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Is Cannabis Truly a Psychedelic?

The word "narcotic" is Latinized Greek. It literally means "stupor, sleep inducing".

Think of the word "narcolepsy". Narco means sleep inducing / stupor / to go unconscious.
Narcolepsy is when you randomly fall asleep uncontrollably.

Or the word "narcosis", which is when you're so high from an opioid that you're falling asleep. Or it can happen to people who come up from the ocean.

But the root of the words is "narco", aka sleep inducing.

Technically only opioids are considered "narcotics". But law enforcement & some healthcare people will refer to any and all drugs as "narcotics".
It has nothing to do with "hedonism" or "wanting more" or anything like that though.

This can easily be looked up, so it still amazes me that no one's been able to give the clear definition of what a "narcotic" is. Everyone thinks that because people in power wrongly label some drugs as "narcotics", that it means they are. Narcotics are opioids, period. Nothing else should ever be considered a "narcotic", except for the true masters of narcosis. If the drug doesn't induce-sleep or a stupor-like state, then it isn't a "narcotic". Saying a stimulant is a "narcotic" is an oxymoron, since narco means sleep.

Also for the record, tweakers are not junkies. I've been running into meth heads lately who call themselves "junkies" & it just irks me.
Unless you're out collecting scrap metal to pawn for heroin money, then you aren't a true "junkie", since that's where the word originates.
But I still consider myself & all opioid users "junkies". And meth/amp addicts are speedfreaks/tweakers.
 
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yeah, but also language evolves... for instance, try telling people that an electric shock has to kill one in order for it to be considered "electrocution" (electro + execution).... many ppl will argue against you... and they'd be right, if the dictionary considered non- death electrocution as being commonly used.

irregardless is a word now ffs lol, i recently stopped getting super butthurt at butchering of the english language. ppl is ppl.

(the thing is is that... etc. lol)
 
nepalnt21 said:
yeah, but also language evolves... for instance, try telling people that an electric shock has to kill one in order for it to be considered "electrocution" (electro + execution).... many ppl will argue against you... and they'd be right, if the dictionary considered non- death electrocution as being commonly used.

irregardless is a word now ffs lol, i recently stopped getting super butthurt at butchering of the english language. ppl is ppl.

(the thing is is that... etc. lol)
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I ain't disagreeing.
 
nepalnt21 said:
yeah, but also language evolves... for instance, try telling people that an electric shock has to kill one in order for it to be considered "electrocution" (electro + execution).... many ppl will argue against you... and they'd be right, if the dictionary considered non- death electrocution as being commonly used.

irregardless is a word now ffs lol, i recently stopped getting super butthurt at butchering of the english language. ppl is ppl.

(the thing is is that... etc. lol)
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True, but any moment can be turned into a teaching moment.

So if anyone out there really wants to know what a narcotic is or where the word comes from, well, you're welcome! lol
 
PtahTek said:
imo/e; yes weed is a psychedelic
i think it's classified as such but idk
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I hold the same opinion.

It's more psychedelic when you're inexperienced.

It's more of a medicine, a way to keep balance when you're..... well-traveled.

I'll never forget my first couple of forays. There was a point where me and a few buddies thought that smoking weed turned everything into a cartoon or a caricature of everything we saw, or it felt like we were walking our high school halls as actors in a production that we knew nothing about.

everything just felt like a movie.

it was amazing and I wish I could tap into that again.
 
Jibult said:
I hold the same opinion.

It's more psychedelic when you're inexperienced.

It's more of a medicine, a way to keep balance when you're..... well-traveled.

