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US Politics How deep is the state (the deep state)

tryptakid said:
Frankly, most of the waste that was made public seems to have been largely over-emphasized. Their cuts have been pretty minor overall since the vast majority of our budgetary commitments involve military spending, debt payments, and health care. The cuts that DOGE made seem like they'll save very little money while eroding the upside good that was coming from them - American soft power/cultural influence for doing good things that people had come to appreciate and rely on.
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DOGE was one of the worst projects ever, second only to the increased empowerment of the military branch (domestic terrorist organization) ICE.
 
Titling an agency as government efficiency is kind of backwards. Because there is no thing as government efficiency.
There is overemployment in the public sector. and big government coincides with the empire.
An empire is built on lies. and Truth is treason in an empire of lies. Every empire eventually falls. We just don't know when.
I like the intent of DOGE. I just wish the waste was cut.
The pedophiles in washington and hollywood won. and sex trafficking is still a thing.
Take sex off the table in a professional relationship, and you can accomplish a lot.
Oh yeah, that book.

 
ions said:
Titling an agency as government efficiency is kind of backwards. Because there is no thing as government efficiency.
There is overemployment in the public sector. and big government coincides with the empire.
An empire is built on lies. and Truth is treason in an empire of lies. Every empire eventually falls. We just don't know when.
I like the intent of DOGE. I just wish the waste was cut.
The pedophiles in washington and hollywood won. and sex trafficking is still a thing.
Take sex off the table in a professional relationship, and you can accomplish a lot.
Oh yeah, that book.

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So, you mean to tell me that the waste and pedophiles won AND we still have to deal with Trump.

Talk about a lose lose.....

Cutting health care means less doctors visits to catch the victims of sex trafficking - this is one of the primary interventions that can interrupt child abuse
 
as it be. That's just another example of the deep state. The Epstein stuff happening.
What transpired in the past two months of the admin was not the initial stepping point as a peace president.
I think the deep state got to trump. said we have 7 ways to sunday to kill you if you don't do what we say.

Now on healthcare cuts. I'm all for it. Even tho it doesn't directly affect me. There are victims of modern medicine who are forced injections in hospitals and jails because they are incarcerated. Without funding for these unnecessary shots, the cost is so high that it wouldn't be in practice. This is what I call the weaponization of medicine. They could give me the $3500 every month that goes to big pharma and I would independent.

And then there's COVID the gain of function research that went on there. Plandemic. Authoritarians telling you to stay 6 feet away, wear a mask, and get a deadly and dangerous shot. Again. truth is treason in an empire of lies.
 
ions said:
as it be. That's just another example of the deep state. The Epstein stuff happening.
What transpired in the past two months of the admin was not the initial stepping point as a peace president.
I think the deep state got to trump. said we have 7 ways to sunday to kill you if you don't do what we say.
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Trump is just doing what many anti-Trump folks have always been saying he was going to do. No one touched the guy, he just lied to people while kind of broadcasting the truth all along.
ions said:
Now on healthcare cuts. I'm all for it. Even tho it doesn't directly affect me.
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Stop right there - it does effect you. Poor health leads to worsening social problems and the potential for disease outbreaks and behavioral sink.
ions said:
There are victims of modern medicine who are forced injections in hospitals and jails because they are incarcerated.
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This has nothing to do with health care
ions said:
Without funding for these unnecessary shots, the cost is so high that it wouldn't be in practice. This is what I call the weaponization of medicine. They could give me the $3500 every month that goes to big pharma and I would independent.
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I work in and around health care and have my entire career - I've seen the benefits that adequate public health interventions have on personal and community wellness. I've also seen how cutting off access to necessary services leads to suffering. I've been fortunate to access care when i've needed it and I've seen folks who couldn't. These cuts will increase the burden society must shoulder on the already impoverished, while making the lives of hard working health care workers like me even more difficult. All to ensure that DJTjr, Eric, and Melania have another decimal point more wealth.

