Dissociatives I think my ex partner laced my meth with pcp/ketamine

[GypsyJunkie]

I’m hoping for some clarity on what exactly my ex partner was lacing my meth with that nearly caused me to lose my mind. And my life.

I always got my stuff from my ex’s friend, who seemed like a decent dude. When me and my partner started having issues, he still served me with no issues like a true businessman.

For background, I’ve used meth on and off for 20 years. Far less now than a decade ago when my preferred MOA was IV. Never had any issues with psychosis or have always been a functional user in my career as a healthcare professional and a “regular”-ish person.

I’ll attempt to keep this short and sweet. I began having really terrifying experiences several months ago. Periods of severe derealization with audible hallucinations that were impossible to ignore. They’d lay I’m guessing 20-40 minutes and I’d be stuck in like a trance but I could move if I needed to but go right back to it. Then it would lift and I’d be like what the actual fuck just happened and be in disbelief that it was so intensely real. About 20-40 minutes later it would happen again. This would go on for hours. And I was smoking very small amounts because was spending so much time in the scary headspace. It made it impossible to function or take proper care of myself. I’d lose large chucks of time and have trouble remembering what day it was. I was unsure what was real and what wasn’t, paranoid (but not without cause), and at the time attributed it to the stress of what my partner was putting me through in our relationship.

It was pretty steady like this for an about 6 weeks. Not every day but maybe half of them. Then it really ramped up the 2-3 weeks before it got wild.. To the point that it was either ask someone for help or end up dead by my own hand (which I honestly believe was the goal). The last day was the worst with a particular audible “hallucination” basically scaring the shit out of me telling horrible things were happening to my children at different locations and that I was responsible for a litany of unimaginable harm to everyone around me while I was driving causing me to not know where to go or what to do. I finally asked a family member for help and they called an ambulance for me.

The EMTs assumed meth psychosis as I told them that was all I KNOWINGLY did, I tried to tell them I felt as though I had been drugged with something like ketamine or PCP, as those are the only two drugs I’ve never had an experience with that I believe could cause an effect like this. I love my psychedelics, do them as frequently as possible and it was nothing like any trip.

It felt like I was under a psychic attack, if that makes sense. At the hospital they gave me couple Xanax, did not test for anything but the standard 6-8 drugs or whatever. I went to detox and after five days the audible hallucinations had faded from louder than anything in the real word to faint whisper before disappearing.

With that, my first question is obviously what do you think happened? And at the time my MOA was hotrails but as I mentioned before in smaller quantities, like a 0.5-1.0 gram a day or so. And as you know, the meth is no where near potent as it once was. At least on the west coast of the US.

My second question, is what would it look, taste like, burn like, etc mixed into the meth? I had noticed that when I would get a bag from the dude, that occasionally instead of the slightly opaque, chalky appearing shards they were smaller, very clear, squarish and almost had an oily wetness to them that would stick to the inside of the bag.

Thanks for making it to this point of my post and I appreciate any input. Thank you in advance

 

[GypsyJunkie]

Oh I forgot to mention the other symptoms I began experiencing as well. Muscle spasms that are new, Like a little tingle in my leg before it kicks straight out or in my abdomen. Not painful but kind of an involuntary doubling over. These persist months later and I’ve been sober. I also had pretty severe unexplained vaginal blessing that was being treated with Megace. That stopped when I stopped using and I was able to stop that medication. No other medications other than for HBP secondary to arrhythmia disorder which was stolen (who steals lisinopril) during this time so I did not have it.
This has been eating at me for months bc I truly believe that the goal was to induce my death as I came into some money right when this began. My ex associates with some grimy morally bankrupt types. Probably because he is like them.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Nobody can answer your question mate but to me it just sounds exactly like you overdid the meth

 

[theangryflower]

First off: wash your stuff with acetone. This would remove almost all cut. Secondly, meth may not be as potent, but it’s more pure and made in a different form than it used to be. Meth used to be more of a sustained, hyperactive high. Now it’s a shorter lasting, more mental high that makes you feel more isolated and in your head. With that said this new P2P meth also has a much higher risk for the development of mental illness- because it isn’t handled with care or quality. It’s mass produced in people’s hillbilly meth sheds, mixed with tons of MSM or bug spray or fentanyl. I’ve noticed that it’s cheaper and more widely used- but the product is milder, yet causes more of a head high versus body high. More people than ever seem to be hearing voices on it. But just look up p2p meth.