I'll never forget my first couple of forays. There was a point where me and a few buddies thought that smoking weed turned everything into a cartoon or a caricature of everything we saw, or it felt like we were walking our high school halls as actors in a production that we knew nothing about.

everything just felt like a movie.

it was amazing and I wish I could tap into that again.
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that sounds like psychosis

the movie feeling

maybe i should get untreated for mental illness now that i dont smoke pot

or maybe both our high schools posessed people who were acting the part of a jock or a goth or whst have you , and our friend groups were aware of how american life is more similar to a film than it is to what we imagine real life is supposed to be like
 
helpingout said:
that sounds like psychosis

the movie feeling

maybe i should get untreated for mental illness now that i dont smoke pot

or maybe both our high schools posessed people who were acting the part of a jock or a goth or whst have you , and our friend groups were aware of how american life is more similar to a film than it is to what we imagine real life is supposed to be like
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hey man

you're probably okay

people been trying to tell me i'm off for years now

like 97% of the time I'm the only homeowner in that conversation

stay strong, fam

also i might be psychotic. I think it's more of a manic/depressive kind of thing, maybe a touch of autism to throw in some emotion-related curveballs but yeah.

I figure whatever it is I'll wear my heart on my sleeve and voice my thoughts for everyone to hear.

You got this, dude.
 
vlzinspace said:
its only psychedelic when you have absolutely no tolerance (and some decent sticky)
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I don’t think people are adjusted enough to the point you’re making. Really consider the meaning of it.

Marijuana produces pronounced psychedelic effects in users whom have no tolerance.
Like everyone can basically agree that without a tolerance, high doses of marijuana are ill advised because people will trip wildly the fuck out.

My first Marijuana experience was psychedelic.
I could see my mother and fathers faces, as clear as if they were right in front of me, but the age on their faces put them at about the age they would have been when I was a spring chicken no more than knee high to a grasshopper. My father, bespectacled, as he had not worn spectacles since he had gotten lasick when I was twenty, and my mother, young and thin and beautiful. But my parents were not in front of me, and I was at the home of an old hippie, he saw that I was basically interstellar, and he set me up in the bedroom away from the pot party, he gave me a cold Coca Cola and he put on dark side of the moon on his record player. And he said “you’ll get through this man.” Then he turned off the light and the lava lamp turned on and I just kept staring into the faces of my parents, somewhat aware of reality, but otherwise completely and totally transfixed by the emotional disappointment of my non present parents whom were very upset with me for having gotten so high. I passed out and my friends got me home after the pot party. I have no recollection of ever leaving that room. Might still be there for all I know. Just tripping out on that weed.

By the way the weed was so sticky that it clung to glass when pressed and resisted gravity. Good weed but needless to say. No one else at the pot party was in anyway having a psychedelic experience except me because I was cannabis naive.

So what I’m getting at is best conveyed through analogy.

Heroin causes narcosis. Nodding out. Most people report really intensely vivid visions during this period. But experienced users will be able to use heroin, they might nod, but the euphoria aspect will be less pronounced than in a naive user and the visions will most definitely be far less intense possibly not present for them.

Tolerance to a drugs effects does not mean that the drug does not posess that effect.

It just means that habitual users are tolerant to those more subtle effects of a drug.


Marijuana is a powerful psychedelic.

But it’s psychedelic effects are tenuated in users with tolerance.
 
helpingout said:
Heroin causes narcosis. Nodding out. Most people report really intensely vivid visions during this period. But experienced users will be able to use heroin, they might nod, but the euphoria aspect will be less pronounced than in a naive user and the visions will most definitely be far less intense possibly not present for them.
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You bring up a good point. Morphine (a lot, in me) and Heroin can produce visions of a sort. Waking dreams of a pastel dreamy quality which are nonetheless quit "real". Dissociatives can give visions. When I was Kratom naive, a dose which was near a sick dose had me seeing wild ass shit with my eyes closed. Are they psychedelic?
 
I think weed is a hallucinogen, but not exactly a "psychedelic". And that hallucinogenic & psychedelic can be two different categories.

The difference being, "psychedelics" are usually drugs that act on the serotonin syndrome & are known for disrupting your brains ability to process patterns. Maybe cannabis does fit in this category. But does it activate the serotonergic system the same way shrooms or LSD does? I'm not sure about that.

Hallucinogenic drugs however, can be anything that induces altered states of thinking, consciousness or hallucinations, but isn't regarded as a "true psychedelic". As described above, even opioids can randomly bring on lucid dreams, but we don't call opioids "psychedelic". I remember when I first started using buprenorphine, it would give me nods where I'd have to lay down & close my eyes. And while I laid there, I'd have very intense auditory hallucinations of weird sounds & things that were not there.

