2C-EF, ~5mg (allegedly), rectally -- First and Second Times -- What I Imagined 2C-B Would B

[Pfafffed]

2C-EF, ~5mg (allegedly), rectally -- First time -- What I Imagined 2C-B Would Be

Powdered a tablet sold as 10mg, then weighed and divided the piles in half. Disolved one pile in 1mL of water, injected into my rectum via a syringe. Double washed the container, squirting the washes up my butt to ensure I got most of the dose into me.

Set: Good mood. The only supplements in my system are ashwaganda, theanine, and three magnesium tablets. Sleep last night was shit. Had a filling breakfast and a very light lunch.

1:20 Dosed.

1:24 Onset or alert.

1:29 Feeling mentally smooth in the shower. Feels nice. Default mode network shutting down, with my focus shifting to whatever I'm doing or feeling.

1:34 Ascent appears to be linear. Still smooth-feeling in character. Visual activity noted, but it's ambiguous. This is what I thought 2C-B (and later 2C-B-Fly) were going to be like before I took them. Sensual. This is lovely stuff. I could see this being my favorite non-thio 2C-x family drug.

1:38 I've got some mild nausea which may or may not be tied to the urge to void the water in my rectum. I lay down and suck on a lemon drop and a ginger chew whenever it arises at the start of the experience, and that clears it up easily each time. Laying on the couch and listening to music is the way I'm choosing to enter the space, and it's been great.

1:41 Some cerebral elements are emerging now. Has some of the transparency, openness, and suggestion of depth of DOM and the DiPT family. This suggestion of depth carries through, but I did not this time find a through line to valuable insight or inspiration. Reminds me of 2C-B-FLY or maybe 2C-E, where I'm mentally altered, but not in a productive way. It evoked a bit of 2C-E's heaviness without the chaotic, deranged, psycholytic qualities.

1:53 Music just delectable. At a much higher dose, this could be extraordinary, but at this level it is simply very nice. That said, I'm beginning to think now that this level might be enough to satisfy, that I might stick to the initial plan and forgo taking the other half of the tablet.

2:05 Or I might not lol. This truly is lovely, and I might enjoy seeing it pushed. It's way more transparent than 2C-B, but also less intoxicating. Like the difference between 4-HO-DiPT and 4-HO-MET, this doesn't have 2C-B's characteristic flavor distinctly coloring the experience. It also has way fewer side-effects. Some mild early nausea and some jaw tension barely worth mentioning. None of the brominated phlegmy congestion that I always get.

I do have a subtle, weird metallic taste in my mouth. On the other hand, I feel empowered and confident. I feel engaged, not passive. I want to tackle old home projects and tackle new ones. I think I could even be around people, despite being at a solid ++. There's no paranoia or second-guessing at all.

I keep being drawn outdoors. I enjoy the scent of irises and roses, the quality of the light. I feel motivated to clean the cobwebs off the house, to weed, to plant.

2:18 Strangely, all visual activity is open eyed. There are no CEVs at all. I'm getting pronounced visual drifting of woodgrain, but I don't give it much attention. Pupils seem more dilated than usual, something that I don't consistently get with psychedelics. I'm also noticeably hungry.

This stuff is decidedly sensual, and that makes me crave a bit more intoxicating qualities to enhance. Decide to not to take more and just enjoy 5mg, modulating with adjuncts like nitrous. I enjoy that in the hammock, and end up spending quite a bit of time there after, watching the clouds pass and the birds busy themselves. A plane flying far far overhead produces tonal and rhythmic flanging sounds, which I find fascinating. Birdsong is subtly shifted in timbre and space.

3:30 Plateau now, still lovely. I shove some cookies and strawberries into my face and am enraptured. Color, visual texture, crunch, vegetal aromatics, tender sweetness, hint of overripeness, softer spot...everything is hyper-rich. Delectable sensuality. I think about sculpting and get really excited, but I decide to do some physical training that I've been working on instead.

5:40 Physical training was exhausting. I thought things were diminishing, but it was just the delta-8-THC I had after training wearing off. I vaped only a teeny tiny bit of it, and while fine I'm glad I didn't vape more, because it just made things more confusing. I saw my partner left the house without their wedding ring, and that made me feel some complex and confused feelings that might generally be best described as sadness, as if they had gone to a show without me. I came back to this many times throughout the experience, coloring it. This lasted until I ate food, after which my attitude reverted to my norm.

6:00 Feel drained and generally dragging. Had some theanine and CBD prophylactically. I think this might have been heady at a higher dose. Weeding makes me feel much more happy, energetic, and centered.

6:50 The space is very stolid. It has concrete vibes. It's neutral, cognitive.

Attempted to eat fettucini alfredo with morels for dinner. Get several bites in before I give up. It's too rich.

7:00 I don't think the training regimen was good for my guts. I've got some mild but persistent bowel discomfort (which carries on for several hours.)

