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US Politics the 2025 trump presidency thread

The supreme court ruled that he couldn't be prosecuted for crimes committed as part of the official duties of a president. There is no legal mechanism at this point to hold him accountable. The only political mechanism would be impeachment and censure which must be initiated and adjudicated in congress - but with Republican control of both chambers, and a lack of willingness to vote to uphold impeachment during his prior administration, and then following his actions on January 6th, it is inconcievable to think that he is at risk of that occurring at this time. The 2026 mid-term elections could result in some change in the makeup of congress. If a ton of democrats or anti-trump Republicans were to somehow win and form a large enough majority, then it would be possible.

Given how much control and influence he has had thus far, I would be shocked if he isn't trying to use every legal and illegal means to ensure that he will retain as much power as possible at that point. Voting districts have been realigned to benefit republicans at the expense of democrats (clumping small numbers of republicans across many districts and isolating large numbers of democrats into as few districts as possible - gerrymandering - in order to increase the power of rural voters over urban voters). There is a non-zero chance that Elon's involvement in the election included manipulation of voting machines that used his internet company to communicate with the internet ("Everything can be hacked" - Musk's statement just before election day). There were also a disporportionate number of bombthreats called in by russian troll farms to swing states, shutting down those voting centers and restricting access as well as leading to unattended voting machines which may have been compromised remotely or through things like USB drives, during the shutdown of those centers. At the very least, these threats may have scared away voters that may have voted against Trump.

So much of this shit goes into tinfoil hat territory that I just simply shrug and accept that there are powerful people playing powerful games that have real consequences for Americans, let alone everyone else in the world. His crypto memestocks that he pumps and dumps are siphoning money away from investors who buy-in, while also providing a method to bribe him that lacks regulatory oversight. His kids are creating a crypto empire in the background while all of this is happening, cementing his family's legacy as a member of the ruling class.

Still - I have faith that karma comes for those who generate wealth through the creation of suffering and chaos. Maybe? Maybe not?
Honestly, I really don't need a tinfoil hat here. I find the simplest explanation why Trump won the best one. There was absolutely no adequate opposition to beat him. Three times in a row. First there was Clinton which was pretty much the only possible candidate remotely as unpopular as Trump. This resulted in a coin flip situation where Trump won.

Then there was Biden next. Biden was already way too old and confused when running for his first term. He was lucky that Trump lost sympathy during COVID or he likely would not have won. He rode into the white house through another coin flip situation, which is a pretty low bar when its about defending the country from someone as dangerous as Trump and if Biden would have undergone the same scrutiny like Reagan (when it was believed his dementia took over they were about to make him step down until he proved them wrong) he would not have been president for long.

After barely being successful with an aged Biden they tried it again with an even older Biden. This should never have happened. The second Biden said "4 more years" there should have been an outcry and it should have been made very clear to him that this would not fly. That they needed the best, young, charismatic candidate possible to decisively beat Trump. But no. They went for another coin flip. And this time they lost. I don't even blame Harris. She had no chance from the start. She was never considered to be an alternative to Biden (which is insane considering his age). Also election campaigns start years in advance. She had a few months. But the way she was she had little competence in important matters. It seemed she had not much to say in general. While Trump talked for 3 hours straight on Rogan's podcast she had a cameo on SNL. It is a horrible tragedy that she lost but she was a weak candidate.

A vital democracy must be able to cope with manipulation such as gerrymandering and also social media campaigns, from enemy states and within. States influence elections in other states. That's nothing new. I am willing to bet money that the USA influenced the last few elections in Russia for example. When a democracy is vital, such minor influences are not a problem but if one important election after another just ends in a coin flip situation, then you don't have a vital democracy. You have a democracy that is on its last legs and I think that's precisely what happened here.

On a side note: It was the exact same thing in Britain during Brexit btw. People blame Russia and Facebook and bots but in reality there is one man that can be blamed for this whole thing and that is David Cameron. It was him who tried appeasing the right and making people vote for independence without any need for doing so. Or without any certainty of the outcome. He gambled away the future of his country in an unnecessary coin flip.
 
