have been using for a very long time have come across thousands of addicts in our time. Do you want to know how many we have met that were ever able to control their use or “chip” for any real period of time? Practically none. Sure you may be able to hold it together for a few months or even a few years, but almost everybody slips up, and before you know it, you are in way too deep.


3. If I do get addicted, I’ll just stop. How hard can it be?

Stopping heroin is one of the hardest things you’ll ever do in your life. Not only is the psychological aspect incredibly intense and all consuming, but also once you develop a physical dependency, you will have withdrawals, and that is something you cannot be prepared for.

Coming off heroin is an incredibly painful and brutal experience, one that only gets worse the more times you do it. You will not be able to just shake it off. This is why the majority of people who become dependent on heroin, end up having a life long battle.


4. I don’t have regular access to it, so I can’t do it everyday, even if I wanted to.


This is a very common justification. Many beginning users considering trying heroin have come across it out of the blue or have to travel very far to get it. They think that this will force them into being casual users or never trying it again.

The truth is that after getting a taste for heroin, you will slowly start to work on getting more opportunities. Many users end up driving hours and hours from home just to score dope. Believe this, you WILL find a way to do it again, even if it is very sporadic at first, eventually you will get a source for it, and all bets will be off.


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Common first-timer questions:

- How long can I use for without getting withdrawals?

This varies from person to person. However, for the majority of people, in the beginning, it takes a good few weeks-months of using everyday before a physical dependency is developed. For some people it happens much sooner, others later.

The danger is you never know when that extra day of using is going to be too much. The more you use heroin, the more your body gets used to it. The fact of the matter is, if you use heroin everyday, or with any real regularity greater than once or twice a week, you will eventually become dependent.

Also, after you pick up your first habit, you become dependent again much faster in the future. It will eventually get to the point where even using 2 days in a row, is enough to create withdrawals.

- How fast does an overdose happen?

There is a common misconception that OD’s, especially from IV heroin, happen instantly. While this is true in a lot of instances, overdoses can happen at any point even up to an hour after using (and if one is redosing throughout a short period of time, can happen even after an hour or more).

- Do you get addicted after one use?

While you do not develop a physical dependency after one use (it takes many days in the beginning of using in a row for this to happen) a psychological addiction can start to develop very early. It is a myth that a person becomes addicted in any way after one use, but it is true that’s all it takes sometimes to start you down a path of future addiction.


***For some stories on how heroin (and other drugs) have impacted peoples lives, check out the Personal Accounts of Addiction thread. There are some very real and raw entries there on the reality of how heroin can destroy your life.

***Also check out the Case Studies thread, and realize how easily this all ends up happening.




Note: This thread was meant as a very basic guide. Obviously there is much more to say and talk about, so if you have any specific questions relating to the topic, feel free to make a post here.


Good luck, all.
Stay away from Heroin at ALL costs I was only going to try it once also ended up using once everyday for 4 consecutive years
 
Ok so... I know that heroin is a very addictive and dangerous substance to mess around with if you're not careful, you've got to be very careful with heroin. But if you take all the precautions necessary, test your stuff, carefully measure the dose and filter it so that it is more pure and less damaging to your body, then it can't be worse than any other substance, right? I personally believe that heroin must probably be an amazing (even beautiful) experience if you do it right. It must be one of THE best feelings a human is capable of feeling, that flood of dopamine along with the analgesia and the sedation must feel UNREAL. I heard the pleasure you experience from it must be overwhelming. I'm thinking it must definitely be a feeling worth experiencing at least once in your life, just to experience something that you'll never forget in your life. And a good memory to look back to (that is, of course, if you can stop yourself from getting addicted to it, which I heard can be hard to do). I do definitely understand why people say it is dangerous because ypu can overdose or get addicted to it, but if you practice safety and harm reduction, maybe it might be an experience worth trying out. I just don't see it as much of a bad thing as most people do. I mean it can't be that bad, right?
 
