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Will i see a decent government before i die?

abdnlad said:
First thing never be ashamed of being British, just because our government is crap all the time, lots of people around the world would love to have our passport. We live a very liberal lifestyle where we can speak freely, not get jailed for just being a journalist or killed. We have food, water and shelter all for free from the state, not much I know, but I have seen kids begging for food and water, that hurts your heart.
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People literally get jailed for social media posts in Britain lol.
 
new2drugs said:
we will never agree
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abdnlad said:
First thing never be ashamed of being British, just because our government is crap all the time, lots of people around the world would love to have our passport. We live a very liberal lifestyle where we can speak freely, not get jailed for just being a journalist or killed. We have food, water and shelter all for free from the state, not much I know, but I have seen kids begging for food and water, that hurts your heart.
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I agree. Britain has done done truly heinous and unforgivable shit over the years… but we (of this generation) didn’t do it. We have the power to change the future of our country.

This is precisely why we need to avoid the platitudes of right wing populism and strive for what is truly possible under meaningful left wing governance ❤️

Izzy is bang on: the only good times this country has ever seen for working people have been under left wing governments. Fight for what we are owed ❤️
 
I watched Magnum, PI in the 80s. Honestly not all that… ;)

Yeah, the NHS has been run to fail for at least a generation or two now. Run it into the ground whilst gradually selling it off piecemeal seems to be the plan.

And this is what our grandparents and great-grandparents fought the Nazis to get us. It’s fukkin disgusting frankly :|
 
A lot can change between election seasons. Who would have predicted a labour landslide 5 years ago? I mean alright it's a different labour party but that's also kind of the point; public sentiment and party priorities are fickle and can and do and will change really quickly under the right circumstances.

But back to the NHS, I have to admit that until a couple of years ago I hadn't realized quite how bad things had gotten. I knew waiting times for mental health referrals had become insurmountable but I didn't realize how bad things had gotten on the front lines inside hospitals -departments being completely overwhelmed, packed medical wards with a only a single nurse overseeing half a dozen stressed HCAs, consultants missing things because they have 20 patients to see in a day as vital staff and equipment continue to be cut- and outside -with hour long waits for ambulances, all night long waits for emergency nursing services and people dying of preventable causes while waiting for treatment- until it was all put right in front of me, and I think if more people had seen that side of things they would reassess their priorities. The thing is most people just don't experience it first hand until they get really sick or someone they care about gets really sick but the worse it gets and the longer it goes on the more it'll ripple out.

If and when reform manage to elect a majority that will only become more apparent as they go about deporting people and making it harder for skilled (and unskilled) workers to enter the country while slashing public spending and privatizing public services as our healthcare system continues to decline. Maybe letting them have a go will be the wake up call we all need. Maybe...

Where did all that come from... It must be the heat.
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No. No we most definitely do not need a Reform wake-up call. The NHS is in such tatters that a party as far to the Right as that would probably end it permanently. Not even slightly overstating :|

We seriously, seriously need a truly centre-left government of who… I honestly don’t know who could supply. Maybe the Greens… but some hope of that :\

The slow but sustained rightward drift has truly fukked us all. At this point the Overton Window is so tilted the Left is barely a tracing at this point.

There are no good options available to us. Greens are the closest. Plus they amend themselves to the will of their members. Closest to a decent option we gave imo… although a distant hope admittedly :|

PS: a Labour landslide was inevitable for years before the election. The fact the British public voted for more of the same was also inevitable :\
 
I am fairly impressed with Labour's new "Employment rights bill" - seems to be at least a semblance of an effort to level up the playing field between employers and employees. Stopping zero hours bullshit and what have you. Of course the right wing press and bosses are already screaming they can't afford it.
 
Shambles said:
No. No we most definitely do not need a Reform wake-up call. The NHS is in such tatters that a party as far to the Right as that would probably end it permanently. Not even slightly overstating
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I was being ironic. I have never been more accutely aware that the NHS in burning in the flames of compartmentalisation/privatisation and the associated budget cuts and burocracy which go hand in hand with that and it is a tragedy with a profound human cost. 15 years of conservative rule is what’s done that. Reform are just Tory but more.

