RCs Gamma-Decalactone / 4-Hexyl-Gamma-Butyrolactone

[Gaz_hmmmm]

Does anyone know if this is recreational and at what dose?

It contains the gamma-butyrolactatone molecule but with a bit extra added on.

From a small amount of info I could find regarding toxicity, it mentions somnolence.
I now can't find the link that mentioned that.

γ-Decalactone - Wikipedia

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Gamma-Decalactone

Gamma-Decalactone | C10H18O2 | CID 12813 - structure, chemical names, physical and chemical properties, classification, patents, literature, biological activities, safety/hazards/toxicity information, supplier lists, and more.

pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[daturetard]

No personal experience with this particular one, but generally ime, abuseable solvents that dont have readily available information online make your liver hurt pretty fuckin bad if you use them more than once in like a week (and thats generous). If you do try it start low.

 

[4DQSAR]

I doubt it. That long alkyl chain is going to mean the hydrolysis product, nonanoic acid (pelargonic acid) has been considered for use as an alternative to valopric acid - a medication used to treat certain classes of epilepsy, but is valporic acid recreational? I would suggest marginal - I've known people smoke the herb from which valporate was isolated and they noted a slight sedation, likely because of the rapid transport of valporic acid to the brain.

But if you are considering it as a GHB alternative, I don't see it.

BTW I know pregabalin is popular within certain circles and to give it it's due, it's almost ideal for dealing with the acute phase of alcohol withdrawal, it isn't a potent drug. The Nobel Laureates who developed both gabapentin and pregabalin as medications went on to discover that 4-methylpregabalin was several times more potent than the parent drug.

As far as I understand it, pregabalin is extremely cheap but only because a biosynthesis was developed, telescoped and optimized. Something one only does at scale. I've often wondered if a similar biosynthesis was developed for 4-methylpregabalin but the new medication had no clinical benefits over and above those of the parent. Because IF a biosynthetic plant in India or China (where ambient temperatures mean neither heating nor cooling are required - an optimization), I suppose anyone could order them to produce 4-methylpregabalin. But tricky - a buyer would need to order hundreds of kilograms of the stuff!

 

[SuperPsych]

As far as I understand it, pregabalin is extremely cheap but only because a biosynthesis was developed, telescoped and optimized. Something one only does at scale. I've often wondered if a similar biosynthesis was developed for 4-methylpregabalin but the new medication had no clinical benefits over and above those of the parent. Because IF a biosynthetic plant in India or China (where ambient temperatures mean neither heating nor cooling are required - an optimization), I suppose anyone could order them to produce 4-methylpregabalin. But tricky - a buyer would need to order hundreds of kilograms of the stuff!

I actually saw 4-methylpregablin on some markets a couple of years back I think it was. Unfortunately I never got around to ordering any and I haven't seen it pop up recently, though I haven't been keeping my eye out for it

 

[emkee_reinvented]

but is valporic acid recreational?

Ime the opposite, it slowly numbs you after a year your sort of half Zombie.

It has none recreational value, YMMV but not for me.
Don t try it for recreation my advise,
only when needed like for Seizure prevention.

Valerenic Acid, from the Valerian root GABAa-agonist [partial ?],
is rumoured to be as recreational as a Benzo.

 

[4DQSAR]

is rumoured to be as recreational as a Benzo.

Long, long ago I was prescribe valoporate - it isn't in any way 'recreational'.

It's also hepatotoxic so unless one really needs it, I would suggest it's a compound to be avoided.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Long, long ago I was prescribe valoporate - it isn't in any way 'recreational'.

It's also hepatotoxic so unless one really needs it, I would suggest it's a compound to be avoided.

I doubt it. That long alkyl chain is going to mean the hydrolysis product, nonanoic acid (pelargonic acid) has been considered for use as an alternative to valopric acid - a medication used to treat certain classes of epilepsy, but is valporic acid recreational? I would suggest marginal - I've known people smoke the herb from which valporate was isolated and they noted a slight sedation, likely because of the rapid transport of valporic acid to the brain.

?

The recreational was a side rail i got in,
when Valerian entered the picture and aimed at Valerenic Acid.
110 % agree Valproic Acid has no recreational use,
and is a shitty drug to be on. I am of now cause of the effects.

DIY taper, not on dr advise, MFs,
they would have me take the rest of my life.

What i wrote.

Ime the opposite, it slowly numbs you after a year your sort of half Zombie.

It has none recreational value, YMMV but not for me.
Don t try it for recreation my advise,
only when needed like for Seizure prevention.

