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deficiT said:
The general philosophy is that, if we don't have ceps, political discussion will begin to just bleed out into the rest of the site, like the harm reduction focus forums. My thoughts are that if we ran into that, just delete it as off topic as necessary.
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And here we are again.
Why don't you just save what you think is valuable for feeding a knowledge database and then nuke this whole place?
 
I shall remind that not every platform needs to cater to every need.

Discord channel also has "controversial topics", separated from all other more benign traffic. You can contribute there also, there is only one twist; you have to follow the rules.

:eek:

I have been dabbling in Discord lately, I encourage people to find by themselves what it could offer to them. It just took me a long while to patiently internalize rules, I had to be reminded of them regularly, they are as many as in forum.
 
paltatomate said:
And here we are again.
Why don't you just save what you think is valuable for feeding a knowledge database and then nuke this whole place?
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What do you mean? I'm not crusading to purge the site of all content, and I have never been that type of person or mod here. At this point, we've had dozens of current and former staff & users, suggest removing CEP, for years now.

The point here, as I stated, is that Bluelight is evolving beyond being just a message board or forum, it's a legitimate organization, that requires actual money to host and has real needs. If people want to talk about their views on abortion, civil rights, identity politics & culture war bs, that's cool, but it's got nothing to really do with drug information, harm reduction, or anything in the mission statement. If the content hosted on ceps becomes nothing but a source of conflict, and actively creates issues for all of our staff and users here, it's not a crazy suggestion to just be done with the political content. There are plenty of lovely places to argue about politics online, but here, it's a distraction and it disrupts everything.

I never supported getting rid of CEPs. The only reason I'm mentioning it, is because a ton of people have suggested it, and recently, including in this thread. By now, after dealing with all of this for years, I'm not really opposed to just archiving it, it's actively a problem.
 
mal3volent said:
Or you could just make it so the people who want to be there can be, and those who don't...don't.

Thats why I made the cep ban a long time ago. Look how nicely it's working out for Krank.

Just do the same thing as when you kicked everyone off staff. Kick everyone out of CEP and make an announcement that you need to opt in to post there. Pretty simple. Problem solved.
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I don't think that's a bad idea
 
Cannot stand CEPS toxic af imo

I enjoy political discourse (or did anyway pre the total madness of it all) and use(d) a dedicatedly political forum for my online discourse. I've never really tried to engage on CEPS though because A) it's a total shitshow and B) I use BL as a lighthearted space (as well as an HR one) C) I have no impulse or need to overtly demonstrate intellectual prowess (or the need to be seen to be 'right') on this forum (which is what I often sense beneath the surface in that subforum)

Really pity the mods there, not a good vibe at all and @Mr. Krinkle is onto a good idea with it

EDIT in fact please ban me from it too, just in case I'm tempted to look. It just brings me the fuck down so whats the point
 
deficiT said:
What do you mean? I'm not crusading to purge the site of all content, and I have never been that type of person or mod here. At this point, we've had dozens of current and former staff & users, suggest removing CEP, for years now.

The point here, as I stated, is that Bluelight is evolving beyond being just a message board or forum, it's a legitimate organization, that requires actual money to host and has real needs. If people want to talk about their views on abortion, civil rights, identity politics & culture war bs, that's cool, but it's got nothing to really do with drug information, harm reduction, or anything in the mission statement. If the content hosted on ceps becomes nothing but a source of conflict, and actively creates issues for all of our staff and users here, it's not a crazy suggestion to just be done with the political content. There are plenty of lovely places to argue about politics online, but here, it's a distraction and it disrupts everything.

I never supported getting rid of CEPs. The only reason I'm mentioning it, is because a ton of people have suggested it, and recently, including in this thread. By now, after dealing with all of this for years, I'm not really opposed to just archiving it, it's actively a problem.
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You can barely even joke around about politics without somebody somewhere being offended

Test it out - close it for 30 days, and at the end of the 30 days, tell me what you think

Maybe then you'll all believe me
 
I understand the general idea is to push your political views on others, but you see how well that's working right?
 
