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Russo-Ukrainian War v. World War 3?

Pickledlemons said:
And people wonder why ukraine doesn't want to draft under 25.....
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Ukranian men are committing mass suicide by joining this conflict . . . or getting conscripted into it. The Ukranian far right bears responsibility. They have totally intimidated Zelenskyy. He knows they'll shoot him, if he makes any concessions.

Trump is right to want to shut this debacle down. Ukraine lost. It will keep losing more and more dead soldiers and more and more territory. The cold war never ended. The USA wouldn't let it end. All this death . . . for nothing.
 
alasdairm said:
lol. does trump have some monopoly on wanting the conflict to end?

almost everybody wants to shut the debacle down :)

trump said, if elected, he'd end the war in ukraine before he was inaugurated.

what happened to that?

alasdair
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Trump talks out of his ass a lot, or had you not noticed?

Zelenskyy wants to keep fighting. The former Asov members want to keep fighting. The U.K. and France want Ukraine to keep fighting. A bunch of American members of Congress want the fight to go on. Sometimes, you have to cut your losses. The Minsk agreement was sensible.

I think Trump hates to see white guys killing other white guys.

This conflict will end, when Russia ends it.
 
alasdairm said:
oh sure. you just worded it like trump was the first person to push for the end of the conflict :)

alasdair
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You put that interpretation on what I said. You wanted to put down my post, so you made out that I said something foolish, which I didn't say. What are you actually ticked off about?

It seems you feel critical about Trump. Join the club. I didn't vote for the guy, so getting mad at me doesn't get you anywhere.
 
alasdairm said:
of course i did.



i did not. i was making light, not putting down.



i'm not mad at you.

alasdair
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Oh, that's right . . . you started off with "lol." You even put a smiley face. So you're being humorous? About what?

And you're asking me to account for why Trump didn't fulfill his campaign promise to stop the war in Ukraine? Why ask me?

What really got your goat - I guess - was me giving Trump credit for being right about something. Yes, I said it! Yes . . . even a moron like Trump can see that no one gaines from keeping this war going. Trump has long cultivated an ability to see who gains from what. Selfish, greedy people tend to have that kind of undistracted focus.

Trump made another promise that he didn't keep. Gee, what a shock.
 
Pickledlemons said:
Should all countries have surrendered during ww2 to avoid causalities or as you say it 'committing mass suicide'?
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All countries did surrender, or were surrendered to, during WW2. I believe that's what ended the war.

Surrendering to limit pointless bloodshed is an old and honored military tradition. Great generals have done it.
 
Jen X said:
I would love to see zelensky's net worth before the war and now.
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The same Zelensky that said he'd step down in exchange for nato membership? The guy who didn't run... even to lyiv in the face of an overwhelming force coming right his way in the opening stages of the war, really doesn't seem like the self serving kind of guy Trump and Putin are. But yes I would be too, just to shut up people who keep making this accusation.
 
Pickledlemons said:
I can think of a couple that did not surrender against the aggressors.
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The U.S. and Britain didn't surrender to Germany because they were on the winning side. You don't have to surrender when you are winning the war. Ukraine is not winning against Russia. The longer Ukraine fights, the more territory it loses and the more soldiers it buries.
 
Ukraine needs to surrender asap. It's a big honour what they have done, they have fought so bravely, they didn't allow Russia to take Kiev and rule the place; they still have a chance of being a (very relatively) sovereign nation, like many other european ones But, if they don't surrender they will lose their future, they won't be able to be a viable state if they keep fighting, as they will lose more territories and even their access to the Black Sea. If they lose Odessa they are done as a viable state cause they won't be able to export their grain and minerals: the economy would be destroyed, and when economy falls politics can't save a nation.
Ukraine would become a weird kind of polish protectorate supervised by NATO.
At this point, "ukranian victory dreamers" are the biggest enemy of the nation's single goal: keep fucking existing
 
Pickledlemons said:
The same Zelensky that said he'd step down in exchange for nato membership? The guy who didn't run... even to lyiv in the face of an overwhelming force coming right his way in the opening stages of the war, really doesn't seem like the self serving kind of guy Trump and Putin are. But yes I would be too, just to shut up people who keep making this accusation.
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And what was the reason they can't join NATO?. Corruption and you think Zelensky has no part of that. How naive. He refuses to be transparent and his wife shops for million dollar diamonds in new York. His army guy cosplay is a ridiculous stunt.
 
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