Valerenic Acid, from the Valerian root GABAa-agonist [partial ?],
is rumoured to be as recreational as a Benzo.

Valerenic Acid afair Hammilton long ago mentioned experimenting with it.
And as i remember compared it to Benzodiazepinen, so not really re-creative.
But effective, interesting as the extract s sold here don t effect me at all.

Which seems to use a proces where the active Alkaloid.
Is only in mini amount or totally not in their product.
Tried to grow them myself, but the Roots where not more thin thread s.

 

[4DQSAR]

Valerenic Acid afair Hammilton long ago mentioned experimenting with it.
And as i remember compared it to Benzodiazepinen, so not really re-creative.
But effective, interesting as the extract s sold here don t effect me at all.

At a high dose, in a one-off experiment which resulted with the opinion of ONE person.

But a quick Google of valoprate + hepatotxicity, you will quickly realize that it has issues.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

At a high dose, in a one-off experiment which resulted with the opinion of ONE person.

Why you assume i think its recreational ?
Did i express it quote it, it is less shitty as Levetiracetam.
And that don t mean much as that med is suicide in a pill. But its bad.
So much i feel sorry for people on it for Bi-Polar or Epilepsy.
And further it has no use imo afaik.

"i quoted you, where you pointed it has ḿ for some' re-creative potential,
which you more then once contradicted yourself.
Aligning with my opinion on it, so 4QDSAR are you OK ?
You are always s point on and your pharmacological knowledge,
bigger then me. So its not clear but, a quote:
i admire you so "Greyhound on the Floor, no War"
Wonder if you musical knowledge meets up to your Pharma s. "

Otherwise i will reveal it to you.

The only substance i mentioned that could be useful.
Valerenic Acid, but even if its like a benzo, ime inferior too:

A Pharmaceutical. Erythrina Mulungu preparation.
For Epilepsy, was i a Neurologist, my patient would be on it.
If the science investigation s and story s where it is prescribed are true.
And all those insomniac s and anxiety sufferer s too.

But a quick Google of valoprate + hepatotxicity, you will quickly realize that it has issues.

I know i read the manual, the one prescribing obvious not, a psychiatrist.
So on demand i had my Liver enzymes after starting and reading the protocol.
He did miss the base-line measurement, and i had to almost kick him to follow medical protocol.

And considering he prescribed it based on his false diagnosis of Bi-Polar.
Att it was not discovered that men taking it,
also had a heightened change on autism, when reproducing.
They found out 2018, way after conceiving my son.
The manual is adjusted.

That Psychiatrist probably still doesn t know any of this,
just like on the Hepatoxicty.
But he don t read Bluelight and keep up on medical literature.
I do, that s why for a dr. i am at the start a pain in the ass.

And because i outwit em, they end up giving up and kissing it.
Hoping i am not coming back to soon.

 

[4DQSAR]

Whatever - AFAIK valporate (a common medication used in the treatment of epilepsy) had no street value which I posit is a reasonable guide to if a given compound produces a positive ASC.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

@4DQSAR So is your assumption based on whatever, scientific.
Rather was i discredited of writing Valproic Acid has recreational Value.
That is what you propose i wrote.

While when you read back, it was you that wrote that.
So life can go one, and no friends and foes are formed.
Or keep lingering dis-synchronised unresolved read s,
and write wrong s. From you in this scenario.

That do change views on a person you are trying to,
dissolve a conflict with, i get you time precious.
Mine to, but hate open end s.

Which you gave, contra-dicting yourself again,
not confirm i never wrote VPA has recreational value.
End with ASC [whatever that mean s, afaik i dont know],
and started with whatever AFAIK ...

Interesting and very not en-lightning, what you mean,
a abundant reply.

eMKee

 

[emkee_reinvented]

At a high dose, in a one-off experiment which resulted with the opinion of ONE person.

But a quick Google of valoprate + hepatotxicity, you will quickly realize that it has issues.

You or not took time to read, or don t comprehend my reply s
That is obvious reading yours.

But these are two completely different substances.
You reply reads as it s about VPA.
Maybe one person on earth found that recreative.
The exception confirming the rule, it isn t !

And Hammilton was not the only person,
Valerenic Acid works. Its scientific proven.

Valerenic Acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerenic_acid
And Valproic Acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valproate

 

[4DQSAR]

@emkee_reinvented - my bad.