MAGA got played for a fool and we are all suffering more because of it.
ions said:
And then there's COVID the gain of function research that went on there. Plandemic. Authoritarians telling you to stay 6 feet away, wear a mask, and get a deadly and dangerous shot. Again. truth is treason in an empire of lies.
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Again - I worked in a city hospital during the pandemic. You have no idea what you're talking about with this stuff. You're out of your element when it comes to this stuff - stick to what you know.
 
Many politicians will say things to win votes. As opposed to doing the right thing.
There's the likes of Thomas Massie and Rand Paul who win votes and do the right thing.
 
ions said:
An empire is based on lies.
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Here is where we agree.
ions said:
Many politicians will say things to win votes. As opposed to doing the right thing.
There's the likes of Thomas Massie and Rand Paul who win votes and do the right thing.
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Maybe - I dislike them less than I dislike MAGA as a whole. Still, I see them as complicit in getting us into this mess so I have a hard time believing that they're part of the solution.

The right thing would be to help prosecute Donald J Trump for treason.
 
In all honesty I do not want medicare health insurance. The health insurance I would opt for is private companies competing against each other for lower premiums. Get government out of that business. Stick to what you're good at. defending the constitution.
 
ions said:
In all honesty I do not want medicare health insurance. The health insurance I would opt for is private companies competing against each other for lower premiums. Get government out of that business. Stick to what you're good at. defending the constitution.
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I work with health insurance all day every day. Competition is actually not helpful here.

I'd much prefer a single payer that is not focused on profitability. Profit motives create incentives to reduce services at the expense of someone who is sick.

Having worked in government as well I can say that one of the most interesting things is the experience of seeing what service delivery looks like when making money is not the goal. The incentive for basic needs should be to provide adequate service and foster a healthy population. Taking profit-interests out of that equation would make services more strategic while requiring less monied-interests to operate. If you travel to social democracies you can see that they are able to provide universal coverage with paid-for optional care over and above that.
 
There are 10,000 ways to do it. This is what has been chosen. I think the private company competing for lower premiums is the better alternative.
The cost of medical attention is nowhere near what is being charged.
And the likelihood you seek medical attention for something you don't need to is much greater when it's so called 'free'
It's not free, big pharma and the hospitals are getting away with highway robbery.
 
ions said:
There are 10,000 ways to do it. This is what has been chosen. I think the private company competing for lower premiums is the better alternative.
The cost of medical attention is nowhere near what is being charged.
And the likelihood you seek medical attention for something you don't need to is much greater when it's so called 'free'
It's not free, big pharma and the hospitals are getting away with highway robbery.
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That's why you have experts (physicians, clinicians, therapists) whose role it is to advise you on what you do/don't need.

When there's no profit incentive in the system, you remove the motivation to push that which is unnecessary. You allow the relationship to determine what's needed and you remove profit from consideration.
 
Next topic.
How the central bank dangerous counterfeiting of money resulted in a drastic decline of purchasing power in the dollar.
People chase the dollar as a drug. And what you can buy with it is significantly less than it was before the federal reserve was created.
 
ions said:
precisely.
When you have the government standard of healthcare, you remove the freedom to choose.
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That's why having optional buy in on and above the basic coverage would be a remedy for that.

Imagine your basic care - ED/primary care/necessary specialty services are provided free of charge. Then imagine that you can buy into optional plans that cover services based on your lifestyle/preferences/what you chose to spend money on.
 
ions said:
Next topic.
How the central bank dangerous counterfeiting of money resulted in a drastic decline of purchasing power in the dollar.
People chase the dollar as a drug. And what you can buy with it is significantly less than it was before the federal reserve was created.
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You won't find any arguments from me here. This is the curse of neoliberal/neoconservative privatization of public funds. They privatized it in a way that benefits an elite while strangling the working class.
 
Nothing comes free.
I'd rather pay out of pocket for my medical bills. at a price the market dictates.
You get coverage, and they claim its free, then the government provider goes looking for teeth to pull.
 
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