I bet sex is probably super fucking boring in comparison to heroin, but it gets such a bad reputation that I know I gotta be really careful with that shit, though it would probably be a cool experience to try
 
Ok so... I know that heroin is a very addictive and dangerous substance to mess around with if you're not careful, you've got to be very careful with heroin. But if you take all the precautions necessary, test your stuff, carefully measure the dose and filter it so that it is more pure and less damaging to your body, then it can't be worse than any other substance, right? I personally believe that heroin must probably be an amazing (even beautiful) experience if you do it right. It must be one of THE best feelings a human is capable of feeling, that flood of dopamine along with the analgesia and the sedation must feel UNREAL. I heard the pleasure you experience from it must be overwhelming. I'm thinking it must definitely be a feeling worth experiencing at least once in your life, just to experience something that you'll never forget in your life. And a good memory to look back to (that is, of course, if you can stop yourself from getting addicted to it, which I heard can be hard to do). I do definitely understand why people say it is dangerous because ypu can overdose or get addicted to it, but if you practice safety and harm reduction, maybe it might be an experience worth trying out. I just don't see it as much of a bad thing as most people do. I mean it can't be that bad, right?
Yeah you're right about everything but I don't think you're taking into account how addictive it really is in every sense of the word. You would be extremely lucky to be able to do it once, and that is probably not very likely. It WILL take over your mind and body, and you WILL become a slave to it. Yes it is incredible and the best thing in the world (imo) but in relation to the last sentence you wrote, yes, it can be that bad, and frankly it is.
Do not do it without being fully able to understand you can and most likely will lose your life, mind, or just who you are in general. It does not take much at all for it to fully have you in its clutches and it will not easily let go of you. To be completely honest because of that it is not an experience worth trying out.
But do whatever you want. Just saying, it is all too easy to ruin your life and unless you are completely prepared for that to happen, you should not do it.
Hoping I don't come off condescendingly, I just have known countless people who share the same idea as you and many are dead or still struggling, and one of them has been able to quit
edit: what you said about "it must definitely be a feeling worth experiencing at least once in your life" is true, but it will not be once, and it is naive to think so, unless, like I said, you're incredibly lucky and somehow not susceptible to addiction. Stay away from heroin, simply put
 
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I'm ready to be shot down for this .. but there is maybe one exception.

If you have plenty of money and time and are pretty desperate from pain (mental or physical) then at the margin it can be worth it. Given the ready availability of H and other opioids on darknet markets it's possible to acquire a stable supply. But ONLY if you have a lot of money and you're not dumb with the way you take it.

Avoid needle use, eat H and smoke a little with each new batch (eating unknown strength opioids is very dangerous if your not VERY careful).

Understand this is NOT a trivial undertaking and is basically only a good idea if there is no support for medicating pain with opioids and your life isn't worth living so the risk of death isn't really such a big risk. Take into account things like dependents and you may have no right to make that choice so it's not trivial. Also take into account the fact that unless you've lived with life crushing pain and/or depression for many years .. you should probably try another solution first.

Anyway .. there's always an exception to every rule, and the answer - don't do it should always be the first and foremost solution.

SOURCE: Personal experience.

Oh .. and if you think a precipitated heroin withdrawal is "bad," definitely don't try it. That's basically the litmus test for if you've got enough problems for this to make sense
This is basically my situation, except I do not recommend smoking or eating h. But of course, always be careful with a new batch and I use nasally, 99.9999999% of the time. I’ve only used a needle when I was exceptionally low, less than 10 times ever in over a decade. But, I don’t enjoy any opioids, and I seem immune to mental addiction.
 
I bet sex is probably super fucking boring in comparison to heroin, but it gets such a bad reputation that I know I gotta be really careful with that shit, though it would probably be a cool experience to try
No way, sex is far superior. I find h boring - also sedating, itchy, constipating - not enjoyable at all. It’s not remotely recreational for me. By far the most overrated drug, although cocaine is also ridiculously overhyped imo (unless IV, & even then it’s so short acting it’s just not really worth doing repeatedly, especially given the risks).
 
As someone who's been a heavy heroin user for the last few years I'd recommend to NOT TRY HEROIN. Best case you get addicted and become a functional addict, worse case is you... Die.

I've had friends die from overdoses it's not a drug to be messed with. Most people don't start with heroin and go from some pills, it's a very slippery slope playing with any form of opiates.

If we had a cheap clean supply then it would be fine but alas we don't. Stay away from opiates and benzos.
 
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