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RCs Anyone know about SR-14968? Does it let you detox without withdrawals the same as SR-17018?

Tetrapharmakos

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I used SR-17018 to get clean and it was a life saver after many failed detox attempts, zero acute withdrawals was miraculous.

What about SR-14968? The small amount of information i found was conflicting, wondering if it has similar effects, or is more of a traditional opiate?? It's cheaper than the former, wondering if I should have some on hand for potential future research or not.
 
@Smyth2 and @Skorpio pretty much covered this.


Above is a good index paper.

SR-17018 is a biased ligand and some reports suggest it produces less tolerance and dependence than classical opioids while others suggest it does not produce ANY tolerance or dependence. I'm uncertain if the tolerance and dependence liability can be measured with a single metric. Others may well know better than I.

Know what you have, go slow, accept it's still a research compound so we don't know as much as we need to assert safety. Respiratory depression may not be the side-effect that limits maximum dose.

I would like to know if it's a decent analgesic. I'm not looking for euphoria, but dysphoria might make me think a bit more. It seems around oxycodone in potency and has undergone at least some human trials. One paper notes that in man, the theraputic window was smaller that the initial paper stated... but I found the paper and it didn't explain why that might be the case.

BTW I'm a bit suspicious of how the original paper assigns extremely low theraputic windows for 'classic opioids' assigns very low TIs for fentanyl and morphine. So I feel you need to carefully read where those values were obtained or derived and note that they refer to animal models.
 
SR-17018 is great. I know from personal experience. What I'm wondering about is user reports for the other opioid RC, SR-14968, and if it shares the same benefits as SR-17 or not. Apparently testing in animals showed it did cause more tolerance/withdrawal than SR-17, which for me anyway caused zero withdrawal and seemed to reduce my tolerance.

SR-14968 has been available for sale for a little while now, but I'm having trouble finding consistent info on user reports. Some people claim it had terrible effects, others claimed it did help them detox but they needed to switch to SR-17 after, so they went from fentanyl to SR-14 to SR-17 to detox, but I am skeptical SR-14968 would have been necessary step at all.
 

@4DQSAR

But do you know when these compounds were first disclosed in the literature? 2017 is the earliest I’m seeing and it’s in academic papers. I’m particularly interested to know if there are any biotech companies developing them, if they are patented or not would give an insight into who the owner is and if they are still worth developing or optimizing.

If a company is working on them that’s where I could see something really great/legal/safe coming of these drugs.

can anyone do a structure search on sci finder?. If not searching the iupac name in google patent may (unlikely) give a result. I don’t want to even generate the iupac name using my software.
 
@4DQSAR

But do you know when these compounds were first disclosed in the literature? 2017 is the earliest I’m seeing and it’s in academic papers. I’m particularly interested to know if there are any biotech companies developing them, if they are patented or not would give an insight into who the owner is and if they are still worth developing or optimizing.

If a company is working on them that’s where I could see something really great/legal/safe coming of these drugs.

can anyone do a structure search on sci finder?. If not searching the iupac name in google patent may (unlikely) give a result. I don’t want to even generate the iupac name using my software.


The only structural differences between the two is the para halogen on the benzyl moiety and the addition of that methyl side-chain on the less biased compound.

Here's the thing - that side-chain makes the compound chiral but so far I've only found one patent in which the two enantiomers were resolved.
 
You can find the parents for SR-17018 on Pubmed here: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Sr-17018#section=Depositor-Supplied-Patent-Identifiers

Take this with a grain of salt but I read a comment I think on reddit claiming someone reached out to the patent holders for SR-17018 who are apparently in California, and they responded to say they had reached out to the US government about it's potential as a detox medications to aid the opioid crisis.

Those authors are actually working out of Florida,s satellite facility of their institution but maybe the IP associate is based in the CA HQ of Scripps which they developed this under but was recently bought by university of Florida who is now the assignee.

Anyways it’s an academic institution the rights are assigned to; so not much is going to happen from that unless it’s been licensed to a drug company to push it through optimization and trials. I wonder if it’s licensed to a company yet, not sure how to check that off the top of my head.
 
My first SR-14968 experience.
I'm kratom dependant & have the flu right now, with a good amount of pain.
Last kratom dose was 48h ago, yesterday I tried out DPP-26.

I just wanna reduce my symptoms & make laying around in bed less boring & annoying.

The SR-14968 I got is white, non-soluble in water & tasteless.
It looks & acts just like SR-17018.

14:00 - ~5mg SR-14968

14:30 - ~10mg SR-14968

16:00 - 15mg Sr-14968

17:10 - 14mg Sr-14968

18:20 - 15mg SR

Slight opioid effect? Light euphoria, no sedation. Some pain relief, from a 6/10 to a 4/10.
Very little effects all day. Seems to be way less potent than claimed.

No withdrawal symptoms from kratom.
My last Kratom dose was 48h ago.

It feels pretty much like SR-17018.
Maybe the vendor sent me the wrong one?

