US Politics the 2025 trump presidency thread

[Fire&Water]

With a sense of humor to boot

something hard to find
w/ democrats these days

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Then an ex-astronaut who represents your party decides to make a virtue signaling spectacle out of trading in their Tesla for a climate change causing SUV, at the same time that SpaceX is rescuing astronauts due to the failure of Boeing, lol. Total mystery why that chart above may become even wider

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SpaceX Rescue Crew Member Wears ‘Alien’ Costume to Greet Stranded Astronauts Before They Head Back to Earth

Astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams were greeted by Crew-9 commander Nick Hague wearing an alien mask as he deboarded with the SpaceX crew at the International Space Station on Sunday, March 16.

people.com

Are you going to research the gender differences in the second poll in @alasdairms link?

 

[Electrum1]

I think you are confused. It was @alasdairm's link we were discussing.

There were two polls mentioned in @alasdairm's link. which I think I made rather clear. In the post you are responding to, you said it was the Emmerson poll and I said

So, obviously, even just from that post, there were two polls. Did you not see that in the original article? Now, please do the same research on the YouGov and The Economist poll.

The emerson poll is the one I linked the google doc to, the 3/11 poll. The NBC poll is the one in the Axios article in my post and where the chart I posted is from

 

[Electrum1]

I think you are confused. It was @alasdairm's link we were discussing.

There were two polls mentioned in @alasdairm's link. which I think I made rather clear. In the post you are responding to, you said it was the Emmerson poll and I said

So, obviously, even just from that post, there were two polls. Did you not see that in the original article? Now, please do the same research on the YouGov and The Economist poll.

In case you are somehow still not able to find the poll, here it is:

National Poll: At 50 Days, Trump's Honeymoon Fades as Economy Becomes Key Vulnerability - Emerson Polling

Voters Sour on Both Political Parties, With Democrats Facing Greater Backlash A new Emerson College…Full Release & Results

emersoncollegepolling.com

 

[4DQSAR]

I went to a protest at a Tesla dealership today. Well, it's actually a Burlington Coat Factory being changed to a Tesla dealership. Anyway, the weather is rainy today and it was rescheduled to Monday. A friend said that she and a couple others were going anyway since there was a window in the rain. I expected a few folks would be there hanging out and we would BS.

At least 50 people showed up, all with signs like, "Muck Fusck", "F Elon" and "Send Elon to Mars". It was on a busy street and the honking and thumbs up was phenominal. When I did the Board of Elections last year, it was maybe 66/33 thumbs up to fingers (Harris won my county, not the state). Today, there were 2 or three fingers and lots of thumbs up and honking.

So, my informal and flawed poll says that public opinion is changing.

Good times. Ya oughta go. The legacy media isn't covering this stuff just like they sanewashed Trump before the election. Again, legacy media are corporations...
But, real people seeing this is actually grass roots.

I suspect that Elon Musk rather than Tesla is the locus of approbrium.

We have mentioned it before, but although Musk owns something like 12% of the shares, a boardroom revolt is certainly in the making.

The grey men who hold shares on behalf of investment companies aren't dumb bunnies. They will quietly have been feeling the nations pulse by questioning possible buyers. After all, it doesn't matter what people who aren't potential customers think. It's the fact that sales have been slipping that will concern them.

It's still not certain that Tesla will be an enduring auto manufacturer. Most fail. I offered the thought that US investors might bail IF straw buyers (or even open buyers) from Chinese investment companies buy it ip - I'm sure Tesla could be produced for less in China and after the US, China is Tesla's largest market... That it ISN'T Europe should be a major concern. After all, by 2030 all new cars are manated to be emission-free. A seeming open goal and yet one that eludes tesla.

 

[Electrum1]

In case you are somehow still not able to find the poll, here it is:

National Poll: At 50 Days, Trump's Honeymoon Fades as Economy Becomes Key Vulnerability - Emerson Polling

Voters Sour on Both Political Parties, With Democrats Facing Greater Backlash A new Emerson College…Full Release & Results

emersoncollegepolling.com

Tesla is less of a car company now than it is a technology company. Read their 10Q filings. It's like Amazon being a book company at first

 

[4DQSAR]

Tesla is less of a car company now than it is a technology company. Read their 10Q filings. It's like Amazon being a book company at first

Well, that makes sense - Didn't the Kurt Vonnegut book 'Breakfast of Champions' mention a company (Barrytron Limited) whose business model constantly changed. The ONLY thing they kept hold on for some unexplained reason was their motto 'Goodbye Blue Monday'. Maybe Vonnegut foreshadowed Elon Musk? It doesn't really matter what a business does, as long as one strand allows the public to keep tabs on it?