I know I am better off not indulging in CEPS but then I proceed to participate anyway occasionally and more often than not I end up regretting it, often after stretching the rules and going into insult-territory. It is dumb.

If we make it so that you'd need perms to participate, I suggest that CEPS content is not shown in side panel of recent posts to people without perms. Hell, is it even good idea to display it to people with perms? they might be having edgy, bad day and then they notice that there is discussion about if giraffes should be allowed to elephant zone and then all hell is loose.
 
Seems like a bit of a stretch to say "there will still be problems" as a rebuttal to my solution. There are problems everywhere. That's what staff is for. Go to the ACP > Node Permissions and set CEPS to private. Make an announcement that instructs users to send a message saying they want to opt in, along with an acknowledgment of the guidelines. Then give the ones who want to participate permissions to... the trolls likely won't bother, and if there are problems just take their perms away.

There is no need to take it away from those of us who have participated there with no issues for years...

If you think it sucks well good for you, you won't ever have to see it again.
And no, if the forum is invisible to you, you won't see the threads pop up in the recent threads box.
 
i don't often see arguments from stuff like CEPs crossing over into the harm reduction parts of the sites. it might occur a little, but this website seems pretty civil.. i wouldn't really close current events and politics, although i don't really read it, it's interesting to get different drug users opinions on politics and there's different people from all across the world here and that's not something you see everywhere on the net... but whatever. not really a big deal to me...

i feel like spiritual discussion could trigger someone to get on some pretty bizarre thoughts and might not even go along with straight up harm reduction... but i don't think it's a big deal. there's all sorts of shit on the net people will find anyways.. plenty of crazy stuff on you tube and reddit.

i find so much variety of posting on this site, i have fun with being creative sometimes and might say some negative stuff... but yeah.. i dunno... i try to read the rules. i don't have the best memory.. i generally try to stay positive on the net and not post too much...
 
I posted in CEPs once in a thread I made myself about a subject I have a special interest in and I still have a rash.

I fucking hate ceps I've never made a secret of that. Talking about politics just seems to bring the worst out in people. I guess I've never advocated for having it removed because it is a high traffic forum so the demand is obviously there. And if we were to remove CEPs we would have to consider are we just removing a forum or are we banning political discussion entirely and if so what are the implications of policing that site wide?

Right now it's easy, because if something political is posted anywhere outside of ceps we can just move it there, while if we didn't have ceps we'd be looking at deleting those threads instead.

Can't have your cake and eat it I suppose. Removing ceps might solve a problem or two while creating a problem or two.

Still, can't say I'd miss it if were gone personally.
 
By now I prefer reading CEPs than this thread. Why do I have as a simple bluelighter to still see this kind of discussions?
 
mal3volent said:
Seems like a bit of a stretch to say "there will still be problems" as a rebuttal to my solution. There are problems everywhere. That's what staff is for. Go to the ACP > Node Permissions and set CEPS to private. Make an announcement that instructs users to send a message saying they want to opt in, along with an acknowledgment of the guidelines. Then give the ones who want to participate permissions to... the trolls likely won't bother, and if there are problems just take their perms away.

There is no need to take it away from those of us who have participated there with no issues for years...

If you think it sucks well good for you, you won't ever have to see it again.
And no, if the forum is invisible to you, you won't see the threads pop up in the recent threads box.
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That's an idea

Try that out too

I say shut it down for a couple weeks, then bring it back like that and see how it goes

But it definitely causes a divide sometimes that spills over to other parts of the forum - we've all witnessed or been a part of that
 
Shinji Ikari said:
I guess I've never advocated for having it removed because it is a high traffic forum so the demand to tell previous poster is wrong is obviously there.
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FTFY


I also just recently noticed something happening in my mind; I realized that I would have push to get the perms to CEPS if we went that way because I have serious, medically diagnosed jesus-syndrome and I suffer of cognition "if those other people are there expressing bad opinions, I need to get involved to tell them they have mistaken"

Most people do not think like this so I am not either fully advocating against the concept about perms. But generally, I am trying to highlight reasons why it might be utopic to think that perms would solve issues associated to CEPS.
 
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