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no, actually I don't understand. you can say that about any domestic terrorist that if their parents/grandparents/whatever didn't come to the country it never would have happened
Yeah, and? What's your point here, that we should just allow everyone to come here willy-nilly and suck up the inevitable consequences from terrorist attacks to sex crimes? If these people hadn't come to the country in the first place then the crimes would not have happened. Do you want me to write that in crayon?

And don't try to conflate the issue with crimes committed by native residents. That is a completely separate discussion. The point is we don't need two sets of problems: domestic and imported. You can avoid the latter entirely by being far more stringent on who comes into the country, which is how it should be in any rational nation state.

The UK never had Islamic terrorism, rape gangs, and all the rest, when we didn't have Muslim immigrants in the country. Likewise we never had moped gangs and machete wielding Somalian's having gang fights in the street before we imported these people from various nations. All those problems and all the downstream consequences could have been avoided entirely if immigration policy had been stringent and implemented by non-ideological people in government.

We don't need these people and we never have. We were never asked if we wanted them either. And right now communities across the UK, particularly in Ireland, are being forcibly told to accept the injection of even more dross into their communities and suck it up, which is precisely why riots keep breaking out because these imports are committing acts (which you require government sources to validate) that the natives find absolutely reprehensible.

It really is incredibly simply. Stop being deliberately obtuse about it.
 
Yeah, and? What's your point here, that we should just allow everyone to come here willy-nilly and suck up the inevitable consequences from terrorist attacks to sex crimes? If these people hadn't come to the country in the first place then the crimes would not have happened. Do you want me to write that in crayon?

And don't try to conflate the issue with crimes committed by native residents. That is a completely separate discussion. The point is we don't need two sets of problems: domestic and imported. You can avoid the latter entirely by being far more stringent on who comes into the country, which is how it should be in any rational nation state.

The UK never had Islamic terrorism, rape gangs, and all the rest, when we didn't have Muslim immigrants in the country. Likewise we never had moped gangs and machete wielding Somalian's having gang fights in the street before we imported these people from various nations. All those problems and all the downstream consequences could have been avoided entirely if immigration policy had been stringent and implemented by non-ideological people in government.

We don't need these people and we never have. We were never asked if we wanted them either. And right now communities across the UK, particularly in Ireland, are being forcibly told to accept the injection of even more dross into their communities and suck it up, which is precisely why riots keep breaking out because these imports are committing acts (which you require government sources to validate) that the natives find absolutely reprehensible.

It really is incredibly simply. Stop being deliberately obtuse about it.
what is the percentage of immigrants where the next generation are terrorists?

you mentioned 2

so that's 2 families out of how many?
 
Again, what is your point here? That this is all just 'part and parcel' and we should just accept the occasional terrorist atrocity? That's absolutely no consolation to the families ruined by these events, or those ruined by the industrial level rape gangs, and other crimes.

It doesn't matter if that's 0.1% of the population affected. You're essentially insinuating that is acceptable, a fair sacrifice for your ideological position. I deny that. 0.1% is too much when it could be 0%.

The point is we never had these problems until culturally incompatible people were systematically imported into our communities without our consent.
 
Again, what is your point here? That this is all just 'part and parcel' and we should just accept the occasional terrorist atrocity? That's absolutely no consolation to the families ruined by these events, or those ruined by the industrial level rape gangs, and other crimes.

It doesn't matter if that's 0.1% of the population affected. You're essentially insinuating that is acceptable, a fair sacrifice for your ideological position. I deny that. 0.1% is too much when it could be 0%.

The point is we never had these problems until culturally incompatible people were systematically imported into our communities without our consent.
so should we ban encryption as well? think of all the encrypted terrorist plans we can't see because criminals are hiding behind encryption!

maybe we should install cameras and microphones in every home to make sure no crimes get planned. after all we must prevent every single crime no matter the societal cost
 
so should we ban encryption as well? think of all the encrypted terrorist plans we can't see because criminals are hiding behind encryption!

maybe we should install cameras and microphones in every home to make sure no crimes get planned. after all we must prevent every single crime no matter the societal cost
The British media, on behalf of the sitting government, have this week been pushing 'digital ids' as a remedy for the immigration problem, Tony Blair is always harping on about it as well. So, there you go.

Don't be surprised if that happens in the USA in short order too.
 
The British media, on behalf of the sitting government, have this week been pushing 'digital ids' as a remedy for the immigration problem, Tony Blair is always harping on about it as well. So, there you go.

Don't be surprised if that happens in the USA in short order too.
its easy to placate the public when politicians present a made up problem as the reason for people's lowered standard of living, then it makes it easy for them to appear the hero without actually fixing anything
 
terrorist attacks from people who were born in the country and you're trying to blame immigration?

I remember when the Timothy McVeigh bombing happened I was young, 8 - 10 idk but I remember my dad saying "They should bomb the hell out of whatever backwards state he is from" We would have been ashes. The children of immigrants are kind of not immigrants as well?

As weird as citing those two random cases was I don't know that it even helped. (The parents approve of the actions or were they shocked and outraged? just curiosity). ---- When you look at something like Jan 6th you realize there are plenty of "terrorist types" I will be generous and say in born right here.

This was interesting to me; I watch the series gangland (and the follow up/spin offs) and here is what I noticed about "SS division of antiwaffen" white power people ---- every other gang on there is suffering from systemic racism coming from horrible conditions doing things they know are not good in order to try and get to where everybody else is ------ These people pour money in out of hate and end up caught in a system they never needed be involved in.

*damn it someguyofftheinternet already asked about they parents, well I'll catch up*

LSD a large part of your post appeared to have been clipped for some reason (Booh let ppl rant! lol) --- I agree I have a bit of a distain for America right now too but I will being peacefully protesting tomorrow which seems like about the only course of action for a citizen at the moment to oppose this madness. (I know I am a hero I will pat myself on the back lmao participation trophy!)
 
looks kind of familiar but i can't quite put my finger on it...



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What did they do to uncle sam
 
Soooo many Democrats on tape saying all the exact same stuff Trump's saying right now about illegal immigrants but Democrats have an absolutely absurd level of selective amnesia.
 
Selective Amnesia
 
Selective Amnesia
Per your own link - Obama authorized the request of the Arizona governor to call up the national guard.

So:

Your example: AZ governor requests national guard to be called up for border support which Obama authorized.

Current example: Donald Trump calls up the CALIFORNIA National guard (which is supposed to be controlled by the governor of california) against the wishes of the governor to deploy in Los Angeles.

Your comparison is totally off base.
 
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