 

[Esperighanto]

I've watched people experience exactly what you described here as a result of super intense neurotransmitter depletion, we know the meth was clean because we watched the synthesis from beginning to end, it was consumed straight from the drying dish.

 

[Electrum1]

With that, my first question is obviously what do you think happened? And at the time my MOA was hotrails but as I mentioned before in smaller quantities, like a 0.5-1.0 gram a day

That's not small quantities. Definitely sounds like meth psychosis, and just accepting you did too much meth for too long is the way to go forward instead of theorizing that it was something besides the meth

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

That's not small quantities. Definitely sounds like meth psychosis, and just accepting you did too much meth for too long is the way to go forward instead of theorizing that it was something besides the meth

exactly, OP has smoked and IV'd meth for 20 years, and the 0.5-1g doses he describes as 'smaller' than his previous doses, so he's clearly been taking pretty huge doses for a long time.

It's meth psychosis OP 100%. Just for reference I've had 24-hour long sessions on less than 100mg

 

[Kellsee]

I think it’s probably the meth. And since you’re a health care professional lol it’s gave you access to a lot of information thats really making you speculative.

I could be wrong but thats just my two cents. Plus it can be different everytime depending on what it’s cut with

 

[Esperighanto]

Plus it can be different everytime depending on what it’s cut with

On top of this, synthesis byproducts, variation in RoA, endogenous neurochemistry (which is super fluidic over time), set & setting, overall a ton of things could all be confounding factors here, as well as the possible cuts you brought up!

Sorry if this sounds pedantic, I'm just trying to expand upon the solid info you put out here, not talk over it or anything.

 

[Kellsee]

Sorry if this sounds pedantic, I'm just trying to expand upon the solid info you put out here, not talk over it or anything.

You just introduced me to a new word lol pedantic

Yeah from what I understand most of the meth in the area I live in has became horse dope. It’s really making a lot of people sick. Theres a lot of people selling it to keep up their heroin habit. Scary stuff. It just aint worth it. It’s a risk to get anything from another addict thats still very actively chasing that dragon

 

[chippermonk]

Agreed with everyone, the meth is the most likely cause. And it could be other factors, like some other health issues that you may have developed that could be interacting with the meth. Or it could be made worse by long term use on an aging body. Best to quit the meth and get a good medical checkup
Trying to deduce obscure other causes like someone contaminating your meth sounds like text book paranoia.
Take care of yourself!

 

[chippermonk]

And, you know, anytime you have reasons to doubt what could be in your meth or any drug, there are test kits you can buy.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

It’s mass produced in people’s hillbilly meth sheds, mixed with tons of MSM or bug spray or fentanyl

While I agree with everything else you wrote, the idea of "fentanyl-laced meth" is mostly a myth.

Fentanyl is SO potent, that it would be impossible to cut crystal shards with an extremely potent powder. With the amount of crystal the average tweaker uses in a session, they'd literally OD & die if it was full of fentanyl. For some one with no tolerance to opioids, you only need MICROGRAMS of fentayl to get high. How are you suppose to cut a bunch of crystal shards with micrograms of powder, without killing the person easily?

Not to mention how do you cut crystals with a powder anyway? If you just pour fentanyl powder over some crystals, it's all gonna fall off into the bag anyway.
And then there's the fact that, why would a drug dealer sell two different drugs for the price of one, when they could sell them separately and make more money?


According to googles AI when googling "how common is fentanyl laced meth" -

"Lower prevalence in crystal methamphetamine: Fentanyl contamination is significantly less common in crystal methamphetamine, with studies showing a prevalence of less than 1%."

Less than 1% means this is basically not even happening.
Most "fentanyl-laced meth" comes from cross contamination (aka : a dealer who sells both, weighs both on the same scale & it accidentally gets into the bag). But nobody's intentionally trying to cut meth with fentanyl. It's pointless & incredibly dangerous since there's no way to actually measure how much fentanyl you'd be using alongside the meth.

