Cravings! Help

[pnillyg]

I’ve been in and out for 7 years…

 

[SuperPsych]

I’ve been in and out for 7 years…

It's worth a shot if you're struggling to stick with sobriety. I've done that in the past. If I had a day of really intense cravings, instead of giving in or sitting there just thinking of using all day I'd tell myself "Just sit through a 12 step meeting for one hour. If I still want to get high after the meeting then I still can if I want to". Might not be good advice but it worked for me every time. I'd be craving insanely bad going into the meeting then after that hour I wouldn't wanna get high anymore. It's a good distraction and of course reminds you how shitty addiction is and can get you motivated towards sobriety. As they say, "Just for today".

 

[Quasimoto]

I'd be craving insanely bad going into the meeting then after that hour I wouldn't wanna get high anymore. It's a good distraction and of course reminds you how shitty addiction is and can get you motivated towards sobriety. As they say, "Just for today".

Sometimes "Just for today" felt too long for me. So I would trick myself and say "just for an hour", and I would sit through a meeting. Then "Just for today" didn't feel so long anymore.

 

[LifeIsWorthIt]

In NA you will find people who have been where you're at and worse, and AA program has real tools for staying away from it. Guarenteed.

 

[pnillyg]

I relapses on oxycodone. Just today. Been opiate free for about 2 months but needed some as my ketamine use got up to a gram per day. I need to make it to Ibogaine treatment but until then my options are benzos and weed or ketamine but it’s destroying my body and making me sit around. Or I have kratom and a buprenorphine prescription. What should I do… I need some help fam

 

[Keif' Richards]

@pnillyg you probably need to remain on maintenance of some kind. You're clearly not doing well with the break away from the Oxycodone. You're taking every other drug under the sun to combat the lack of Opioids when taking a strong maintenance medication like Buprenorphine or Methadone would probably make you 90% sane at the right dose.

I don't understand why you would jump off of 500mg Oxycodone overnight. Why does everyone who decides to get clean have to do it overnight? If you want my advice, I think you need at least some Buprenorphine and more ideally Methadone. I know everyone loves to talk about how evil Methadone is and how "it gets its hooks in ya" when really, those people just didn't want to taper, didn't want to do anything about their situation and then made poor decisions in getting off then they blame the medication. It's just an Opioid.

Get stable. Get your head straight by taking some maintenance drugs. Then you can make an informed decision of what to do next. Right now you're just screaming out to the universe for an answer to your problem that is not going to come. The answer is that you need to go back to square one and do this slowly and correctly. If you need anything dude, you know where to find me.

 

[Jnowhere]

@pnillyg you probably need to remain on maintenance of some kind. You're clearly not doing well with the break away from the Oxycodone. You're taking every other drug under the sun to combat the lack of Opioids when taking a strong maintenance medication like Buprenorphine or Methadone would probably make you 90% sane at the right dose.

I don't understand why you would jump off of 500mg Oxycodone overnight. Why does everyone who decides to get clean have to do it overnight? If you want my advice, I think you need at least some Buprenorphine and more ideally Methadone. I know everyone loves to talk about how evil Methadone is and how "it gets its hooks in ya" when really, those people just didn't want to taper, didn't want to do anything about their situation and then made poor decisions in getting off then they blame the medication. It's just an Opioid.

Get stable. Get your head straight by taking some maintenance drugs. Then you can make an informed decision of what to do next. Right now you're just screaming out to the universe for an answer to your problem that is not going to come. The answer is that you need to go back to square one and do this slowly and correctly. If you need anything dude, you know where to find me.

Too bad there is no sourcing allowed( seriously I am only curious with the opiod laws today); about how one obtains 500mg a day of Oxycodone. Also( Keif) you are so right about the overnight part.

I have not only heard about this. I decided after over six years of 24/7 Morphine er and daily 3x2mg Ativan(lorazepam)use, both prescribed legally, to quit. I realized that the severe pancreas pain I had was gone; so I decided stop one of the opiods I was on and a strongish benzo one day.

I fought the misery until I could barely breathe and I thought I was going to die. I chewed up a morphine er, 2(2mg) Ativans and 2 extra oxy's. The seconds seemed like minutes and the minutes were like hours until I was ok. Big stupid mistake.

 

[Keif' Richards]

I'm pretty sure @pnillyg is a high-ranking member of the Sackler family, which would explain the copious quantities of Oxycodone.

 

[pnillyg]

I'm pretty sure @pnillyg is a high-ranking member of the Sackler family, which would explain the copious quantities of Oxycodone.

I wish but you’re onto something …

So update is I’ve been using 10-20mg oxy 8%of days for 10 days… definitely going to have minor withdrawals at least. I usually take 300mg-1g of sublingual ketamine a day (yes prescribed) but I’ve been having problems (gallbladder inflammation and most recently my urine turned oink yesterday after reviving an IV of NAD and other supplements and vitamins etc.) it usually turns super yellow but it was the color of b12 this time. I’m worried my bladder could be eroding or bleeding in the way it inevitably happens to most ketamine users. The catch 22 is I started using the jet to withdrawl off of kratom and now I’m back on opiates so will probably need little amounts of kratom to come off the oxy again and this time I should probably not continue with the ketamine as I believe it’s doing damage. It’s wild how damaging the ketamine is but it’s not supeising as I was indeed informed. I’m not looking for a fix or an answer just the advice of the BLers. Start work in 2 weeks. What would you do? Pick up kratom? Taper with bupe? Continue with ketamine and drop the others? Any and all advice is appreciated.

 

[Keif' Richards]

I'm on my phone so please forgive my brevity and poor formatting.

You've definitely gotta bring up the urinary issues with the doc prescribing the Ketamine. I'm familiar with the injuries that cam arise from chronic Ketamine usage. That's not something you want to be dealing with.

