Will i see a decent government before i die?

[moshforjesus]

Not sure about their credentials tbh, havent they all been lunatics with skeletons in their closets, apart from Farage? He either doesnt have any, or has had them very well hid. Or maybe the UKs overwhelmingly right wing press is in his favour, and doesnt want to do the dirty on him, which is no doubt helping his prolonged popular appeal and populist policies.

Granted Farage is an engaging public speaker, and that in itself is getting rarer and rarer amongst todays politicians. He's got experience from his EU stuff too. But no party can be a one man band.

He will need at least 350 or so (IIRC) competent people to stand for election for his party and to get elected. A tall order me thinks.

Wasnt his party down to just 1 or 2 men left standing, apart from Farage, at the last election?

They won five seats and came second in loads of others, so it's a bit of an exaggeration to say there was only a couple left standing. His previous Brexit party had difficulties with people they'd recruited having previously posted massively unhinged stuff on social media. If I were him, I'd make it a condition for anyone wanting to be a candidate to wipe their entire social media and delete all accounts tbh

Not a fan of Farage or Reform at all, but it's pretty grotesque that they got 14% of the popular vote, but ended up with 5 seats, whereas the Lib Dems got 12% of votes and ended up with 72 seats. We really need to scrap/reform (no pun intended!) our FPTP electoral system, as the current model is massively undemocratic

 

[new2drugs]

Seeing as everyone has avoided this subject since the Tory scum got thrown to the wall, I'm wondering what the next 5, 10, 15 years of government is going to look like now we have the SLOP (Slightly Less Offensive Party) in charge. Will things change? Will I stop being ashamed to be British? Will I fuckin die before the fruits of our Labour are reaped?



Does anyone really care?

I thought the greens were on it but apparently not. They are also in favour of puberty blockers for kids so that rules out any more votes from me..scum as you say.

 

[GulpingBatteryLiquid]

Seeing as everyone has avoided this subject since the Tory scum got thrown to the wall, I'm wondering what the next 5, 10, 15 years of government is going to look like now we have the SLOP (Slightly Less Offensive Party) in charge. Will things change? Will I stop being ashamed to be British? Will I fuckin die before the fruits of our Labour are reaped?



Does anyone really care?

Lol Labour are out Torying the Tories

Getting rid of the winter fuel allowance, increasing the maximum bus fare to £3, making private schools way more expensive (Reminder that not all private schools are Eton and not everyone sending their kids there is very well off, plus depending on where you live it's the only chance your child will receive a decent education.)

They're doing austerity, but instead of calling it austerity, they're making weird claims about a "black hole" (What does this even mean? A deficit?)

They've also decided to let a bunch of people out of prison, including machete killers, to make room for the summer rioters. Now, some of the rioters definitely deserve jail. But others did very mild things that would normally get you a suspended sentence, if that. Should we be letting machete killers out to make room for these people?

 

[GulpingBatteryLiquid]

They won five seats and came second in loads of others, so it's a bit of an exaggeration to say there was only a couple left standing. His previous Brexit party had difficulties with people they'd recruited having previously posted massively unhinged stuff on social media. If I were him, I'd make it a condition for anyone wanting to be a candidate to wipe their entire social media and delete all accounts tbh

Not a fan of Farage or Reform at all, but it's pretty grotesque that they got 14% of the popular vote, but ended up with 5 seats, whereas the Lib Dems got 12% of votes and ended up with 72 seats. We really need to scrap/reform (no pun intended!) our FPTP electoral system, as the current model is massively undemocratic

It's not unfair, it's how our system works. You have to win the seat to get the seat.

Just look at the countries in Europe without FPTP. You end up with 8 different parties with significant amount of seats, none with any real power unless they form alliances, and the voters have no say about which alliances are formed.

Say what you like about the AfD, but they're the second most popular political party in Germany, but have no power because the other parties simply refuse to work with them. Is that very democratic?

 

[CFC]

The biggest way in which Labour have become the Tories is not one most seem to have computed or talked about.

Council tax is, essentially, a poll tax. Yes, if you live in a bigger house, you pay more, but the grading is extremely unprogressive. The poor pay overwhelmingly more council tax as a proportion of their income. This also hinges on the idea that property size/value = income/wealth. Which is also not true most of the time. Either way, it's a very very shitty way of generating tax revenues. But Labour have decided to push massive council tax increases anyway, rather than relying on (the fairer) income tax. Effectively redistributing income from the poor to the rich.

And yes, increases are only necessary because the Tories stopped funding councils from progressive income tax revenues and forced councils to slash service provision and go bust. But the solution (raising income tax) is being intentionally avoided by Labour in its desperate bid to impress the Bilderberg oligarchs and prove they can fuck the economy up even betterer than the last bunch of criminals.

 

[GulpingBatteryLiquid]

Yes council tax is a piss take. It's actually significantly higher in some poorer parts of the country than in some rich ones.

If you try to contact the council about the most basic of issues you will most likely be ignored. What services are actually being provided? £100 to have each bin emptied fortnightly does not seem like a good deal.

Plus there's the fact that it comes out of your net pay, not your gross. Why can't it just be taken from gross pay? Surely that wouldn't be so hard to implement?