I just learned that 111 is managed by a private company these days. Learned that from a paramedic over the weekend because ambulance services can’t even access their records. Who needs access to peoples medical histories huh?

If anyone ever wants to hear about the current state of the NHS have a chat with a paramedic. Had 3 crews out last week and they were all PISSED and had a lot to say… Calling 999 doesn’t even get you an ambulance these days, instead you get a callback for a telephone assessment to determine whether you actually need one. And then it still takes up to an hour for them to arrive.

I guess I’m over remaining a-political on Bluelight, I’m too angry and depressed now.

Murdering bastards.
 
Shinji Ikari said:
I was being ironic. I have never been more accutely aware that the NHS in burning in the flames of compartmentalisation/privatisation and the associated budget cuts and burocracy which go hand in hand with that and it is a tragedy with a profound human cost. 15 years of conservative rule is what’s done that. Reform are just Tory but more.

I just learned that 111 is managed by a private company these days. Learned that from a paramedic over the weekend because ambulance services can’t even access their records. Who needs access to peoples medical histories huh?

If anyone ever wants to hear about the current state of the NHS have a chat with a paramedic. Had 3 crews out last week and they were all PISSED and had a lot to say… Calling 999 doesn’t even get you an ambulance these days, instead you get a callback for a telephone assessment to determine whether you actually need one. And then it still takes up to an hour for them to arrive.

I guess I’m over remaining a-political on Bluelight, I’m too angry and depressed now.

Murdering bastards.
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I wonder where you got the idea that the "right" wants less functioning ambulance services. If anything the right-wingers I know want a more orderly and functioning society, that includes helping people as soon as possible when they need help.
 
HealingEnergy14 said:
I wonder where you got the idea that the "right" wants less functioning ambulance services. If anything the right-wingers I know want a more orderly and functioning society, that includes helping people as soon as possible when they need help.
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Britain was under conservative rule from 2010 until 2024. At the start of that period we had functional ambulance services and a somewhat cohesive effective NHS. Now at the end of that period we have neither. That's where I get the idea from.

I don't think any of the voters who facilitated that rule 'wanted' to see the NHS decimated. But that is what's happened as a consequence of successive right wing governments slashing public spending and carving the NHS up into easy to privatize bite size portions in order to facilitate lucrative private contracts in the healthcare sector along with lower taxes for the wealthy.

When I criticize 'the right' I'm not criticising ordinary people who voted for a right wing government, I'm criticizing the 300 or so rich wankers in parliament who campaigned for those votes and sold working class voters on a series of self interested lies.
 
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Shinji Ikari said:
Britain was under conservative rule from 2010 until 2024. At the start of that period we had functional ambulance services and a somewhat cohesive effective NHS. Now at the end of that period we have neither. That's where I get the idea from.

I don't think any of the voters who facilitated that rule 'wanted' to see the NHS decimated. But that is what's happened as a consequence of successive right wing governments slashing public spending and carving the NHS up into easy to privatize bite size portions in order to facilitate lucrative private contracts in the healthcare sector along with lower taxes for the wealthy.

When I criticize 'the right' I'm not criticising ordinary people who voted for a right wing government, I'm criticizing the 300 or so rich wankers in parliament who campaigned for those votes and sold working class voters on a series of self interested lies.
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That sounds sensible to me.

I get the idea society looks a lot more polarized and opposed to eachother these days than the (working class) people actually are.

Media is a part of this but politicians also just seem to make society continually worse regardless of who gets voted in to power.
 
UK? No neve
Jnowhere said:
I hope you understood that the King Charles and King Camilla was a joke.

I thought the Brexit thing was a vote. Fuck democracy?

I am concerned as to whether or not to invest in British pounds, due to it being worth $1.28 US to 1£
I ain't talking thousands of dollars, let's just say more, and leave it at that. Mainly because as far back as I can remember the £=$1.50-$1.60+ for decades.
And all the things in Scotland and the exchange rate not seemingly like it will change has scared me off of serious currency investing

Given the exchange rate and America having 5 times the population; our National debt is BTW 2 1/4 and 2 1/2 times the national debt of the UK. We have been fucked over by Obama and that retard who doesn't even know he is America's president.