Update - 19:20: The last 15mg dose seems to peak right now.
For the first time I feel sedation, my eyes feel heavy.
Pretty chill. I don't think I got that noticeable effects from SR-17018 (my highest dose Sr-17 were about 100mg all at once).

So yeah, maybe it's true that SR-14968 has more recreational value & is less good for withdrawal / as a substitute for other opioids.

It does seem to be maybe twice to three times as potent as SR-17018.

I used 25-40mg doses SR-17018 to be free from withdrawal symptoms & craving while withdrawing from about 1g of ODSMT rectally per day.
 
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You can find the parents for SR-17018 on Pubmed here: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Sr-17018#section=Depositor-Supplied-Patent-Identifiers

Take this with a grain of salt but I read a comment I think on reddit claiming someone reached out to the patent holders for SR-17018 who are apparently in California, and they responded to say they had reached out to the US government about it's potential as a detox medications to aid the opioid crisis.

Ah, OK. It was developed by a Chinese team (AFAIK) but I can absolutely believe a US company would buy up the rights.

I am in no way suggesting that it has no utility as a novel medication for detoxification but I AM reminded that when the Reckit-Coleman team at Edinburgh led by KW Bentley trialled buprenorphine for opiate detoxification, it was only ever intended to be used for 7-14 days and I suggest the same may be true for this drug. But of course, a medication only prescribed by specialists and only prescribed for one to two weeks isn't going to be particularly profitable. Hence we see people being 'parked' on buprenorphine as previously people were parked on methadone. Will people be parked on SR-17018 because if the goal is profit, the likely answer is 'yes'.

I did post links to all the academic papers I could find (but not the actual patent) and it appeared that first it was trialled as an alternative to oxycodone in the treatment of severe chronic pain but simply was not potent enough. That was the only HUMAN trial I could find.

But they did perform some primate studies and it was noted that tolerance did occur. To a far lesser extent than 'classic' MOR ligand, but bias means just that. It doesn't totally eliminate beta 2 arrestin recruitment. I should add that tolerance was noted by physilogical changes in response - things that the body does. Not by any sort of preference or self-administration test.

A few people asked my opinion via PM and I simply suggested that in the absence of large human studies, the lowest dose used for the shortest time would likely result in the best outcomes. I mean, that's true of ALL medicines but we simply don't know what mixing SR-17018 with a traditional MOR would do. Would it blockade the receptors in a similar way to methadone and bupeanorphine? I don't know. But having worked in HR for 25+ years, I think we know that quite a lot of people who are provided with substitution therapy 'cheat' (it that is the right term). If someone has been bang at it for years, it's not a sign of weakness, most users are self-medicating for emotional and/or physical pain. So I would always remind clients that it doesn't matter how many times you fall over, as long as you get back up and keep walking.

It WOULD be amazing if this medication provides total relief from all AWS symptoms but we don't know if it works as well the second time, the third time...

So a LOT of work is still needed. As it stands, we have a lot of important lessons to learn.
 
Update 20:20:

Still peaking.
I'm near nodding territory. Laying down feels good.
I have some itching. No nausea.

I probably won't redose today.
I'll update you on how long the effects stay.

I just got around 120mg of SR-14968 (since I don't wanna get addicted to it) & have only around 50mg left.

Tomorrow, I'll either boof the rest (~25mg) of my DPP-26 or take 30mg SR-14968 at once.
Mitragynine should be gone from my receptors by then.

I think I'll use this flu as my opportunity to make a kratom break & to try those new RC opioids, then get on SR-17018 for 1-2 weeks.

My kratom doses got way too high over the last year.
I took around 10g three, sometimes four times daily & didn't get good effects most of the time.
I'm kinda paranoid about my liver & my immune system. Been getting sick quite often this year.

Maybe 2 weeks on SR-17018 can reduce my tolerance so that I can go back to 5-7g 2-3 times daily.
It would be best to just get off opioids completely, obviously. My libido is reduced a lot, which is very annoying.
I don't think I'm ready to quit yet, though.

Maybe a psychedelic trip could motivate me.
I'll also go on a long vacation this winter, which should change things up a lot.

2 weeks on SR-17018 should use up around 1.4g of it. (~ 3 times 30mg a day).
Luckily, I got around 5g of it, so I can try it a few times.

I really wanna get more of it while it's legal & available.
It seems to be the best chance for getting clean / tolerance reduction.


Update #2: 22:00 - the sedation got stronger.
I went for a walk & am waiting at a restaurant for some nice vegan food right now. My eyes are very heavy & I feel quite opioidized.

This compound seems to take a long time to fully kick in.

The last dose was taken 3 1/2h ago.
The peak started 2 1/2h ago & it's still just as strong.

This is definitely not SR-17018.
If you wanna get off of opioids, SR-14968 is the wrong compound. It's way too recreational. You'd propably just get addicted to it.
 
This is definitely not SR-17018.
If you wanna get off of opioids, SR-14968 is the wrong compound. It's way too recreational. You'd propably just get addicted to it.

I know of at least one trip report posted on BL where someone who had little or no tolerance consumed a largish dose of SR-17018 and noted that it still produced the same subjective effects as other opioids.

