Opioids Do fentanyl blue presses also contain xylazine

[LucidSDreamr]

Do fentanyl blue presses also contain xylazine?

Like the powder does? West coast if that matters.

Do the pill testing cites traditionally used for e pills have any data on this you could direct me towards?

Thanks

 

[Quasimoto]

Not to my knowledge, it seems to be limited to powder and the east coast.

The presses mostly come from the cartels, but there are also a lot of smaller operations making them in country.

Probably not, but always assume it may be in there.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Not to my knowledge, it seems to be limited to powder and the east coast.

The presses mostly come from the cartels, but there are also a lot of smaller operations making them in country.

Probably not, but always assume it may be in there.

Someone in another thread I asked about it said that xylazine is in west coast powder fentanyl.

It was in the new thread about this new drug (starts with “M” being added to fent now). Was in DC or OD recently.

They also said that the cartel adds xylazine to fent not domestic distributors….so if the cartel does it wouldn’t it end up on the west coast also then?

 

[Quasimoto]

if the cartel does it wouldn’t it end up on the west coast also then?

Yes. But it also depends on which cartel(s). Sinaloa dominates the west coast, and last I heard they stopped producing fent, hence all the fent shortage posts recently. Some other cartel probably filled the gap. I don't believe Sinaloa ever touched xylazine.

I'd probably take other's advice over mine as I'm not super knowledgeable on this. Been out of the fent game for awhile.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I'd probably take other's advice over mine as I'm not super knowledgeable on this. Been out of the fent game for awhile.

As have I but I always wonder what will happen when the government bans MAT and suboxone as they have done with use of opioids in pain.

Matter of time until they ban them for addiction….i can see that happening in the US very soon.

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

Fent blues are usually safe because it isn't as easy to contaminate. I'm sure there are times wherethe fent was already contaminated with it and then the pressed into the pill though. IF they are high quality pressed no.
You can always crush up and use xylazine test strip and then still use the drug if it doesn't test positive.

 

[pcplease]

if safely using blues should be crushing them up for volumetric dosing anyways. hot spots are inevitable

etomidate has been available from china for several years probably in some areas since. now theres meto and i think a few other straight up anaesthetics used. there is no way of knowing without testing. i dont know if the half life of any LAST short enough to where someone could pass off a product as "straight fent-no tranq" , but it wouldnt surprise me if/when that happens if/when one is discovered

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Am I the only person that will never touch fentanyl again because of the inclusion of anesthetics in it?

Specially xylazine which apparently rots your body from the inside of your organs out to your skin. HTF is this even a business model for the cartel?

I guess most drug users don’t give a shit what is in their drugs and will just consume anything.

I don’t really see how this is good for business but it must make up for the lost customers like myself in some other way

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I won't touch it due to it's lack of euphoria and equally if not more crushing financially that H.. I tried to convince all users to boycott but you see how that turned out ..... as apparently we do random blue powder ID guessing now? "Hot Spots are Inevitable" pushed me off the market -- TF I do buy a bag try 02mg of it than 10, than 30 (Hotspot im dead). Volumetric dosing is good.

LSD yea hit it in the second sentence. I remember when people wanted the dope cut with fent. (Maybe they still do)

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I won't touch it due to it's lack of euphoria

Yes it’s not that great recreation wise but it’s a great analgesic and pain medicine is de facto illegal for use in medical treatment now so having fentanyl without ass rotting xylazine in it would’ve been nice

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Valid point! I forget not all of us are just in it for the fun sometimes. Pain medicine de facto illegal? (Did I miss a law change or just tightening of the purse springs?). Was bad enough when they put TimeRx on everydamn thing.....Sorry for the situation you are in LSD. Genuinely fucked up they can produce as much as they want and than act like your takin the last sip of water on earth (almost all opiates).

I still want one of the lollipops just for cultural value -- and the non gel ones extract at 90% with "Some form" of alcohol. (Idk how allowed we are to talk about such things). The short duration seems like it would be rough to deal with however. (I guess any port in a storm).

FTR if you have a pain condition I wouldn't ask you to boycott anything that works -- but be careful out there you know how ugly it is.

actually if you need that level of relief what about that odd type of opi "Nitrizes" or somethin close --- about equipotent (if not more be more than careful) potent than fent and last a long arse time.. No idea how they are for pain however?

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Who knows what nitazenes do long term. If you take RCs long term you are gambling with your kidneys and poisoning yourself with heavy metals.

Take a visit to r/chronicpain on Reddit if you want to see the consequences of the de facto opioid bans. Totally disabled people writing suicide notes weekly because they are prescribed nothing at all.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Oh I am by no means endorsing them! Thank you didn't know about the heavy metals, saw them available and thought "That is playing with fire for someone like you" and diverted. (Other than checking out how often it pops into the H supply).

^Listen to him not me that was pure speculation based on potency plus duration.