To be fair because I am a patriotic moderate libertarian. I hate big government and this shit got bad starting with Bill Clinton, then the Democrats lost both houses of Congress and we may have had a budget surplus.

I may lean Republican, if I vote but Bush Jr. or whatever screwed us, then Obama really drove the debt sky high.

Now this country is in real trouble, almost 35 trillion in US debt or £27.4 something trillion with 5 times the population so do the math.

I just don't trust The Labour's Party, because of Tony Blair getting involved in those 2 stupid half assed wars that; how do fuck up the Middle East worse?
Bush and Blair( to a much lessor extent) did.

If the Labour's party fucks up, The UK could be in real trouble. Here in America, as an American citizen I could move anywhere and be stuck with US taxes. Brits after a year I believe, if they aren't in the UK don't have UK taxes.
I don't know if that has changed.

My concern would be the collapse of the UK economy. The government taxes are very high and not many major companies other than things related to tourism or food are likely to bring decent jobs. Also the natural resources issues.
Yeah there is a little oil north of Scotland.

I can see the frustration but, America got careless with spending as opposed to the UK which has a big brother type government (CCTV cameras and high taxes and government control over so much and people getting too secure in their jobs and less competitive).

Hey, it is your country, but this could fuck the US up a little if the UK's economy collapses.



However these democratic socialist type governments, are something I hate.

America has had it's problems, but we still have land and natural resources.
Like I said earlier, was there a vote by the people for Brexit? If so you can't just say fuck democracy. Or was it a parliamentary vote, I use to like watching John Majors on C-span during Prime Minister's questions. I have actually understand UK politics, a little.
College course or courses.

Is there a chance at another vote to rejoin The EU?

Until about 25 years ago America was solid, and plenty of good jobs.

Food went up 50% roughly soon after sleepy Joe was inaugurated as President.

Our debt is going to kill us. And the left will not stop overspending by trillions every fucking year. I am scared that the Labour party will run up an American level, per capita debt, housing shortages and what happens when Brits become a minority in their own country, that is decades a way, sharia law. Beheading for sex before marriage, usually just the woman. Here comes the race wars.

I live in the Detroit area, which along with Dearborn has the highest Arab concentration in North America.

However, around Detroit they are of some form of Christian or Catholics
And in Dearborn, they are Muslim, but not militant.

The Chaldians(Iraqy Arabs fled Iraq because of Saddam). The Muslims in Dearborn, probably wanted to get the fuck away from their nutcase zealot governments.
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Gold has had a %50 year -- maybe since November not sure. I would be more worried about the dollar being destabilized. I HEARD BRIC has a currency backed by gold and how long you think the dollar is going to stay "The yardstick" as apparently the worth of the US dollar is based largely in how much faith other countries have in us ---- I do not think they are impressed with what they are seeing but who knows.

OP No never, forget it. Even the less evil party is still evil. (Not saying no point in voting) --- But unless there is a revolution (Than our life spans will suck) no, not a chance.
 
Rereading some of my earlier posts in this thread I have to say I'm getting on my own nerves a bit. For reasons various I've found myself feeling disillusioned with the past present and ongoing state of British politics and I've expressed that here largely by shitting on everything and that's not fair.

I'm not here to insult anyone for their political affiliation. Ultimately the only reason anyone votes for anything is because they want a better world for themselves and the people they care about and that's not something to dunk on. Views on what is "best" for the country are going to vary from person to person but ultimately when it comes to polling day all any of us are trying to do is make the world a better place in our own way.

Politics may be stupid in many ways, but there is nuance to all things and I want to be open to where people are coming from wherever that may be. I'll try and make more of an effort going forward to keep my contributions constructive and well humoured while keeping my mind open to all points of view, including, and perhaps especially those that don't align with my own.

Stay classy EADD ❤️
 
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