I'm so glad you employed the term 'addicted' because from my own experiences, I know that addiction is a far tougher problem than physical dependence.

I just remembered that their is already a biased ligand in clinical use in the USA, to whit oliceridine (Olinvyk). One of the issues is that it isn't orally active and it seems to only be used for in-patient settings. In China a related compound called tegileridine is also being trialled for in-patient analgesia. I know the company behind these medicines (Trevena_ have been trying to find an orally active homologue for years. The thing is that TVR734 was the candidate and that was trialled in 2019 (as far as I can tell) but they went up to 250mg so like SR-17018, it doesn't sound like it's particularly potent. I know that's why the Chinese gave up - they intended it to be an alternative to oxycodone but it couldn't provide the required analgesia.

However, that does not automatically mean that SR-17018 isn't still an interesting new compound.
 
I know of at least one trip report posted on BL where someone who had little or no tolerance consumed a largish dose of SR-17018 and noted that it still produced the same subjective effects as other opioids.

I'm so glad you employed the term 'addicted' because from my own experiences, I know that addiction is a far tougher problem than physical dependence.

The effects got stronger & stronger up to 3h after my last 15mg dose.
It has been 5 1/2h now & I just had my first real meal today, which seemed to intensify it again. I'm almost nodding right now.
Haven't had this kind of an intense opioid effect in a long time.
The last time was when I snorted some Diacetylmorphine half a year ago or so.

Pretty intense itching too.

SR-14968 really has nothing to do with SR-17018.
It's closer to morphine-type opioids or ODSMT.

Quite dangerous.
Especially since I didn't feel much from it at first. Maybe it takes 3h or even longer to fully kick in?

Makes the astroturfing marketing campaign that went on here & on reddit even worse.
I will make it my mission to warn people asking whether they can use the 14968 like the 17018 to get off opioids.
 
I will make it my mission to warn people asking whether they can use the 14968 like the 17018 to get off opioids.

A laudable aim. Also you make the important point that any medication that allows an essentialy 'painless' pathway way to stop opiate consumption, that's obviously of great utility. But it is a double-edged sword. If the result is people assuming that their will always work, it's possible that people will be prepared to take more risks. This is an established psychological pattern where people have a level of risk they are prepared to accept and when something reduces the percieved risk, some people compensate.

We don't know if SR-17018 will work as well in subsequent detoxificatins or what mixing it with a conventional MOR will do.

IF the intended use is detoxification, I would argue that answers to those and other unknowns need to be researched.
 
IF the intended use is detoxification, I would argue that answers to those and other unknowns need to be researched.
Keep them honest 4D. With all these new claims, we need you guys that know a little bit about chemistry and metabolism to chime in. There’s a lot of shit information these days, and people start believing whatever they want. I mean, it has always been that but now it’s just more apparent.

So the very large question here is will this stuff make a detox painless or is it a bunch of nonsense?
 
Well, the placebo effect has been well researched.

But the one human trial sugested that at least as an analgesic, it isn't very potent. Becuase it does appear that at least initially, the goal was to find an alternative to oxycodone (potentially a vast market).
 
So the very large question here is will this stuff make a detox painless or is it a bunch of nonsense?
I think the anecdotal reports available strongly suggest it does make detoxing painless for most people who try it at least once.
It certainly worked for me one time.
I'd be very surprised if that was mostly due to placebo & not due to a pharmacological effect.

Whether it works consistently, more often than once, or for what percentage of the opioid addicted population is obviously unknown, like 4DQSAR said.
 
My SR-14968 experience was quite crazy btw.
I still feel a light effect 24h after the last dosage.
I definitely overdosed.
It seems to take a long time to peak.

I'd warn anyone from taking more than 15mg in 24h.
Waiting an hour or two before redosing is way too short.
One person on reddit commented they took 10mg, felt almost nothing, redosed 15mg a few hours later.

Then they nodded 14h later, were sweaty, shaky & almost threw up the next morning.
They also still felt it 24h later.
 
Interesting side note:
I haven't used any opioid today & would be in withdrawal right now, if the SR-14968 wouldn't still act on my receptors.
The last 15mg dose was taken 30h ago.

I was on around 30-40 gpd of kratom leaf before that experiment & the mitragynine surely is gone by now.

I feel pretty normal (apart from my flu) & sober, without opioid withdrawal symptoms or craving.

I'm trying to sleep now - let's see how I feel tomorrow.
 
SR-14968 is interesting in that I'm uncertain what (if any) metabolism it undergoes.
 
I have experience with sr 14968. Tried a 25mg dose +10mg 4 hours later with zero effects. Tried 60mg (rest of my sample) the day after and had very little to no effects. Was pretty disappointed because I was expecting to have some effects from that big of a dose, especially when users on here say 15mg is a potent dose. I’ve also read on Reddit that it took some users 100mg to feel effects and 300mg for heavy effects. I ordered 500mg more of the Sr 14689 along with 3gs of ODSMT. Will report later my expiriment with sr 14968 in large doses.
 
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