I mentioned that I had obtained some valarian root in Amsterdam and a couple of (desparate) friends tried smoking it. Their reports were sort of 'well, it does SOMETHING' but neither could realy say what. But neither asked for more and in the end I just threw it away. I might add that my cat LOVED it.

 

[Gaz_hmmmm]

Why you assume i think its recreational ?
Did i express it quote it, it is less shitty as Levetiracetam.
And that don t mean much as that med is suicide in a pill. But its bad.
So much i feel sorry for people on it for Bi-Polar or Epilepsy.
And further it has no use imo afaik.

"i quoted you, where you pointed it has ḿ for some' re-creative potential,
which you more then once contradicted yourself.
Aligning with my opinion on it, so 4QDSAR are you OK ?
You are always s point on and your pharmacological knowledge,
bigger then me. So its not clear but, a quote:
i admire you so "Greyhound on the Floor, no War"
Wonder if you musical knowledge meets up to your Pharma s. "

Otherwise i will reveal it to you.

The only substance i mentioned that could be useful.
Valerenic Acid, but even if its like a benzo, ime inferior too:

A Pharmaceutical. Erythrina Mulungu preparation.
For Epilepsy, was i a Neurologist, my patient would be on it.
If the science investigation s and story s where it is prescribed are true.
And all those insomniac s and anxiety sufferer s too.

I know i read the manual, the one prescribing obvious not, a psychiatrist.
So on demand i had my Liver enzymes after starting and reading the protocol.
He did miss the base-line measurement, and i had to almost kick him to follow medical protocol.

And considering he prescribed it based on his false diagnosis of Bi-Polar.
Att it was not discovered that men taking it,
also had a heightened change on autism, when reproducing.
They found out 2018, way after conceiving my son.
The manual is adjusted.

That Psychiatrist probably still doesn t know any of this,
just like on the Hepatoxicty.
But he don t read Bluelight and keep up on medical literature.
I do, that s why for a dr. i am at the start a pain in the ass.

And because i outwit em, they end up giving up and kissing it.
Hoping i am not coming back to soon.

emkee is English your first language?

 

[emkee_reinvented]

emkee is English your first language?

No my second, why ?
'Ik praot plat Rottuhdams', I speak flat Rotterdam s.

Often when conversations in English using translator s,
it was clear a lot of English/ American s don t use words,
by their dictionary meaning. And as i did, because a word i don t know.
Translating the fast option. Then the native English speaker gets confused.

As the dictionary meanings of the word used, don t mean.
What the native tongue meant with it.
Or in other word he doesn t know the meaning the word he used,
was not the meaning he had in mind.

So i guess good, and developing, on school Oxford English,
the rest you pick up. Been reading Bluelight and writing 20 years.
So that keeps it moving, learning new words, slang, grammar, spelling.

But i really love Lyrical, morphing words with bad vibe,
in a new word that has the right vibe, Rastafarian rule
So Dedication becomes Invication, Death vs Lively.

 

[4DQSAR]

Spreek gewoon Rotterdams, het loont de moeite om de idiomen van die stad te begrijpen.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Spreek gewoon Rotterdams, het loont de moeite om de idiomen van die stad te begrijpen.

Nou kaik, Rotuhdam s is recht voor ze raap.
Rechter, harder en directer nog dan Nederland s.

"Doe wat je zeg, dan liegie nie [Do what you say and it won t become a lie]

"Ja toch, niet dan" [bit like NOT] enne

"Ben je van de pot gepleurd, of uit je pan gegaan ?"
[you fell of your toilet, or are you on drugs]
The 'pan' is a metaphor for your mind.

For me total new, "Ik ga effe een boodschap naar Darmstadt sturen"
[Taking a dump]

Moeilijk om Rotterdam s te schrijven, ik schrijf Nederland s.
Maar vaak is het typisch rotterdamse/ nederlandse spraakgebruik.
Al moeilijk te vertalen in Engels.

"You can paint a pile of shit purple. it still remains shit"
That one lend well for translating.

 

[4DQSAR]

Ik heb een paar jaar in Amsterdam gewoond.

Gelukkig was mijn Nederlands zo slecht.

Want in Rotterdam vroegen mensen altijd 'waar kom je vandaan?'

Blijkbaar is 'Rotterdam' het Nederlandse woord voor 'Manchester'...

Dus ik woonde ;-)

 

[emkee_reinvented]

So its not clear but, a quote:
i admire you so "Greyhound on the Floor, no War"
Wonder if you musical knowledge meets up to your Pharma s. "

Otherwise i will reveal it to you.

 

[4DQSAR]

Dat is een duister pad om te kiezen!