 

[opiofr3k]

170 quid near leeds in small town is some crazy council tax, fuck 'em all

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

All you lot that voted for Labour happy today?
Punching down on the Poor to fund "The System" is Fucking Evil but hey let us never forget History & what "The Red" folks have always done in History.

Stalin sure showed those Ukraine folks when funds were needed, Mao sure taught those birds a lesson & laughed over what happened to the poor, Pol Pot taught the Cambodian folks a lesson "Out of Love" as he said on his deathbed.....go figure

 

[kiely]

 

[GulpingBatteryLiquid]

All you lot that voted for Labour happy today?
Punching down on the Poor to fund "The System" is Fucking Evil but hey let us never forget History & what "The Red" folks have always done in History.

Stalin sure showed those Ukraine folks when funds were needed, Mao sure taught those birds a lesson & laughed over what happened to the poor, Pol Pot taught the Cambodian folks a lesson "Out of Love" as he said on his deathbed.....go figure

No no, don't you see, austerity is bad, but plugging a "black hole" is fine, it's a very important distinction

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I've lost interest in UK politics now.

I'm too busy pissing myself laughing at America...

 

[kiely]

Will i see a decent government before i die?​

No because they will kill first so that you don't have to.

 

[Bleaney]

I've lost interest in UK politics now.

I'm too busy pissing myself laughing at America...

People can and will say all sorts of things about Donald Trump, but there is never really a dull moment when he's in the spotlight. And I can't see this changing.

Some people are speculating that his international tarif war could be an opening gambit for future negotiations. I guess they think it could be some kind of mind games to show other countries that he can make things very difficult for everyone else, even if he shoots his own country in the foot at the same time, but then in a little while he might start offering concessions and reversals in the hope that all other countries will bite his hand off at the offers, and so be able to secure better deals for America.

Who knows with Trump though, is he really as rational, clever, and calculating as that, or just a complete loose cannon that could do or say anything, at any time?

I'd say that this is all part of what makes most politicians and politics everywhere else, and especially in Britain, seem extremely dull in comparison. By Christ our politicians are such an incredibly dull lot these days, I swear they get worse with every new lot that comes in.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I've now changed my location from 'The laughing stock of Europe' (Re.Brexit), to 'Laughing at the laughing stock of the world'.

But seriously though, it ain't no laughing matter. Trump et al are fuckin deranged and are causing an instability in the world's that the jihadis can only dream of.

Al least our politicians are merely retarded buffoons, but them yanks take it to the next level...

 

[Ismene2]

All you lot that voted for Labour happy today?
Punching down on the Poor to fund "The System" is Fucking Evil but hey let us never forget History & what "The Red" folks have always done in History.

Stalin sure showed those Ukraine folks when funds were needed, Mao sure taught those birds a lesson & laughed over what happened to the poor, Pol Pot taught the Cambodian folks a lesson "Out of Love" as he said on his deathbed.....go figure

Big difference between authoritarian and democratic socialism - you cant compare the two.

And david cameron did far more damage to britain than the luftwaffe ever did.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

western governments will continue in their current trajectory of letting the billionaire class crush the working class into desperation until mass civil unrest and self destruction among the middle class occurs.

China will collect the ruins. This has already happened in Africa, it’s just taking a little longer to destroy western civilization.

 

[GulpingBatteryLiquid]

But seriously though, it ain't no laughing matter. Trump et al are fuckin deranged and are causing an instability in the world's that the jihadis can only dream of.

Bush and Obama (and to a lesser extent, Blair and Cameron) literally aided Jihadis to overthrow secular dictators in the Middle East. Because of that, Libya is now a failed state with open air slave markets. The huge amount of migrants coming from the Middle East and Africa can largely be attributed to those decisions

Trump has his faults, for sure, but I think it's pretty tough to claim that he's causing more instability than previous Presidents / Prime Ministers

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Trump has his faults, for sure, but I think it's pretty tough to claim that he's causing more instability than previous Presidents / Prime Ministers

Yes groceries costing thousand per month for a family; a crashing stock market seeing no bottom: tariff wars; and threatening to invade multiple nato allies and amend the constitution to allow a third term while allowing an African drugged out of his mind to gut the government and privatize everything for himself while the public burns down the Africans car dealerships; hiring TV show host alcoholic wife beaters with no experience to run the defense dept that text war plans on apps and invite members of the public to listen then lying about it under oath before the senante; pardoning terrorists and financial criminals that are members of the AGs family - all very stable normal stuff

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Bush and Obama (and to a lesser extent, Blair and Cameron) literally aided Jihadis to overthrow secular dictators in the Middle East. Because of that, Libya is now a failed state with open air slave markets. The huge amount of migrants coming from the Middle East and Africa can largely be attributed to those decisions

Trump has his faults, for sure, but I think it's pretty tough to claim that he's causing more instability than previous Presidents / Prime Ministers

Just keep gulping that battery liquid mate

But yeh, you're right that Bush and botty boy Blair did a lot to fuel the rise of the Jihadis. But that pales into insignificance when you've got Trump and Mr.Mascara cosying up to Putin.