In that case the business in question went from building automated washing machines to bomb componants to chemical weapons (the last two for the US government).

I guess we will know if Vonnegut was spot-on if Tesla end up as part of the US military...

 

[brokedownpalace10]

In case you are somehow still not able to find the poll, here it is:

National Poll: At 50 Days, Trump's Honeymoon Fades as Economy Becomes Key Vulnerability - Emerson Polling

Voters Sour on Both Political Parties, With Democrats Facing Greater Backlash A new Emerson College…Full Release & Results

emersoncollegepolling.com

I've made it very clear which poll we were discussing. Since you are obviously playing dumb at this point, against my better judgement I looked up the data myself.

The Economist /YouGov Poll does skew slightly toward women
Male . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .48%
Female . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 52%

But, that is more than made up for by the fact that it leans Republican in sampling

Democrat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .31%
Republican . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 33%
Independent . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 26%
Other . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4%

And that the Republicans it sample are mostly MAGA Republicans

Do you identify as a MAGA Republican?Asked of Republicans
Yes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 56%
No . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .36%
Not sure . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8%

And then there's

In general, how would you describe your own political viewpoint?
Very liberal . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12%
Liberal . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .15%
Total Liberal . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 27%
Moderate . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 32%
Conservative . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20%
Very conservative . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11%
Total Conservative . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 32%
Not sure . . . .9%

So, 63% conservative to 54% liberal.

And yet that poll showed 36 percent of respondents saying the country is headed in the right direction and 52 percent saying it is headed in the wrong direction. A pretty convincing result, no?

I don't think any of the sampling data means a huge amount, at least not anymore than you saying the Economist poll was wrong since it sampled more women.

I figured there was a reason you were avoiding the issue.

 

[helpingout]

P

Approval by Democrat and Republican voters for their own party will always be highly assymetric because it is much more common for left wingers to hate democrats than right wingers to hate republicans.

Also the republicans party is far more right wing than the Democratic Party is left wing.

Conservative voters never change their opinion or admit they were wrong. For things completely outside of politics. They still won’t admit Christianity is false despite all the scientific evidence. Changing one’s views with the observation of reality is far more common on the left…this is reflected in the names progressive and conservative. So yes, it’s far less likely for people to feel regret when republicans are in power even if everything is objectively going badly.

Well, that makes sense - Didn't the Kurt Vonnegut book 'Breakfast of Champions' mention a company (Barrytron Limited) whose business model constantly changed. The ONLY thing they kept hold on for some unexplained reason was their motto 'Goodbye Blue Monday'. Maybe Vonnegut foreshadowed Elon Musk? It doesn't really matter what a business does, as long as one strand allows the public to keep tabs on it?

In that case the business in question went from building automated washing machines to bomb componants to chemical weapons (the last two for the US government).

I guess we will know if Vonnegut was spot-on if Tesla end up as part of the US military...

Tesla has a 400
Million dollar contract to provide the us military with armored cybertrucks

 

[tryptakid]

Tesla has a 400
Million dollar contract to provide the us military with armored cybertrucks

Talk about nightmare fuel

Also, it'll be hilarious when people just pour water on them to divert the invasion.

 

[tryptakid]

Talk about nightmare fuel

Also, it'll be hilarious when people just pour water on them to divert the invasion.

EMP warfare gonna start getting some traction

 

[alasdairm]

Tesla has a 400
Million dollar contract to provide the us military with armored cybertrucks

i'll take "massive conflicts of interest" for 600 alex.

thinking about presidential popularity and country direction polls, i did some reading on other national metrics...

some items:

• US consumer sentiment plunges on tariff fears, inflation expectations jump
• US Consumer Sentiment Drops, Price Expectations Soar on Tariffs
• Consumer Confidence Falls to Lowest Since 2022; Tariff Concerns Mount

but this was all fixed on day 1!

tired of winning yet?

alasdair

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Republican, recession, rinse, repeat

 

[alasdairm]

indeed.

not a little ironically, the u.s. economy has performed much better under democratic presidents than republican presidents in the modern era.

alasdair

 

[4DQSAR]

Tesla has a 400
Million dollar contract to provide the us military with armored cybertrucks

It's not unusual for the US services to test a range of vehicles. It's not as if they haven't tested other (non-military) EVs, primarily for scouting roles where stealth is more important than grunt.

But in a warr zone where fuel has to be brought in? Adding Superchargers would increase the logistics train and make quite tempting targets. Even the shortest charge time giving a 128 mile range still takes 15 minutes so would pose logistics issue to be managed. I PRESUME that 128 miles is based on a steady speed on a proper road. How that would translate to a need relocate as fast as possible from one grid reference to another, I don't know. But Tesla, like any car maker is going to give the most optimistic numbers but unlike a diesel vehicle, you can't just throw another 55 gallon drum of electricity into the back to extend the range.

