Discussion Vaping 7-OH wtf is this

JackARoe said:
Well you were not far off. This morning Mr RFK Jr and the FDA docs got together and I believe now they are handing this off to the DEA. Oddly enough the FDA docs did their own plain kratom leaf tests some time back and found it safe. So regular leaf is ok, the synthetic manipulation of the contents will become illegal, or at least some kind of ban. Either fully illegal or over 18. These things take time, probably 6 months to a year from now we won't see the 7-OH pills.

I have no opinions, I think everything should be legal. I just get annoyed at stupid marketing (roxies) that does not have longevity in its goal and I really get annoyed at vendors misrepresenting things. But I think this stuff should remain legal even if I never even sample it. (I'm sick of opioids you all, I need some time off all of them!!) But I am sure that the FDA is ok with plain leaf pisses off the pharm companies to no end.

This is from the AKA:

Earlier today, Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., FDA Commissioner Dr. Marty Makary, and senior government officials announced a recommendation to classify synthetic 7-Hydroxymitragynine (7-OH) products as Schedule I substances under the federal Controlled Substances Act. Read official announcement.

The American Kratom Association (AKA) applauds this bold, science-driven action as a critical milestone in protecting public health and consumer safety. These dangerous, chemically altered 7-OH products are not natural kratom. They are manipulated substances with potent opioid-like effects, misleadingly sold under the kratom name, and they threaten both consumers and the reputation of natural kratom.

“Secretary Kennedy and Commissioner Makary have shown exceptional leadership in confronting one of the most urgent public health threats related to mislabeled, manipulated psychoactive substances,” said Mac Haddow, Senior Fellow on Public Policy for the American Kratom Association. “These 7-OH products are not kratom. They are chemically altered substances that carry potent opioid-like effects and pose an imminent threat to consumers. This move sends a clear and long-overdue message: the safety of the American public comes first.”

“The FDA’s own research shows that natural kratom has a relatively low potential for abuse and may offer harm-reduction benefits when used responsibly,” Haddow continued. “It is the synthetic manipulation of 7-OH that has created the danger. The action by Secretary Kennedy and Commissioner Makary is not only scientifically justified, it is morally imperative.”

The AKA urges swift action by the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) to initiate the rule-making process to schedule synthetically manipulated 7-hydroxymitragynine and to make clear that such action does not impact the legal status of natural kratom or its primary alkaloids, mitragynine and unaltered 7-OH occurring within the plant matrix. The goal is to eliminate the threat posed by rogue products while preserving access to safe, regulated kratom.

“We look forward to working with federal agencies and state policymakers to ensure that safe access to natural kratom is protected, while these dangerous imposters are removed from the marketplace” said Haddow.
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AKA are narc ass bitches
 
helpingout said:
AKA are narc ass bitches
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LOL I actually blasted them once a few years back I had some guy apologizing to me when I criticized how they go about things. (the AKA applauds......blah blah! f*ck off)

Saying that their presence helped keep kratom legal in the US in a few states. But I am not sure they were of any help in 2016 or if they even existed yet. I think we the people helped Mr. Chuck Rosenberg, head of the DEA back then, to actually listen to the people. That they backed off still amazes me. But I think the AKA came after WE saved it.
 

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Yeah - the people above are along for the whole ride, the dubious vendors offering 7-OH are just loophole junkies.

But watch out - the moment it's banned, someone will pop up likely giving us trip reports on how amazing their 'Physostigma venenosum' AKA Calabar Bean 'extract' is. Eseroline will magically be shown not to be neurotoxic in man, or at least not at the doses in THEIR extract.

Each time something is banned, something worse replaves it.
 
4DQSAR said:
But watch out - the moment it's banned, someone will pop up likely giving us trip reports on how amazing their 'Physostigma venenosum' AKA Calabar Bean 'extract' is. Eseroline will magically be shown not to be neurotoxic in man, or at least not at the doses in THEIR extract.

Each time something is banned, something worse replaves it.
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I still think the whole Jenkem thing was ingenious. How do you ban pooping? Actually in the late 60's the banana peel hoax was a good one too.
 
JackARoe said:
I still think the whole Jenkem thing was ingenious. How do you ban pooping? Actually in the late 60's the banana peel hoax was a good one too.
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Sure - some poor kids who were likely offered a palty sum to give a jounalist with 300 words of copy. A journalist I suspect whose editor was in the process of querying an expenses claim.

I still think Stella Gibbons was spot on when she remarked "The life of a journalist is poor, nasty, brutish and short. So is his style".
 
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@4DQSAR https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-23736-2

I think this paper inspired a lot of clandestine chemists. It specifically mentions Oxone and synth routes for 11-X-7OH derivatives (sorry mods, delete if really necessary)

I think a lot of the red batches, which are aka / sold in vape shops as "red OH" or "pseudoindoxyl", are actually the 11-x analogs

The last batch I had a week ago I think was an 11-x analog. VERY long half life. Feels like 7oh, except nausea was a major issue and was long lasting vs 7oh. I actually vomited a few times. I preferred it to regular 7oh, mainly due to the duration. I only had to dose once per day in the morning (compared to every ~6 hours with regular 7oh), and the tapering/withdrawal process was smoother.

But I honestly think these alkaloids are the devil now. These are really unusual opioids, with usually bad withdrawals.
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What are these 11-x analogs and what is 11-x?
 
PenguinWithNapalm said:
What are these 11-x analogs and what is 11-x?
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damn I read wrong the first time and thought it was 11x potency and thought 'well maybe someday someone will' lol

I had a friend who tried to get me to do the banana peel thing in the late 90s -- anarchist cookbook had some weird recipe in there....I already fell for nutmeg I wasn't goin in twice when I had good pot lol
 
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