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Global Events The Middle East - Palestine, Israel, and Iran

Grossi chief of IAEA said,if my memory don't lies me -there is no nuclear leakage,Iranian press-minimal damage in depth-only on surface there are damage....Fordo is hunder meters dug undreground....also there is posibility that all enriched plutonium could be transfered in other location weeks before....so these could be a just theatre for the masses and the nuclear capabilities of Iran fully intact.....there is complete blackout what's goin on as to strikes against nuclear facilities....and all these talks of reason that this war is about the possibility of Iran to construct nuclear weapon goes from at least 80-ies....for me this is just a pretext....just like glass with "chemical weapon" of Saddam that Collin Powell shows at plebs..Tulsi Gabard said-"there is no nuclear threat from Iran at this moment"....Trump said-"She don't know nothin'":ROFLMAO:WTF?...what's goin; on here?...manipulation,lies,interests-geopolitical,geostrategical.....a proxywar....similar to that in Ukraine.....a mad people who wanna stay in power in any cost....no matter how much would die....."Satan sitting there,he smilin'....lookin' those flames get higher and higher "🔈🎼.....yes Ozzy.....that's right man......that's right
 
I won't say that I truly know much about Iran. It's a big complex country. But I have seen some incredible Iranian movies over the years and known some wonderful Iranian people ( who of course had left Iran to come here, so perhaps escaping the Ayatollahs) It seems like an interesting ancient culture.
I can't stand the Ayatollahs and religious thugs there, but I don't like religious zealots of any faith. And being allies with Mr Bone Saw in Saudi Arabia disgusts me. How do you make friends with a leader whose thugs cut up a dissident journalist into pieces and smuggled him out in suitcases?
 
I have pointed out that whatever criticism one may have of the Iranian government, it's the last nation in the region who is fighting ISIS. So we should also consider what will happen if ISIS can simply walk into Iran and take over.
 
Señor Moreno said:
I don't know how far or close from having nuclear nukes Iran is, but Israel and USA are fueling the need for it in the eyes not only of the ayatollahs but also in the persian population.
Regular people in Europe and specially in the US don't know shit about the muslim world, that's normal, but our govmts should. We are doing things exactly in the wrong direction: we have Iran as an enemy and Saudi Arabia as a friend. It's a terrible mistake that shows how ignorant of those societies they are:
Iran has a radical muslim gvmt, the ayatollahs and other elites; many of them have studied in Quom wich is a sacred and ultra traditional town, but regular people in the streets of Teheran, Isfahan and the major cities is very open minded and religion is important in their life but not central, like regular US citizens in that sense. They are are a 25 centuries old nation. More than 2500 years of civilization (think for a second in your nation back then).
Saudi Arabia was only founded in 1932 and it's just medieval in it's very conception: a land named after a family. Their goverment and elites are extremely rich and have an occidental way or life in their tastes, but regular people are against it all, they hate the West. Their society is a sea of prohibitions and religion rules every aspect of life, like mormons and other ultra religious people of America. They are just the opposite of a democratic and free system where religion remains a private thing like in the West, specially Europe.
We should choose better our partners.
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Americans: Women in Iran are so oppressed!

also Americans: I love Saudi oil, they're our best friends
 
DAESH or known also like ISIS is just a creature of ur intelligence service....Typical-to create something to sow chaos,but controlled...cause in muddy waters fishing goin' better u know.....later when they got enough like achieved goals they try to escape from this monster....well sometimes the monster just broke a cage and escape
 
Nas47 said:
DAESH or known also like ISIS is just a creature of ur intelligence service....Typical-to create something to sow chaos,but controlled...cause in muddy waters fishing goin' better u know.....later when they got enough like achieved goals they try to escape from this monster....well sometimes the monster just broke a cage and escape
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its almost like subterfuge and manipulation is bad... crazy idea huh nobody ever thought that before I guess 🤔
 
Nas47 said:
DAESH or known also like ISIS is just a creature of ur intelligence service....Typical-to create something to sow chaos,but controlled...cause in muddy waters fishing goin' better u know.....later when they got enough like achieved goals they try to escape from this monster....well sometimes the monster just broke a cage and escape
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Is this leading up to a '9/11' was an inside job' riff?
 
It exists - as does the theory that the earth is flat, man never landed on the moon and 'Elvis lives'.
 