I PRESUME that the energy would ultimately come from the combustion of hydrocarbons.

The funny thing is that it was only on Saturday that a friend noted that the far-from-realistic 'tug of war' uncovered the fact that Tesla engineers realized people would try it themselves and so if the electric motors detect they are being overstressed, traction-control just drops the power and applies brakes. It's a sensible tweak to prevent people from returning the vehicles with burnt out motors. But it underlines a weakness, So it seems larger pickups can beat the cybertruck, but they are essentially dragging the thing along since the wheels are locked.

The US Army will obviously use realistic tests. Exactly what those tests are depends on what the intended uses of the vehicles are but at the end of the day, towing heavy items will surely be a key metric. I've read that the regenerative braking may need to be modified or optinally disabled because with a heavy trailer, engine braking is important. But I know that the MOST basic test is 'how solderproof is this vehicle?'. While private owners consider wear and tear as it's their own money, troops will tend to use a vehicle in a manner that is most convenient, safest and simplest. If the cybertruck is difficult to maintain, that could be a major problem. It's happened many times before where a great design turned out not to be durable when used 'in anger'. I also wonder what happens if something hits the batteries.

It will be interesting to see if the full, unedited reports from military testing are made public.

 

[chippermonk]

"Musk, who has been cutting thousands of federal workers as the head of Department of Government Efficiency, on Thursday reposted a message on X saying “Hitler didn’t murder millions of people. Public sector employees did.”"

Musk is raising quite a fuhrer

Hey buddy, take it to the joke forum!

 

[helpingout]

Hey buddy, take it to the joke forum!

Should he report to the Oval Office at press briefing?

 

[Electrum1]

I've made it very clear which poll we were discussing. Since you are obviously playing dumb at this point, against my better judgement I looked up the data myself.

The Economist /YouGov Poll does skew slightly toward women
Male . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .48%
Female . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 52%

But, that is more than made up for by the fact that it leans Republican in sampling

Democrat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .31%
Republican . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 33%
Independent . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 26%
Other . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4%

And that the Republicans it sample are mostly MAGA Republicans

Do you identify as a MAGA Republican?Asked of Republicans
Yes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 56%
No . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .36%
Not sure . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8%

And then there's

In general, how would you describe your own political viewpoint?
Very liberal . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12%
Liberal . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .15%
Total Liberal . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 27%
Moderate . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 32%
Conservative . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20%
Very conservative . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11%
Total Conservative . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 32%
Not sure . . . .9%

So, 63% conservative to 54% liberal.

And yet that poll showed 36 percent of respondents saying the country is headed in the right direction and 52 percent saying it is headed in the wrong direction. A pretty convincing result, no?

I don't think any of the sampling data means a huge amount, at least not anymore than you saying the Economist poll was wrong since it sampled more women.

I figured there was a reason you were avoiding the issue.

"The issue" lol. Keep caring as much as you do about things like small variances between polls, because if you are an accurate representation of democrat voters, then I hope you keep it up until at least the midterms in 2026, preferrably longer. That's actually "the issue", you guys not being focused and not having popular policy proposals, while the policies you think are popular are only popular within your PMC in-group bubble, but you guys don't understand that

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Today Trump brought multiple time violent convict for assault and rape, and known coke head and CTE patient Connor mcgreggor to give a press conference and discuss geopolitical issues at the White House.

Connor mcgreggor is a UFC fighter that was convicted of assault of a 70 year old man for punching him in the face for not taking a shot of alcohol. Connor has been convicted of rape and also assaulted multiple alleged rape victims, had their house burned down, kicked a sex assault victim in the gut and she had to swim to shore from his yacht. He was convicted for throwing a dolly through a moving bus window and injuring people.


The guy is pure fucking evil, and Trump and his press secretary roll out the ref carpet for him.

I don’t know why I’m still shocked but I am. This country has no principles and i just think less and less of Americans by the day.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

"The issue" lol. Keep caring as much as you do about things like small variances between polls, because if you are an accurate representation of democrat voters, then I hope you keep it up until at least the midterms in 2026, preferrably longer. That's actually "the issue", you guys not being focused and not having popular policy proposals, while the policies you think are popular are only popular within your PMC in-group bubble, but you guys don't understand that

Lol.
You post a lot of stuff you've been called on.

You seemed to be worried about small variances in numbers yourself. I've said repeatedly that the polls need to be taken as an aggregate and are only really useful for showing trends.