7:10 I take some valerian and melissa tincture and take a shower, feeling much better when I get out. I think that I just needed real calories, and probably still do. My allergies are a mess, so I have to retreat indoors and invest in music instead. Regardless, I'm no longer uncomfortable and am ready to again explore what this compound has to offer.

8:00 Playing analog and digital music has been fun, as usual. Nothing outside the norm, though. Gas has been getting passed for a while now, and the mild cramps and discomfort are starting to subside. I must be very slowly descending.

8:23 More gas. Noticeably closer to baseline. Ate some cheese and peanuts.

8:28 Holy cow, the pleasure and euphoria are back. I think I just needed to eat all this time! Story as old as time for me.

8:50 Still tripping, but maybe a +.

9:11 Still a +. Decide to drink some absinthe to help with the gas. Still getting shivers of full body pleasure from things like accidentally touching a cold metal chair with bare skin.

10:05 Absinthe layered instead of blunting, weirdly. Still at a very sensual + and in no shape for sleep anytime soon.

10:30 I may try to sleep.

2C-EF, ~4mg (allegedly), rectally -- Second time -- Still What I Imagined 2C-B Would Be
2C-EF ~4mg (allegedly,) Rectal -- Second time (my friend had ~6mg based on percentage weight of the tablet.)

Set: Feel a little weird this morning. Didn't eat enough food yesterday, but took my first dose of Truvada in the evening. That may have contributed to the slightly "dizzy" headspace. It definitely made it impossible to eat a sturdy breakfast. I still managed to consume some eggs, bread, and sausage over a few hours, so the calories are there, but my hands are still cold. Might be because I had two glasses of wine, which can crash my sugar. I had a McDonald's coffee, which I think made me jumpy, shivery, and made my teeth chatter. I had a big pile of theanine not long ago, along with two tablets of loperamide to try to offset any PreP/coffee diarrhea. Want to have a chill, sensual day in. If it's overbearing or annoying later, I'm prepared to take a benzo.

12:50 - Dosed. I alerted within 5min. My friend took ~6mg and was perturbed when they didn't immediately start tripping. I had to remind them that it was a phenethylamine, and to expect the same kind of trajectory as mescaline. That was borne out. The dosage was ideal for me. I think they tripped harder than was ideal, but they thought that it was just right. They wouldn't want any more. Nausea cropped up for me only very briefly this time and was transient, resolving on its own within less than a minute each time.

We pretty much immediately got involved in three hours of physical intimacy. We were very slow, sensual, and passionate. I found this material wonderful for the erotic. My friend was almost completely unable to maintain an erection despite three days of 10mg of amino tadalafil, but I couldn't have cared less. Orgasms were unbelievable, and honest, and fullsome sensual exploration was phenomenal. My friend compared the intimacy with that of mescaline, which I think is fair, and better than 2C-B both somatically and emotionally. They also found it to be less somatically erotic than an solid 5-MeO-MiPT experience, which I don't think is true for me. It's a tough comparison, to be honest, because 5-MeO-MiPT's sensations are exceedingly familiar at this point

Once again, there are no CEVs, just some mild OEVs of visual patterning and drifting. Quite noticeable, but not interesting to me.

3:45 - Making tacos was a bit challenging. 2C-EF can be a bit confusing, especially once I hit peak. It was hard to realize that I was hungry, but I knew I skipped lunch. Time dilation was pretty strong.

My friend requested some CBD as they briefly went to a dark place. That along with watching some Planet Earth seemed to help. They had a hard time getting enough calories in them, so we snacked aggressively all night. As with last time, the softness and euphoria returned when I got food in me. Still, I think I would like this material more if it ended at the 4hr mark. Throughout the night, we both kept getting surges of pleasure, tingles, and shivers at random moments. We spent the entire evening cuddling and playing games and watching things. As with last time, it had a surprising cognitive strength in the plateau that didn't seem to lend itself to anything.

6:30 - Some gas appears. Time dilation is still present, but maybe 1/3 as intense. This is likely the beginning of the descent. Jaw tension and neck tension relieved somewhat by magnesium.

7:30 - Time dilation is gone; descent is apparent, but still at a good ++.

8:15 - Set out two double shots of whisky to help with gas and sleep.

9:10 - Went to bed and fell asleep almost immediately, sleeping well, then woke at 4:30, then at 5:30, then at 6:30. Got up, turned on the espresso machine, then went back to sleep until 7:30. Mild but irritating headache manifested, which responded to acetominophen. Some general brain fog, confusion, and fatigue - all mild and easily attributable to the whisky or especially the third day in a row of tadalafil. I also feel like I had a warm and fuzzy emotional afterglow.