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I don't understand why he's not getting in trouble. Guaranteed his family and friends made billions off of the market.

because the justice department is no longer independent.

because the supreme court is no longer independent.

because the republicans in congress care more about power than principles.

and a lot of what tryptakid said.

alasdair
 
because the justice department is no longer independent.

because the supreme court is no longer independent.

because the republicans in congress care more about power than principles.

and a lot of what tryptakid said.

alasdair
The supreme court at least ruled unanimously that Abrego Garcia was illegally deported, has to be returned immediately and demanded a status update. The truly mind blowing thing is that this ruling is now being ignored. I honestly don't understand Trump. Is he really trying to get that guy killed on purpose by delaying this case as long as possible?
 
I don't understand why he's not getting in trouble. Guaranteed his family and friends made billions off of the market.

The second sentence is the reason for the first? I have never heard of a judge directly saying "I do not want to send you to jail" -- Than being attacked by that defendant later online.

There is no justice here. I do not believe it is a coincidence the order and time-frame those cases came to court. Most would be strung up for treason. (rightfully so? idk) lol
 
Hope his ass gets found in contempt of court. This is just disgusting. Country's currently being run by traitors who give no shits about whether something is legal, constitutional or anything else for that matter.
It's crazy that he can break the law and nothing happens. I don't know if he broke the law but I wouldn't be surprised if there was inside trading.
The Musk situation is crazy. He's going after social programs while he gets millions from the tax payer. Complete conflict of interest.

Isn't trump trying to make it so he can run a third term?
 
Yea quite the diplomat too. Thoroughly alienated our allies (DIRECTLY ON BOTH BORDERS) and united our 'enemies'. Can anybody name a country that is a "Sure ally" at this point? (I assume so but it is worth asking)

Jen x-- YES HE IS TALKING ABOUT A THIRD TERM. So is Bannon and Vance and his whole team of lackies; also talking about running Eric. (Historically this is near when a revolution or a dictatorship (Dynasty?) -- I feel like they tried this with the Bush family. (Al gore did not protesteth much than became even more uber reach *substantially*). Didn't his brother Jeb (gov of FL for context) confirm him when things were kinda up in the air? A family line of gluttons that as long as kept happy will gladly throw us all to the wolves. --- ONLY A TRUE PSYCHO WOULD EVEN BE TALKING ABOUT A THIRD TERM (That is reality) -- What are we going to do about it? (also reality). Saw a T-shirt that boils it down well "They want 1929 germany lets give them 1786 france"

(Knew I shoulda bought gold in october lol) I would also like to point out no democrat has ever became president without the popular vote. The last 2 republican presidents entered on electorate but NOT popular vote; anyone that knows anything knows the incumbant (see i cant spell the word i still know) holds a clear advantage. (An advantage democrats kneecapped themself with by pushing Kamala forward). --- That debate was horrible yes but I will take old and feeble over old and evil all day. Not that Kamala wasn't good enough.

America is either A. Very Very Stupid
or B: We are the bad guys/evil empire.

What do our non americans (especially) think we fall or are you seeing a C?
 
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conflict of interest.
that's why it shoulda been nipped in the bud, musk's position as a 'special government employee' or whatever very obviously breaks the law right off the bat because of the conflict of interest. nevermind the money he spent buying the election...
 


"the home growns", he means natural born citizens.

the only ppl more american than natural born citizens are native americans.
 
the constitution is toilet paper to this guy.

fuck the 1st amendment, 4th amendment, 5th amendment, 6th amendment, 10th amendment, 12th amendment, 14th amendment, 16th amendment and the 22nd amendment, right?

meanwhile the vocal, patriotic 2nd amendment defenders:

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alasdair
 
shit they came into my house with no paperwork or cause and grabbbed a legal citizen up during the biden years -- but at least it was a no no.... So basically marshall law. (I dont know why theres a line through my ish lol)
 
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the constitution is toilet paper to this guy.

fuck the 1st amendment, 4th amendment, 5th amendment, 6th amendment, 10th amendment, 12th amendment, 14th amendment, 16th amendment and the 22nd amendment, right?

meanwhile the vocal, patriotic 2nd amendment defenders:

tumbleweed.jpg


alasdair
ALL AMENDMENTS MATTER
 
They absolutely do. And that sentence breaks like almost all of them? They can lock up anyone as long as a court doesn't intervene? (or as long as you can afford and have access to a court/lawyer you have a chance) more punish the impoverished bullshite --- Do they need a reason (stupid question of course its subjective af)
 
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