De facto opioid bans -- fun. Glad I already redflagged myself with suboxone. (Those are words I will choke on I am sure; as you mentioned how long till they come for rehab meds)

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Oh I am by no means endorsing them! Thank you didn't know about the heavy metals, saw them available and thought "That is playing with fire for someone like you" and diverted. (Other than checking out how often it pops into the H supply).

^Listen to him not me that was pure speculation based on potency plus duration.

De facto opioid bans -- fun. Glad I already redflagged myself with suboxone. (Those are words I will choke on I am sure; as you mentioned how long till they come for rehab meds)

Suboxone and methadone are the only accessible opioids because withdrawl pain is the only pain the medical establishment treats anymore.

I’ve seen people die of cancer refused all opioids except tramadol. Feeling uncomfortable because you ran out of heroin? Here have 200 mg of methadone per day

‘My point is that ”reflagging” yourself will only get you closer to the only accessible opioids - not farther so you’re good if you ever suffer physical trauma or disease

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Agreed. Valid point at where they start the dosages too. (A bit high usually imho).

I redflagged myself because dope became "Grey death", pills became insane expensive, and its just a exhausting lifestyle (actually it was mostly the probation lol).

Would your point not be moot if those were the only "accessible opiates legitimately given out" and they are going to hang me out to die on the other end anyways? (not trying to start anything and I am not sure if I am arguing semantics or logistics here even).

It was with great reluctancy and the push of probations onset and knowing I would be assigned a rehab by the court if I did not act preemptively. If I am in pain a doctor is just kind of a middleman after I get the diagnosis? Figure I am better fending for myself when it comes to pain.

I will concur that is scary and not a good thing by any means. But when the system fails you... ( I do see the wisdom you are passing down here, chronic pain is almost sure to happen if you live long enough and having a big red flag isn't going to help the doc's pen loosen up and that would be a hellish state --- truly sickening that they are doing this. May I ask when the de-facto ban began, US or ? *sounds like a US move* )

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Agreed. Valid point at where they start the dosages too. (A bit high usually imho).

I redflagged myself because dope became "Grey death", pills became insane expensive, and its just a exhausting lifestyle (actually it was mostly the probation lol).

Would your point not be moot if those were the only "accessible opiates legitimately given out" and they are going to hang me out to die on the other end anyways? (not trying to start anything and I am not sure if I am arguing semantics or logistics here even).

It was with great reluctancy and the push of probations onset and knowing I would be assigned a rehab by the court if I did not act preemptively. If I am in pain a doctor is just kind of a middleman after I get the diagnosis? Figure I am better fending for myself when it comes to pain.

I will concur that is scary and not a good thing by any means. But when the system fails you... ( I do see the wisdom you are passing down here, chronic pain is almost sure to happen if you live long enough and having a big red flag isn't going to help the doc's pen loosen up and that would be a hellish state --- truly sickening that they are doing this. May I ask when the de-facto ban began, US or ? *sounds like a US move* )

When the Dea weaponized the 2016 CDC prescribing guidelines…..the cdc basically said nobody should be above the 90 mg of morphine equivalent…but the Dea used that to just arrests any doctors that prescribed opioids period

The cdc realized how destructive these guidelines were after massive increases in suicide disability and fentanyl use caused by pain patients of decades being cut off cold turkey…several blue state also made guidlines that were pro pain patient and pro opioids. Dea continued to ignore these revisions and arrest doctors and strip Dea prescribing licenses without any medical or legal justification

But the 2016 since retracted guidlines by the cdc is what made the dea unleashed.

The data shows their actions have caused a 5X increase in fentanyl deaths as soon as prescribed narcotics vanished. I’ve posted this graph many times on this site. Google fig 4 cdc opioid deaths and u should find it

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Got you im gunna chalk that up to "trump shit". Shoot doctors have been using that line for ALONG TIME I was unaware the guidelines changed; thank you for the info.

I would imagine that would cause a spike in both suicides and accidental overdoses. Absolutely. You're a pain patient now you are the street playin with "packs" of god knows what trying to treat a legitimate condition. The logic is linear AF. Should fall under "cruel and unusual punishment" to just have the thing someone KNOWS THEY NEED and refuse it. I know several ppl who have bags of the grey death for "worst case scenario" (Which varies from person to person....)

This is where I am going to say "If I took an oath to do no harm this would seem like a fitting hill to die/be fired on" -- Kind of like when teachers lock themselves in the office during school shootings (technically not your liability but cmon), or ppl just film horrid shite happening instead of intervening. I put some liability on the doctors no matter what big brother says.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Got you im gunna chalk that up to "trump shit". Shoot doctors have been using that line for ALONG TIME I was unaware the guidelines changed; thank you for the info.

I would imagine that would cause a spike in both suicides and accidental overdoses. Absolutely. You're a pain patient now you are the street playin with "packs" of god knows what trying to treat a legitimate condition. The logic is linear AF. Should fall under "cruel and unusual punishment" to just have the thing someone KNOWS THEY NEED and refuse it. I know several ppl who have bags of the grey death for "worst case scenario" (Which varies from person to person....)