With powdered meth, there's more of a concern, since it's in powder form (if anyone tries to sell you powdered meth, tell them to fuck off).

"Prevalence in powder methamphetamine: Drug checking services have found fentanyl in a noticeable percentage of powder methamphetamine samples, with reported adjusted prevalence around 12.5%."

Even 12% is still pretty low.

I run into so many people who claim their meth is laced with fentanyl & I just roll my eyes. My friend kept trying to tell me that he was smoking fentanyl laced shards & I had to tell him multiple times that he wasn't. His rational was "but this meth makes me tired, so it HAS to have fentanyl in it!"...... Uh yeah, meth can make you feel tired, especially if you've been awake for days and already depleted in neurotransmitters. You'll start to get paradoxical effects. Fentanyl doesn't just "make you tired" either. But he has no experience with opioids, so he's ignorant of their effects & pharmacology in general.
He kept telling me that everyone's meth in his area if cut with fentanyl & that they're all "addicted" to fentanyl & meth because of it. Until I showed him the "less than 1%" statistic. Pretty unlikely that his whole city's meth supply is cut with fent. He finally came back around a few weeks later & said I was right & claimed he got it tested & that his meth was "cut with cocaine". Yeah because a dealer is gonna waste expensive cocaine by putting it into some one's cheap ass meth bag? People are either so desperate to sound like they're addicted to multiple drugs or instead of blaming the shitty effects from meth, they automatically assume it must be "cut with another drug".

I've met people who would tell me their meth is cut with fentanyl because they really just wanna sound cool & gain those extra sympathy points from people by making it sound like they have some "horrible dependence on fentanyl now!". Unfortunately a lot of drug users love to use their drug habits to score sympathy from people, because they're more addicted to the attention seeking than they are the drugs themselves.

As far as OP goes, sounds like the usual meth/stimulant psychosis. Using a GRAM of meth a day, everyday, for weeks at a time, is obviously going to cause some mental health problems. That is not a "low dose" at all. Nor is "meth not as potent", in fact meth is more potent than ever now a days. You should reconsider whoever or wherever you're getting your drug facts from.

I've used lots of DXM (a dissociative drug with similar effects to PCP/Ketamine) and it rarely caused any auditory hallucinations. But meth psychosis certainly can.

I use to be able to go on 5 days meth binges before I started hallucinating. But now that I'm old, all it takes is ONE-to-TWO days of binging (if that) before I'm already having auditory hallucinations (usually in the form of sex noises or police sirens). The auditory hallucinations OP was having are classic stimulant-induced psychosis problems.

What is it with meth users thinking their meth is "laced" every time it doesn't give them the high they want? Meth is a shitty, unpredictable drug that causes brain damage & literally eats away the myelin sheeth around your nerves. It doesn't need to be "laced" to cause a wide array of various side effects.

In the end, there's always a possibility some one fucked with your meth, but I highly doubt any drug dealer is gonna waste ketamine or PCP by cutting some one else's drug with it.
And I hate to judge but you're in charge of OTHER PEOPLE'S HEALTHCARE and you're doing shit like this? Fuck, I hope I never need you for any of my "healthcare" needs. Get a grip.
Some one in "healthcare" should absolutely know that a gram of meth a day is not a "low dose" either. This post reeks of ignorance & I really hope you're not a doctor or a nurse or something & going to work all tweaked out & putting other people's lives in danger.

 

[pawgniki]