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I still think this could be my favorite non-thio 2C-x. I wish my friend enjoyed it as much! It's got much of what I want: softness, mental tranquility, steadiness in the space, smooth and linear onset, pleasant physical sensations, emotional warmth, enhancement of music and beauty, and mental stillness. Who wouldn't like peace, beauty, stillness, and a sense of balance. It even had some interesting auditory elements!

It also lacked many things that I don't like. It wasn't stimulating or anxiogenic. There were very few side effects, and they were mild. It wasn't chaotic.

It's still far from perfect. The headspace wasn't very insightful, and was even a little confusing. If it wasn't blood sugar, then it seemed a little biphasic - the trip was lovely and gentle, then turned solid, blunt, and a little leaden for a long plateau period. While not unpleasant, it wasn't pleasant and it overstayed its welcome. That's the biggest mark against it. I like the plateau of 2C-B better than the peak, but it's far too short. I don't like the plateau of 2C-EF so far, and it's far too long. 9hrs when dosed rectally, hurried along by alcohol is longer than what I want for what this material offers. This is only two doses and one ROA - maybe it has a different character at higher/lower doses or via a different ROA, but my experience sounds very similar to oral reports, just shorter (and maybe 2x as potent?) I'd be curious to explore insufflation, which might be a little more appropriate for what I'm looking for (shorter, more intense) but the fact that my material is in binder makes me less inclined to do that. I could also see an even lighter dose being quite nice for a museum or beach day.

 

[xdrc]

Great report, thank you!

 

[iom]

Reading along, I was kind of hoping you'd take the booster, but I understand why you wouldn't want to in your circumstances.

I've really enjoyed all the 2C-X I've tried, and I expect I'd like this one too if I came across it. I'm trying so hard to imagine what it's like, but it almost sounds like a cross between 2C-B and 2C-E? Maybe low doses are more like the former and high doses more like the latter? I also have enjoyed benefits in the bedroom from all the 2C-X I've tried, each in its own way. I do think 2C-B is overrated in this regard, and 2C-E is maybe not a good fit for most couples as it often causes body discomfort and intense feelings of vulnerability. The latter can lead to pretty amazing intimacy with the right partner though.

If you get around to it, I definitely look forward to hearing your impression of a bigger dose. The 2C-X I'm familiar with can exhibit very different characteristics when the dose is pushed up. Perhaps a higher dose would push you into a more interesting mind-set.

 

[4DQSAR]

Truvada?

Take care of youself, my friend.

If you ever get hold of any instrumental data, I will be able to confirm for you but on the balance of probabilities, I suggest it's likely to be as stated with the important caveat that I've seen the instrumental data of many PEAs and I kept noting that the 2,3,5 positional isomers were often found as impurities. But I suggest it's not intentional misrepresentation. Merely people who quite reasonably accept that 95% purity the remaining 5% being non-toxic is fine.

But Truvada - man, it's a truly remarkable area of research and I cannot imagine an interaction but if you need that particular medication, your body chemistry may be altered. I mean, it essentially spoofs the body by feeding it bioisosteres of guanidine which disrupts DNA synthesis on the basis of fractionation.

 

[Pfafffed]

But Truvada - man, it's a truly remarkable area of research and I cannot imagine an interaction but if you need that particular medication, your body chemistry may be altered. I mean, it essentially spoofs the body by feeding it bioisosteres of guanidine which disrupts DNA synthesis on the basis of fractionation.

Thanks, it was for PASC (long COVID,) and it actually worked! (for me-YMMV) No symptoms after a month of treatment, and I'm off it now.

If you ever get hold of any instrumental data, I will be able to confirm for you but on the balance of probabilities, I suggest it's likely to be as stated with the important caveat that I've seen the instrumental data of many PEAs and I kept noting that the 2,3,5 positional isomers were often found as impurities. But I suggest it's not intentional misrepresentation. Merely people who quite reasonably accept that 95% purity the remaining 5% being non-toxic is fine.

That's very kind of you to offer!

Reading along, I was kind of hoping you'd take the booster, but I understand why you wouldn't want to in your circumstances.

I've really enjoyed all the 2C-X I've tried, and I expect I'd like this one too if I came across it. I'm trying so hard to imagine what it's like, but it almost sounds like a cross between 2C-B and 2C-E? Maybe low doses are more like the former and high doses more like the latter? I also have enjoyed benefits in the bedroom from all the 2C-X I've tried, each in its own way. I do think 2C-B is overrated in this regard, and 2C-E is maybe not a good fit for most couples as it often causes body discomfort and intense feelings of vulnerability. The latter can lead to pretty amazing intimacy with the right partner though.

If you get around to it, I definitely look forward to hearing your impression of a bigger dose. The 2C-X I'm familiar with can exhibit very different characteristics when the dose is pushed up. Perhaps a higher dose would push you into a more interesting mind-set.