4DQSAR said:
Is this leading up to a '9/11' was an inside job' riff?
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I think he might be referring more to the fact that the CIA supported Muslim fundamentalists during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Among them was Bin Ladin, and he and others of those fundamentalists went their own way to form Al Quaeda and Isis. Kind of a case of your Frankenstein breaking it's chains and unintended consequences.
* Edit, I am not saying I think 9/11 was any inside job*
 
Oh yeah - didn't one US helicopter get hit by a Stinger missile that didn't explode and the serial number lead right back to the CIA?
 
4DQSAR said:
Oh yeah - didn't one US helicopter get hit by a Stinger missile that didn't explode and the serial number lead right back to the CIA?
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I don't know about that particular incident, but there has been a lot of reportage of US support of jihadis against the Soviets in Afghanistan. It's not even a conspiracy theory. Some of them, like the Taliban, were content to stay in Afghanistan as it was their home country. But Bin Ladn was Saudi and wanted to bring his cause back home and to the wider Mideast.
 
4DQSAR said:
It exists - as does the theory that the earth is flat, man never landed on the moon and 'Elvis lives'.
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The evidence(satellites,etc. shows spherical form of earth)...this with Elvis could say same about Jim Morrison or that John Lennon was killed by CIA,but that's a childish....if u work little bit harder with ur brain(don't want to assault u,by no means)the theories about the involvment in CIA,ex-KGB ,MI6 are may be not just theories,but more....cause this is a politic not a show busyness.....what u think that some government structures got some mercy?or are not invovle in killings?or sabotages?so such examples in history well documented exist-from ancient times,through WW1 and WW2 to this days....may be some days many thing will be revealed...."In the end everything would be revealed"wrote in a Bible...may be just not a hollow words.....may be u will be still alive and u know something....same as me....or may be both will be dead and will see after that or not?Don't u heard that phrase"In a war(also in politics..'cause war is a part of politics or continiuing of politic with other meanings) and in a love everything is allowed?
 
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4DQSAR said:
I have pointed out that whatever criticism one may have of the Iranian government, it's the last nation in the region who is fighting ISIS. So we should also consider what will happen if ISIS can simply walk into Iran and take over.
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One big factor here is that ISIS is a Sunni faction, whereas most Iranians are Shiite. But ISIS could certainly try to carve out enclaves in a chaotic Iran, even if control of all Iran would be impossible. There could be a lot of chaos indeed
 
chippermonk said:
One big factor here is that ISIS is a Sunni faction, whereas most Iranians are Shiite. But ISIS could certainly try to carve out enclaves in a chaotic Iran, even if control of all Iran would be impossible. There could be a lot of chaos indeed
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Iran, Iraq and Azerbaijan are majority shia countries and there appear to have been conflict in all three nations.

It stikes me that the helicopter was supposed to be a Chinook and the event took place somewhere near Bengazi so can US citiziens use that Freedom of Information act to see what, if anything, has been made public?
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Just read that it was the first time we used Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) bombs in combat. They weigh more than the MOAB bomb we dropped in Afghanistan in 2017. 27,000 pounds. They're supposed to be able to go through 200ft of ground which is pretty crazy. Pretty obvious where they hit

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The US Air Force has said that the GBU-57 can penetrate up to 60 m (200 ft) of unspecified material before exploding. The BBC reports that analysts at Janes say the weapon can penetrate about 60 m (200 ft) of earth or 18 m (59 ft) of concrete. This is consistent with a separate source which suggests penetration of up to 18 m (59 ft) into reinforced concrete with a compressive strength of 5,000 psi (34 MPa) and 2.4 m (8 ft) into 10,000 psi (69 MPa) reinforced concrete
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chippermonk said:
I am not saying I think 9/11 was any inside job
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No, I agree and won't ever go as far as calling such a tragedy an inside job, undestood as a fake flag attack or something
What ussually happens is that "terrorist" or "armed groups" exist on their own, they are almost allways created by non gubermental founders, civilians actors of various kinds, religions, ideology and targets. But once they exist, para-statal actors do infiltrate and influence the movements, often to the most radical and violent points of views, so the group finally makes some real atrocity wich allows govemts to react brutally and legitimates their agenda, usually full of their own atrocities, too.
And again, not talking about 9/11 cause it's not the subject
 
I've previously mentioned that if one looks at just the 20th centry history of every Latin and South American nation, there has been at least one coup which was backed by certain intelligence agencies.

I also noted that it seemed that said intelligence agency much preferred dictators who were pliable to any democratically elected government. I assume the simple logic is that in a democracy, people may vote for leaders who are not pliable.

In the case of Iran it was the discovery of oil that meant several nations took the step of ensuring that a pliable dictator was in charge.
 
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