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Global Events The Middle East - Palestine, Israel, and Iran

If the Iranian regime doesn't fall, US troops in Iran within months WHEREAS
Is the Iranian regime does fall, US troops in iran within months (there is no opposition - the opposition was crushed in 2023 so a power vacuum)
 
We need the Iron Sheik back. He would go to Netanyahu, break his back and then humble him. Old country way.

Seriously though now is the time for peace? Israel owns Trumps bitch ass
 
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mal3volent said:
So predictions... are we in another ten year war or does this end some other way ?
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Glad we voted in the guy who was going to bring the price of eggs down...

Gen Z/Gen Alpha get ready for the next cycle of trauma you're about to need to find ways to self medicate all of that PTSD.

@Electrum1 what pharma company is pumping out opioids these days - whose stock is about to skyrocket. Opioids with anti-radiation activity? Even better!
 
WTF! Truth is, Trump is a coward. He doesn't want any losses on his record but he would love to win a war. I think he wanted to make sure that Israel was kicking the shit out of Iran before he was willing to commit to attack.
So telling them they had a two week deadline sounds kind of like a sneak attack, not that Iran hasn't been behind a few sneak attacks over the years themselves.
 
chippermonk said:
WTF! Truth is, Trump is a coward. He doesn't want any losses on his record but he would love to win a war. I think he wanted to make sure that Israel was kicking the shit out of Iran before he was willing to commit to attack.
So telling them they had a two week deadline sounds kind of like a sneak attack, not that Iran hasn't been behind a few sneak attacks over the years themselves.
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It is perfectly in line with his typical strategy...
The two week thing was an obvious deception
 
I find it odd there is an Oval Office address in 20 minutes but only one major network is covering it as of yet
 
mal3volent said:
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Listening to trump talk about these mysterious weapons that Iran has been on the verge of developing for the past 4 decades just reeked of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. Unfortunately I think we are in it for the haul now.
 
Well US forces have taken part in bombing Iran, specifically Fordo. Fordo is the larger, more modern uranium enrichment facility. The US employed GBU-57 'bunker busters', a weapon that weighs 130000Kg.

If you think about if from the Iranian perspective, you would take the 60% enriched uranium (estimated to being produced at 20Kg per month) and store it in many places i.e. don't put all of your eggs in one basket.

But while the US is STILL claiming it doesn't want war with Iran, I'm not sure how else you can describe bombing Iran.

As I've said before, there is nobody to replace the current regime in Tehran because the opposition coalllition was destroyed in 2023.

So what anyone wanting regime to occur would have to do is to take the disparate opponants of the current Iranian government and without elections, put them into power. These will be people that the vast majority of Iranian people will never have heard of. Now the closest example I can think of is Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceaușescu but in that case it was his own armed forces that removed him. What is unusual in the case of Romania was that the people at least understood the concept of a secular democracy.

The majority of Iranians know nothing but an authoritarian theocracy. I also have to ask who will provide Iran with the finances to rebuild not so much physically but more into a nation which is financially stable.

Be aware, Iran has the world's fourth largest hydrocrarbon reserves. So there would be a lot of scope for investment provinding medium to long term income, one has the feeling that none of that money will ever reach the Iranian people.

Don't forget, the Shah of Iran was supported by the US as was his son. So in some ways, the US isn't aware of Iranian culture. But we do know that the US is much happier for a right-wing dictator to lead a nation than even a moderate democratic leader. South and Central America is worth reading about. the US has been behind at least one 20th century revolution in every single nation of that continent.

I just worry that while it all looks great now, it's only going to get worse. I mean, I don't WANT it to fail at this point since you cannot change what has happened but be aware that IF the Supreme Leader is still alive, it can only be because both the US and Israel know that there would be a power vaccum and even in hiding, as long as he's alive, he's still the 'glue' that lubricates the cogs of Iranian freedoms.
 
I don't think anybody who is bombing Iran cares about their financial, political, or political stability

in fact instability in Iran benefits the countries doing the bombing
 
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someguyontheinternet said:
I don't think anybody who is bombing Iran cars about their financial, political, or political stability

in fact instability in Iran benefits the countries doing the bombing
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Not when the nation being bomd has vast quantities of weapons-usable uranium, surely? When the USSR collapsed, how much did the US spend trying to ensure nuclear weapons weren't smuggled? I ask because I don't know, but I know they were doing it for decades.

I should add that the way the detection worked is only useful when dealing with plutonium. You cannotdetect uranium in the same way. Essentially, it's a heavy metal much like many others. It isn't actually very radioactive. You can hold it.
 
4DQSAR said:
Not when the nation being bomd has vast quantities of weapons-usable uranium, surely? When the USSR collapsed, how much did the US spend trying to ensure nuclear weapons weren't smuggled? I ask because I don't know, but I know they were doing it for decades.

I should add that the way the detection worked is only useful when dealing with plutonium. You cannotdetect uranium in the same way. Essentially, it's a heavy metal much like many others. It isn't actually very radioactive. You can hold it.
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why should we stop them from having those weapons in the first place?

there is no evidence that a country uses nukes as soon as it gets them, the only country that has is the US

in fact having those weapons would mean that the US and Israel can no longer bomb them indiscriminately because of mutually assured destruction

the point of having nukes isn't to use nukes, its to not use them. the point of having nukes is sovereignty and that means the US can no longer exploit them
 
As I pointed out elsewhere, but surely Kim Jong Un is shaking his head slowly and saying '내가 그랬지...' or possibly 'I told you so' because apparently he can speak English.

Because it does appear to be the case that Kim really doesn't seek to invade South Korea. He just wants to stay in power and live the best life. He doesn't need nor want a war.

Putin NEEDS a war and Netanyahu NEEDS a war. So don't be surprised if Israel pulls more stunts to ensure the US HAS to go all in. Because it's to his advantage to do so.
 
I don't know how far or close from having nuclear nukes Iran is, but Israel and USA are fueling the need for it in the eyes not only of the ayatollahs but also in the persian population.
Regular people in Europe and specially in the US don't know shit about the muslim world, that's normal, but our govmts should. We are doing things exactly in the wrong direction: we have Iran as an enemy and Saudi Arabia as a friend. It's a terrible mistake that shows how ignorant of those societies they are:
Iran has a radical muslim gvmt, the ayatollahs and other elites; many of them have studied in Quom wich is a sacred and ultra traditional town, but regular people in the streets of Teheran, Isfahan and the major cities is very open minded and religion is important in their life but not central, like regular US citizens in that sense. They are are a 25 centuries old nation. More than 2500 years of civilization (think for a second in your nation back then).
Saudi Arabia was only founded in 1932 and it's just medieval in it's very conception: a land named after a family. Their goverment and elites are extremely rich and have an occidental way or life in their tastes, but regular people are against it all, they hate the West. Their society is a sea of prohibitions and religion rules every aspect of life, like mormons and other ultra religious people of America. They are just the opposite of a democratic and free system where religion remains a private thing like in the West, specially Europe.
We should choose better our partners.
 
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