This is where I am going to say "If I took an oath to do no harm this would seem like a fitting hill to die/be fired on" -- Kind of like when teachers lock themselves in the office during school shootings (technically not your liability but cmon), or ppl just film horrid shite happening instead of intervening. I put some liability on the doctors no matter what big brother says.

I do not blame Trump for the CDC catalyzed debacle. I hate the guy but this was just so far off his radar snd so much earlier on in his presidency. He doesn’t understand how anything works and his approach to opioid deaths has always just been to blame it on Mexicans and execute them.

I don’t really blame the doctors. Innocent ones were being handed 20 to life sentences. This is squarely law enforcements fault and them ignoring the law and weaponing medicine guidlines. The Dea has a lot of autonomy allowing them to do whatever they see fit to achieve their goals and nobody cares if the victims are dirty opioid takers even if they include the disabled and elderly.

Yes this happened to pill mills but it also haple ed to extremely legit respected pain specialists that’s were treating people with catastrophic disability from pain and people that frankly should be euthanized (but that is illegal too).

Heres CAs anti cold turkey cut off guidlines issued on response to this catastrophe. The CDCs retraction of their original weaponized guidlines is similar https://www.mbc.ca.gov/Download/Publications/pain-guidelines.pdf

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I blame law enforcement first and foremost. I agree about your assessment of trump -- kinda his job for shit like that to be on the radar (but early in his presidency and im not a politic guy so I digress/defer that one.

LEO almost always have a choice to what extent they enforce a law (So blame starts there) I disagree on doctors and feel they have an obligation to hold the line. (However I absolutely understand not wanting to lose your job or possibly face prison FOR DOING YOUR CAREER -- m.d's aint cheap. I hoped part of that education would be to not let other ish influence your judgement--- but you can clearly see from the allegra tote bags and shite that is FAR FROM THE CASE.

Would it be too much of a pain in the ass to cite an 'extremely legit pain specialist that went to prison'? (If it is in that link I apologize and will edit for some reason i replied first). The euthanasia issue is sad af too if you wanna go there should be no financial penalty for it.

Ill read up and thank you -- CA NY and (for some reason) Chicago and Detroit specifically the laws on weapons and sentence guidelines get really tight. (Oh I know what all of those places have in common!! People they want marginalized, ,dare I say minorities perhaps.)

I will have to check but I am pretty sure I know someone on 300 mg morphine a day (unless they got cut to 90 and just ate it stoic). Yea chronic degenerative disease with no hope of wavering. I tip my hat to those of you in pain as a "hey this is fun" user (which im way passed that stage but no TRUE pain) --- Closest I came to that was having to get a surgery on suboxone which has it's own set of suckiness but not permanent.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I blame law enforcement first and foremost. I agree about your assessment of trump -- kinda his job for shit like that to be on the radar (but early in his presidency and im not a politic guy so I digress/defer that one.

LEO almost always have a choice to what extent they enforce a law (So blame starts there) I disagree on doctors and feel they have an obligation to hold the line. (However I absolutely understand not wanting to lose your job or possibly face prison FOR DOING YOUR CAREER -- m.d's aint cheap. I hoped part of that education would be to not let other ish influence your judgement--- but you can clearly see from the allegra tote bags and shite that is FAR FROM THE CASE.

Would it be too much of a pain in the ass to cite an 'extremely legit pain specialist that went to prison'? (If it is in that link I apologize and will edit for some reason i replied first). The euthanasia issue is sad af too if you wanna go there should be no financial penalty for it.

Ill read up and thank you -- CA NY and (for some reason) Chicago and Detroit specifically the laws on weapons and sentence guidelines get really tight. (Oh I know what all of those places have in common!! People they want marginalized, ,dare I say minorities perhaps.)

I will have to check but I am pretty sure I know someone on 300 mg morphine a day (unless they got cut to 90 and just ate it stoic). Yea chronic degenerative disease with no hope of wavering. I tip my hat to those of you in pain as a "hey this is fun" user (which im way passed that stage but no TRUE pain) --- Closest I came to that was having to get a surgery on suboxone which has it's own set of suckiness but not permanent.

Sure there are ppl that still have opioids scripts. It’s just rare and not fair (way worse off ppl get nothing - lucky connected folks get something)

I already mentioned to check r/chronicpain on Reddit if you want to see thousands of stories of severely sick and disabled ppl that get zero pains meds.

Fox News ( yes that Fox News) did a 3 part series sometime around 2018 about this problem…..it may have been called “dying of pain” or something.

This Fox News Features special features elite doctors who were prosecuted or threatened with firing or license loss, one was a researcher at the university of Florida.


Another example is a chain of pain clinics in the Bay Area that lost their schedule 2 license. Heart of Silicon Valley, has surgeons, def not a pill mill. Name escapes me now but I want to them and the doctor there told me that only 5 clinics left in the bay area (population 3 million) had a C2 license left.

Stanford universities pain management clinic has a nonC2 opioid policy also. They’re certainly not a pill mill and have the most elite doctors on earth.



Otherwise Google will easily bring you plenty of news stories you’re asking for evidence of