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Ismene2

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Me and an old bluelight friend years ago would have long discussions into the night about whether our LSD was of sufficient purity..I do wonder what it would be like if you could get 99.9% pure coke and heroin rather the lower quality shit we always get. I wonder what the difference in effect is between 99% pure coke made with a professional synthesis and whatever - 50% coke made by a bloke in a bucket with fucking draino. I remember Keith (the human riff) saying pharmaceutical coke is a like a different drug.

I noticed with 4-aco-dmt - the real stuff was white - obviously a much better synthesis. But for the last 6 or 7 years in the UK you can only get this fucking grey rubbish. There is some kind of 4-aco-dmt in that grey shit so you get a few of the same mental alerts but its absolutely nowhere near what real 4-aco-dmt is like. On the white stuff you are dancing for hours - on the grey you are laid down too scared to move in case you set off trying to vomit up your own fucking ringpeice.
 
Ismene2 said:
Me and an old bluelight friend years ago would have long discussions into the night about whether our LSD was of sufficient purity..I do wonder what it would be like if you could get 99.9% pure coke and heroin rather the lower quality shit we always get. I wonder what the difference in effect is between 99% pure coke made with a professional synthesis and whatever - 50% coke made by a bloke in a bucket with fucking draino. I remember Keith (the human riff) saying pharmaceutical coke is a like a different drug.

I noticed with 4-aco-dmt - the real stuff was white - obviously a much better synthesis. But for the last 6 or 7 years in the UK you can only get this fucking grey rubbish. There is some kind of 4-aco-dmt in that grey shit so you get a few of the same mental alerts but its absolutely nowhere near what real 4-aco-dmt is like. On the white stuff you are dancing for hours - on the grey you are laid down too scared to move in case you set off trying to vomit up your own fucking ringpeice.
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"50%...made by a bloke, in a bucket, with fucking drano" - I believe you are thinking of meth, Sir :P
 
Purity is a thing. I loved amphetamine sulphate. What I bought online was sold as 80%+ purity* and a I tested a few batches and 75% was the lowest it ever came back.
I've heard people shit on it a lot then found out it was street speed, which is 5-15% purity. So...no shit it was bad, that stuff is almost entirely just dextrose.

Same as how I get higher on (equidose) morphine than heroin, even though heroin is twice as strong, because you're NEVER gonna get literally 50% heroin (obv what it would take to be the same potency as morphine)


*for some weird fucking reason, it cannot be physically made at higher than 84% purity

EDIT: for the sake of clearly potential confusion, here in the UK, 99.9% of anyone saying "speed" is referring to amphetamine sulphate. Meth still isn't that common and als we just call that "meth"
 
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Ismene2 said:
Me and an old bluelight friend years ago would have long discussions into the night about whether our LSD was of sufficient purity..I do wonder what it would be like if you could get 99.9% pure coke and heroin rather the lower quality shit we always get. I wonder what the difference in effect is between 99% pure coke made with a professional synthesis and whatever - 50% coke made by a bloke in a bucket with fucking draino. I remember Keith (the human riff) saying pharmaceutical coke is a like a different drug.

I noticed with 4-aco-dmt - the real stuff was white - obviously a much better synthesis. But for the last 6 or 7 years in the UK you can only get this fucking grey rubbish. There is some kind of 4-aco-dmt in that grey shit so you get a few of the same mental alerts but its absolutely nowhere near what real 4-aco-dmt is like. On the white stuff you are dancing for hours - on the grey you are laid down too scared to move in case you set off trying to vomit up your own fucking ringpeice.
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Can't you get 99% cocaine from the lidocaine in OTC topical creams? I'm sure I read an article abut a guy doing that, recently??

EDIT: Umm...I just realized NOPE, I read that in A Scanner Darkly, lol. And I don't think he succeeded.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Purity is a thing. I loved amphetamine sulphate. What I bought online was sold as 80%+ purity* and a I tested a few batches and 75% was the lowest it ever came back.
I've heard people shit on it a lot then found out it was street speed, which is 5-15% purity. So...no shit it was bad, that stuff is almost entirely just dextrose.