I doubt I'll be in any hurry to double the dose given two experiences that had a long, neutral plateau (and reading that that's a common theme.) That plateau is vaguely similar in cognitive feel to 2C-E, but not as interesting (at this dosage level,) and I'm pretty indifferent to 2C-E. It's blunt but not rich, much like I find the headspace of 2C-B-FLY to be.

If I do push it, I think it will be by pushing higher peak plasma levels through insufflation. The more I think about it, the more inclined I am to explore that route. After all, I tend to like insufflating 2C-x materials more than most. The only report of that ROA that I've come across made it sound indistinguishable from the rectal ROA, but who knows.

 

[Pfafffed]

I found a report in my notes from not long after my first trip. At the time, I was still on PreP. I haven't revisited 2C-EF since this trip.
tl;dr I liked the first 4hrs a lot, but again it switched modes midway into a too-long, uninteresting plateau.

2C-EF (product sold as) ~4mg Rectal -- Second time (My friend had ~6mg based on percentage weight of the tablet.)

Feel a little weird this morning. Didn't eat enough food yesterday. That may have contributed to the slightly off headspace. I still consumed eggs and bread and sausage over a few hours, so the calories are there, but my hands are still cold. Might be because I had two glasses of wine last night without pre-treating with DHM. That may also have contributed to some somatic sensations of anxiety on top of the poor metabolism. I had a McDonald's coffee, which I think made me jumpy, shivery, and made my teeth chatter. I had a big pile of theanine not long ago, along with two tablets of Immodium to try to offset any coffee diarrhea. Want to have a chill, sensual day in. If it's overbearing or annoying later, I'm prepared to take a benzo.

12:50 - Dosed. I alerted within 5min. My friend was perturbed when they didn't immediately start tripping. I had to remind them that it was a phenethylamine, and to expect the same kind of trajectory as mescaline. That was borne out. The dosage was ideal for me. I think they tripped harder than was ideal, but they thought that it was just right. They wouldn't want any more. Nausea cropped up for me only very briefly this time and was transient, resolving on its own within less than a minute each time.

The next three hours were marked by slow and sensual physical intimacy. I found this material wonderful for the erotic. Orgasms were unbelievable, and the emotional dimension of sex felt honest and open. My friend compared the intimacy with that of mescaline, which I think is fair. Better than 2C-B both somatically and emotionally. They said less somatically erotic than an optimal 5-MeO-MiPT experience, which I don't think is true for me, but it's a hard comparison. Moxy is exceedingly familiar at this point.

3:45 - Made some tacos, which was a bit challenging. 2C-EF can be a bit confusing, especially once I hit peak. It was hard to realize that I was hungry, but I knew I skipped lunch. Time dilation was pretty strong.

My friend requested some CBD as they briefly went to a dark place. That along with watching some Planet Earth seemed to help. They had a hard time getting enough calories in them, so we snacked aggressively all night. As with last time, the softness and euphoria returned when I got food in me. Still, I think I would like this material more if it ended at the 4hr mark. Throughout the night, we both kept getting surges of pleasure, tingles, and shivers at random moments. We spent the entire evening cuddling and playing games and watching things. As with last time, it had a surprising cognitive strength in the plateau that didn't seem to lend itself to anything.

6:30 - Some gas appears. Time dilation is still present, but maybe 1/3 as intense. This is likely the beginning of the descent. Jaw tension and neck tension relieved somewhat by magnesium.

7:30 - Time dilation is gone; descent is apparent, but still at a good ++.

I slept like a baby at 9:10 almost as soon as my head hit the pillow. Woke at 4:30, then at 5:30, then at 6:30. Got up, turned on the espresso machine, then went back to sleep until 7:30. Mild but irritating headache; responded to acetominophen. Some general brain fog, confusion, and fatigue - all mild and easily attributable to the 4 shots of whisky (DHM notwithstanding) or especially the third day in a row of 10mg amino tadalafil. I also feel like I had a warm and fuzzy emotional afterglow.
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It's still far from perfect. The headspace wasn't very insightful, and was even a little confusing. If it wasn't blood sugar, then it seemed a little biphasic - the trip was lovely and gentle, then turned solid, blunt, and a little leaden for a long plateau period. While not unpleasant, it wasn't pleasant and it overstayed its welcome. That's the biggest mark against it. I like the plateau of 2C-B better than the peak, but it's far too short. I don't like the plateau of 2C-EF so far, and it's far too long. 9hrs when dosed rectally and hurried along by alcohol is longer than I want for what the space. This is only two doses and one ROA - maybe it has a different character at higher/lower doses or via a different ROA, but my experience sounds very similar to oral reports, just shorter (and maybe 2x as potent?) I'd be curious to explore insufflation, which might be a little more appropriate for what I'm looking for (shorter, more intense) but the fact that my material is in binder makes me less inclined to do that. I could also see an even lighter dose being quite nice for a museum or beach day.