Well we all got to try to. Firstly remember paranoia is a side effect of amphetamine use. I try to rule this out when ever I have elaborate ideas of other people having evil schemes. But that's not to say it doesn't happen. And I can first hand say here in New England some assholes feel compelled to dump fetty on the crystal. I'm on Suboxone and typically when this happens I notice that I feel like shit but I also have fentanyl test strips. They give out free at my doctors and each time I've suspected this it came up positive. I washed with acetone and tested negative. There was one particular time though I did butt shot over a friend's house that had so much fentanyl in it, I could feel my eyes becoming pinned and a weird head rush. Almost like I was going to black out. I immediately took two subs but I still felt like shit and fucked up for a while. We tested the stuff after and it was like obviously very cut. I literally stopped being friends with that person who set up the dose for me and assumed she was trying to kill me or was so careless she could have. I Forgave her and put blame on dealer later....this could have just been the losers in my friend circle jealous of my opiate sobriety or trying to controll a situation or this could be a real thing that happens. Two different dealers at the time kept coming up positive for fentanyl. I stopped getting it from one of them and I mentioned how I'm on Suboxone to the other one and asked him if I could return a bag because it was making me sick LOL. It hasn't happened since so I don't know what that means. Maybe he thought he could get me more addicted or something. People are fucked. Use your gut and read peoples reactions, but never forget to first consider the is most likely paranoia induced from amphetamines themselves. I literally use the scientific method to disprove that before I will call somebody out LOL. I think all of us would be better people And have a more free and light consciousness trying to find objective truths before calling out possible narratives

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Two different dealers at the time kept coming up positive for fentany

Depending on the quality of meth, some of it can have left over nasty, toxic chemicals in it that could could possibly cause a false positive for fentanyl.
I once took some tramadol & yet a piss test said I took PCP, MDMA, meth & morphine. It was absolutely tramadol & none of those things. But that can happen on piss tests. I bet those little fent tests strips are even less reliable some times.

'm on Suboxone to the other one and asked him if I could return a bag because it was making me sick LOL

Taking opioids on top of Suboxone does not make people "sick" though. Once the opioid wears off you'll feel "sick", as in withdrawal , but these are two different kinds of "sicks". And I'm not sure which you're referring to here. Taking a full agonist on Suboxone can & still will get a person high, especially one as potent as fentanyl, which could lead to opioid side effects like "nausea", but still I don't know what "sick" is being used in this context.

My pupils still get pinned from Subs alone even after 8 years of daily use. So your pupils becoming pinned after a butt shot of meth (when you're also on Suboxone) could mean a lot of things.

I once took the tiniest dose of fentanyl (while on Suboxone) and it had me nodding so hard in a way I had never felt before & it felt like I was gonna straight up die. It was literally less powder than the size of a match head. So I still find it difficult to believe that even some one else on Suboxone could be smoking & doing butt shots of fentanyl & their only complaints are "I felt my pupils pin / weird head rush (meth on it's own gives me insane head rushes & dizzy spells, like cmon) and feeling sick". Those three things are not typical side effects of fentanyl really, besides pinned pupils, but you're also on maintenance opioid that pins the hell out of people's pupils.


But that's just me. I've done way more meth in my lifetime than I care to admit & I have never, EVER come across anyone lacing meth with fentanyl. It's just ridiculously stupid. And just because a person is on Suboxone, doesn't mean they aren't still at risk from overdose if they're using fentanyl. Subs do not fully block fentanyl, because they're roughly the same potency & can compete for the receptors. In fact, fentanyl is just a little more potent than buprenorphine even, with buprenorphine already being 40-50x more potent than morphine.

 

[HealingEnergy14]

Ketamine seems extremely unlikely, especially since you were smoking the substance.

Possibly PCP was involved, as it can cause serious delusions.

Nonetheless I think everyone here would agree the most likely scenario is just that you got into some kind of psychosis because of your methamphetamine abuse. It's not uncommon to experience these kind of "trippy" highs from amphetamines.

You need to calm down with the amphetamine usage, nobody can keep using amphetamines for long. We all have our amazing periods on them but eventually this drug will just turn against you.

Quit while you are ahead, although it sounds like the drug might be catching up to you.

 

[jasperkent]

Staying awake for several days will cause psychosis in the healthiest of people, with or without drugs.

 

[the_ketaman]

I thought you meant 0.1g-0.05g. Once I saw a comment clearing up that it was actually 0.5-1.0g I now see that you were using quite a large amount, that is certainly no small amount of meth.

I would be psychotic after 2-3 days of using this amount. If I IV'd and maybe even if I smoked 0.1g a day I'd be psychotic within a week maybe less.

I really hope you've been able to stop as this is such self-destructive behaviour. Nothing good will come of this and at the worst death could come from this in a short amount of time.
Please stop! You are so much more important than meth!!!