Same as how I get higher on (equidose) morphine than heroin, even though heroin is twice as strong, because you're NEVER gonna get literally 50% heroin (obv what it would take to be the same potency as morphine)


*for some weird fucking reason, it cannot be physically made at higher than 84% purity

EDIT: for the sake of clearly potential confusion, here in the UK, 99.9% of anyone saying "speed" is referring to amphetamine sulphate. Meth still isn't that common and als we just call that "meth"
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that 84% number is just counting the salt ions as an impurity but in reality that amphetamine is 100% pure because the salt is part of the compound. the only reason to use that 84% number is for dose conversion between different salts because they have different molecular weights
 
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someguyontheinternet said:
that 84% number is just counting the salt ions as an impurity but in reality that amphetamine is 100% pure because the salt is part of the compound. the only reason to use that 84% number is for dose conversion between different salta because they have different molecular weights
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Interesting! Thanks for the info, it makes a lot of sense :)
 
Ismene2 said:
Me and an old bluelight friend years ago would have long discussions into the night about whether our LSD was of sufficient purity..I do wonder what it would be like if you could get 99.9% pure coke and heroin rather the lower quality shit we always get. I wonder what the difference in effect is between 99% pure coke made with a professional synthesis and whatever - 50% coke made by a bloke in a bucket with fucking draino. I remember Keith (the human riff) saying pharmaceutical coke is a like a different drug.
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Have definitely had a fair few coke batches in the mid/high 90's% purity with zero active cuts and yeah, definitely like a different drug to what is usually available to be purchased. No jitters, not particularly stimulating, high euphoria, low-level numbing which you cannot even detect until a couple of minutes after dosing, and the best dose was around 30mg, 45 minutes between doses. Having said that there were also noticeable differences in effect between those pure batches themselves due to production methods / location of coca growing / various variables. Am extremely glad to say that I do not have that contact anymore, was a fucking constant temptation even if they would only sell me 2g at the most once every few months. Glad I experienced it and even more glad it's in my past.

It stands to reason that uncut drugs are gonna feel very different to cut drugs doesn't it?
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
it is possible, but freebase amphetamine is oily paste and has worse shelf-life than salts, so it is not common product on the markets, even if it is present rarely.
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I used to get freebase phet direct from an (at the time) major chemist/supplier. ‘Twas the real deal. Fr fr. Regularly had punters return whatever they had left wanting a refund because it was “too strong”.

I used to shoot that shit IV and was - to this day - the most intense rush I’ve ever had 💜
 
ageingpartyfiend said:
Have definitely had a fair few coke batches in the mid/high 90's% purity with zero active cuts and yeah, definitely like a different drug to what is usually available to be purchased. No jitters, not particularly stimulating, high euphoria, low-level numbing which you cannot even detect until a couple of minutes after dosing, and the best dose was around 30mg, 45 minutes between doses. Having said that there were also noticeable differences in effect between those pure batches themselves due to production methods / location of coca growing / various variables. Am extremely glad to say that I do not have that contact anymore, was a fucking constant temptation even if they would only sell me 2g at the most once every few months. Glad I experienced it and even more glad it's in my past.

It stands to reason that uncut drugs are gonna feel very different to cut drugs doesn't it?
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From the reports of those that have sampled pure diamorphine, they say it lacks the “dirty” feel of street H and is thus less desirable.
 
Freebase amphetamine is not just an oily paste, it is essentially an oil which evaporates quickly at room temperature.

In my experience, the main - and often only - difference between relatively pure and impure drugs is their potency. Taking twice as much of a drug half the purity will yield the same effects.
The exceptions to this are (1) if insufflating, excessive amounts of cut will clog up your nose and delay/impede absorption; and (2) if the cuts are active, eg caffeine, this interferes with your high.

Otherwise the experience of the pure drug feeling different is usually, I think, down to our habitual tendency to take a certain amount. "A line of speed" or coke, or any drug, is a line of a certain size within limits. When you have purer stuff, you may take a bit less, but often not proportionately less. So you end up doing more.
 
I'm such a fucking drug snob tbh, gotta love the high quality eh (am far too old and fucked for shit drugs, but I never liked 'em even when young!)

I get antsy if I take anything below 'good' quality and tend to make sure it's always up there before consuming, otherwise what's the point? (obvs not referring to keeping withdrawals at bay etc)
 
Certainly noticed that DS 3.0 LSD is like a different drug to normal acid. No bodyload or that shitty headache on the comedown.
 
Re: "pure acid" and "impure acid", there was an article where a bunch of people experienced with acid got to sample some Sandoz Delysid (which had been preserved correctly and had not lost potency) and compare it to their experiences with street acid.

The result was, emphatically, that pharmaceutical acid and "street acid" are indistinguishable. Whatever impurities there may be, they are inactive, or at least not active in the amounts that they may be found in LSD. Basically, acid is acid. It isn't more or less pure, cleaner or dirtier. LSD "purity" isn't relevant; there is only strength/dosage.
 
I've been through street and 'totally pure deluxe super Owsley acid' and I never got more out of either.

Probably more out of the street stuff because it was fun and we were't stroking our chins at the effects.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
I've been through street and 'totally pure deluxe super Owsley acid' and I never got more out of either.

Probably more out of the street stuff because it was fun and we were't stroking our chins at the effects.
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You tried DS 3.0 tho?
 
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