in which case i condemn it. it's egregious whether obama or trump is doing it.
will you join me in condemning trump?
alasdair
will you join me in condemning trump?
alasdair
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Dipdoodoo
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It's okay when we do it
if you can show me where i said that, i'll eat my hat.
broadly speaking, it's unacceptable regardless of the party of the president doing it.
will you join me in condemning trump?
alasdair
broadly speaking, it's unacceptable regardless of the party of the president doing it.
will you join me in condemning trump?
alasdair
On this point, I will agree with you - there is an unfortunate failure by the US government, whether democrat lead or republican lead, to ensure due process in these cases. Legitimate methods of immigration have been ignored resulting in the issues we are facing, but the current regime is using increasingly violent and authoritarian methods to enforce their agenda in ways that lacks precedent. I've seen it in my city, unmarked SUVs driving around on the hunt, masked agents without warrants grabbing people, and amplified announcements of these actions are being used to stoke fear in both immigrant communities, and in the general public.No due process.
This is the problem - the ruling parties are Fascist or authoritarian liberal. It's a fucking pitiful choice.
the democratic party has been capitulating to the nonsense Republicans keep saying about immigrants instead of pushing back, they alienated their base while validating the fascistic ethnic cleansing desires of both the most extreme in the US and Israel
both US parties are fascist, one just waves a rainbow flag sometimes
You going to celebrate our lack of monarchy tomorrow?
you mean the "protests" sponsored by the Walton's and the democratic party?
maybe they can get together and write a strongly worded letter to trump, he'll listen to that surely
the whole abundance narrative is nonsense, just a thin veneer on the same old neoliberalism that brought us trump. they'll never stand for workers and unions, they'll never stand up to their donors
Can't give up on hope.
I haven't, my hope just doesn't lie with the people who haven't done anything for decades
there are plenty of other groups organizing, we have seen protests all around the country that have been peaceful until police instigate. the only violence is coming from the police and no I'm not considering property damage because that is insured, it can be replaced
the families being torn apart, the injuries caused by police, those are what matter
we don't need the Democratic party nor billionaires to tell us how to demonstrate our anger and frustration with the current police state, that's just those in charge attempting to direct our anger yet again. is that what we want?
don't get me wrong, mobilization and organization is good, but I don't think the democrats are the group with the right leadership. or any at all for that matter
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No it is not okay. It is inherently wrong. Hence the webpage being up. (Sorry I was thinking of something else) --- I agree with alaisdair I condemn that behavior. I condemn Clinton for his Epstein shite. Do you condemn Trump or is this selective amnesia became present and purposeful obtuseness on the GOP end?
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Sorry to double post but I will repeat this comment. I think we are seeing WWE style politics and the democrats are just about taking a dive. Thought so since gore didn't protesteth too much than his networth skyrocketed. I have other circumstantial bullshite but it just doesn't feel like they are honestly playing to win.
I will be protesting. Nothing will change. e
Edit * You aren't comparing the Selma march to this are you? It was no more than 'unrest' until they sent the troops in....or did I miss something in there where the national guard was called in by democrats without a governor since than?? all of the examples you gave minus one don't really pan out as straight analogies. Lack of due process is condemned, agreed?
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Maybe TACO is TACOing
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Obama's deportations were less than under the previous 2 administrations and were focused on people apprehended after having just crossed the border and those convicted of serious crimes. As always, a half truth is a whole lie.
@tryptakid Careful reading of that article in the other post will show you that Obama's "no due process" deportations were of people who had just crossed. Thus they were ordered by border officers. You can agree with that or not, but compare it to Trump's no due process deportations of people who have been in the system for years legally working toward citizenship (and those already completely legally here). It's a half truth. Maybe a quarter truth.
"Eighty-five percent of all removals and returns during fiscal year (FY) 2016 were of noncitizens who had recently crossed the U.S. border unlawfully. Of the remainder, who were removed from the U.S. interior, more than 90 percent had been convicted of what DHS defines as serious crimes."
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Go to a protest today if you can. They are important in this moment as Trump tries to paint any protest with the same broad brush he did the BLM protests, and thus open the door to him violently squelching peaceful dissent.
Arguably, protesting and contacting representatives saved the ACA in Trump's first term. It's not the results it should be, but it's not insignificant either.
Grooming gang guilty of raping and abusing girls - BBC 13/06/25
Long-awaited Casey grooming gang review links illegal migration with exploitation of British girls - The Sun
That report is coming out next week, and it's a government report so hopefully you'll be satisfied with that when it's published.
Would you like to know more?
the previous report I cited showed that natural born citizens commit far more sexual assaults, and crime in general, than natural born citizens
not to mention the sun is a tabloid, forgive me if I wait to believe any of that until I read the actual report
If you remember, yourself as well as other publications cited the previous government report as linking immigrants with crime but it actually said the opposite
the sun is just not a good source, for anything. its owned and operated by Rupert Murdoch, the same person who owns and caused fox news to spew incredible amounts of vitriol and lies which propelled the political climate to where we are today
a story from the sun or fox news has as much veracity as a 4chan or blog post
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Oh noes, Rupert Murdoch and The Sun! You got me!
Oh wait, here's the same thing but from The Times newspaper, which is probably the newspaper with the strongest bias towards the British establishment at all times.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/a...ational-inquiry-into-grooming-gangs-ktsf00vlm
No one said the native population was perfect. That's not the point. The point is it's far more efficient for everyone to only have one set of problems and not importing a second set of problems, because now you're dealing with two sets and also downstream consequences like clashes between different groups e.g. natives rioting, immigrant groups fighting each other in the streets, etc.
Mass immigration is a total failure. If you don't vet people, you get fucking dregs looking for a meal ticket or looking for a 'good time'.
Oh wait, here's the same thing but from The Times newspaper, which is probably the newspaper with the strongest bias towards the British establishment at all times.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/a...ational-inquiry-into-grooming-gangs-ktsf00vlm
So what? That is false equivalency, because as I've stated we wouldn't even have those crimes [by immigrants and descendants] if those people hadn't been waved into our country in the first place. The fuck does the UK actually need a bunch of culturally incompatible Pakistani's for? Driving taxi's and running kebab shops? What has that community actually contributed to this country of any meaningful cultural value that couldn't have been done or exceeded by those already here.
No one said the native population was perfect. That's not the point. The point is it's far more efficient for everyone to only have one set of problems and not importing a second set of problems, because now you're dealing with two sets and also downstream consequences like clashes between different groups e.g. natives rioting, immigrant groups fighting each other in the streets, etc.
Mass immigration is a total failure. If you don't vet people, you get fucking dregs looking for a meal ticket or looking for a 'good time'.