But if I jumped on a drug forum & tried convincing people that buprenorphine is a 'psychedelic' because of this fact, people would think I'm nuts & rightfully so.

So there should be language that can discern between the differences of a drug being a true psychedelic & a drug being able to induce hallucinations or altered perceptions, but aren't typically classified as "psychedelics" by their very different nature of their pharmacology.
 
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vlzinspace said:
its only psychedelic when you have absolutely no tolerance (and some decent sticky)
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IDK, man.
Been smoking for centries and still feel that smoking ir eating leaves me in bat country. Giving the fact that I eat and smoke once in a while or every 3 days or so sometime once a day. Low dose edibles also help me sleep through the night instead of waking many times and get stuck lack of quality sleep can cause a myriad of issues. Maybe it's just me. Dout it, though.
Tripping now on some gorilla glue vape. A few hits but enough.
I feel that smoking constantly one gets stuck in the trip and becomes blasé. Just an opinion....
I find it can definitely kill an ego. lol
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
I think weed is a hallucinogen, but not exactly a "psychedelic". And that hallucinogenic & psychedelic can be two different categories.
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Not get off topic but I feel that and psychoactive substance is a hallucinagen. If it warps " reality" or changes ones perspective on a given subject, situation, object etc then that would include most everything even food.
Not sure how I would differentiate from hallucinagen and psychedelic tbph does the psychedelic make one have psychotic episodes?
 
PtahTek said:
Not get off topic but I feel that and psychoactive substance is a hallucinagen. If it warps " reality" or changes ones perspective on a given subject, situation, object etc then that would include most everything even food.
Not sure how I would differentiate from hallucinagen and psychedelic tbph does the psychedelic make one have psychotic episodes?
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I think of it as a psychedelic produces "psychedelia", (I.e. - geometric patterns, size distortion, color enhancement & distortion, "groovy" sensations, epiphanies, etc..)..

But with that definition, I guess you could say dissociatives & deliriants could be psychedelics as well.

For the sake of simplicity, a psychedelic should be any drug that interacts with the same serotonin receptors as shrooms & LSD. Anything else is a "hallucinogen".

This probably sounds pedantic, but I think distinctions are important & it's fun to debate anyway, so.. lol
 
Marijuana can deffinately be psychadelic in the right dosages however I feel that it's only when you eat it vs smoking it. When you eat it, thc metabolizes to 11-hydroxy thc which has a far my psychadelic and heady response as opposed to wheb you smoke thc which you then have delta-9 thc in your system.

Its part of why edibles and smoking are so different and don't really have an equipotent Dosing
 
jveiojajoivioedsac said:
No. It's addictive, makes people anxious and paranoid as shit, socially broken, and dumb.

It's a deliriant.
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Hahahahahahahahaha

I love this take because it is sometimes, not all the times, true, but it’s misleading and mongs fear. It’s also funny as shit. But I just hit a 40%cbd40%thc dab so maybe I’m just addicted, anxious, paranoid, socially broken and dumb.

Or maybe my sense of humor is just pleased from the finest herb this squire can smoke.
 
helpingout said:
Hahahahahahahahaha

I love this take because it is sometimes, not all the times, true, but it’s misleading and mongs fear. It’s also funny as shit. But I just hit a 40%cbd40%thc dab so maybe I’m just addicted, anxious, paranoid, socially broken and dumb.

Or maybe my sense of humor is just pleased from the finest herb this squire can smoke.
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Hey just to be clear I do think your dab should be legal and fuck it, free. People can be high and addicted and think their addiction is making their life better if they want.
 
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Pissed_and_messed said:
yeah
hedonistic and makes you want more. some sort of withdrawals, even if minor.

alcohol and heroin are better agents of escapism. Weed does not always bring people to total state of indifference after all.
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One of the things I always appreciated about weed, that it share in common with many psychedelics, is that it makes me sharply self critical. It definitely has an element of escapism but not dominantly, at least for me.
 
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