Opioid dependence is essentially temporary and elastic. You can pretty much to back to from where you started given enough time and abstinence. A ruptured bladder will not fix itself.

I would tackle the Ketamine first for that reason.

 

[pnillyg]

I'm on my phone so please forgive my brevity and poor formatting.

You've definitely gotta bring up the urinary issues with the doc prescribing the Ketamine. I'm familiar with the injuries that cam arise from chronic Ketamine usage. That's not something you want to be dealing with.

Opioid dependence is essentially temporary and elastic. You can pretty much to back to from where you started given enough time and abstinence. A ruptured bladder will not fix itself.

I would tackle the Ketamine first for that reason.

I totally agree. Unfotunately the less they knows about the negative effects regarding the medications im perscribed the more lenient they are with the prescriptions so for now im back on kratom and senssation of ketamine has started. 2 days so far in. Pink urine has stopped as well. I believe i can bounce back. I do have to use the restroom quite a bit though granted i drink gallons of water daily.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Long range jogging is the only thing that effectively replaces opioids for me.

and there is clear science behind it... you need to reset your endogenous opioid pathways, the natural reward system.

GABAergic drugs will coddle you through the process but they do not help rewire your reward system.

Exercise is the perfect, and intended, method of opioid reward.

Running several miles or working out in the gym for several hours during opioid withdrawal is the last thing you want to do, but it fixes your brain 10x faster than not doing it. Such activity directly reduces opioid withdrawal symptoms, which is fairly unique as far as drug dependence goes... most can't be reduced unless through other drugs...

Hard garden work or something a like in situations of WD.
Not the hardest where your incapacitated, but the more moderate phase.

Gets me through hours in no time, don t forget to at least have food and fluids.
In you, don t go excersizing after hardly eating/ drinking a few days.
Or you meet 'The Man and the Hammer/ and start slow.

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

Hey yall. Not sure if you have seen my posts or not but I have tried just about everything for cravings in the past so I know how it goes. Cravings are through the roof and can’t sleep. My body hurts and I got no energy to do anything good for myself. Been using comfort meds for the last 2 weeks since I jumped off of 500mg Oxy daily, I’ve keen on MAT which worked but was hell getting off. I’ve don’t Iboga and Ibogaine which actually works for the cravings part but is a hell of a process. And these comfort meds have got to come to and end or there won’t be one (gabapentin, clonidine, diazepam, Clonazepam, hydroxazine, lunesta, ambien) you know the drill… anyways. I know just living healthy which I’m trying to do is good I just have no energy to do so. I may try Adderal since my doc gave me some for my lethargy but if yall have any advice please and all is welcome. I heard addy can be a slippery slope. Also think I’m having minor gabapentin/bzo withdrawal after these last two weeks

Yeah I think i remember you posting about having the ability to get adderall perscribed like your adhd. I would recommend taking it. When you get the cravings really bad you need too get all your attention onto something. Like reading a book you could read the NA book that's what my old sponsor would do for me when i was freaking out. Program something or build something. Something that really requires your full attention. Drawing or editing pictures
Running and lifting weights is good too. When your running your more focused on not dying than anything else. Physical exercise will also help you recover from your opiate withdrawals faster. Reach out to people if you really feel like your going down and about to run out and cop or something. Stay safe.

 

[Keif' Richards]

@TheGyattDamnRizzler I don't want to hijack the thread or anything. However, I do think we'd be missing an opportunity not to touch on the link between ADHD-spectrum disorders and substance addiction or even addiction in general. I never gave this too much thought until I was experiencing the difference myself.

I always had an issue with compulsive behavior from the time I was in first grade until now. I was running wild. That all developed into a heavy Opiate addiction. In recovery, I ended up trying a stimulant again (therapeutically) for the first time since I was in High School. I am amazed by how my cravings are affected by my ADHD. Since starting the stimulant, my thought process has become much less disordered.

What this presents as, is me thinking through the entirety of a choice prior to making it. Instead of my thoughts swirling around in chaos while I'm stuck in indecision, I am able to lay things out in a linear fashion. When we're talking about drugs, an honest appraisal of the cause and effect of me, say, drinking Alcohol, makes it very difficult tot actually do it, as I know what will happen. Without the stimulant, the decision would be made as I'd only be considering the positive aspects of my past experience.

I just thought it was something that deserved a mention. I'm a believer in the phenomenon of ADHD leading to addictive behaviors.

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

@TheGyattDamnRizzler I don't want to hijack the thread or anything. However, I do think we'd be missing an opportunity not to touch on the link between ADHD-spectrum disorders and substance addiction or even addiction in general. I never gave this too much thought until I was experiencing the difference myself.

I always had an issue with compulsive behavior from the time I was in first grade until now. I was running wild. That all developed into a heavy Opiate addiction. In recovery, I ended up trying a stimulant again (therapeutically) for the first time since I was in High School. I am amazed by how my cravings are affected by my ADHD. Since starting the stimulant, my thought process has become much less disordered.

What this presents as, is me thinking through the entirety of a choice prior to making it. Instead of my thoughts swirling around in chaos while I'm stuck in indecision, I am able to lay things out in a linear fashion. When we're talking about drugs, an honest appraisal of the cause and effect of me, say, drinking Alcohol, makes it very difficult tot actually do it, as I know what will happen. Without the stimulant, the decision would be made as I'd only be considering the positive aspects of my past experience.

I just thought it was something that deserved a mention. I'm a believer in the phenomenon of ADHD leading to addictive behaviors.

Yes bro it is totally true. If you are diagnosed adhd and the medication makes you calm and kind of robotic but functional. It takes away all your cravings and negative emotions. It also can take away your opiate withdrawals if you are having them. I know it's not ideal and I don't want to promote Amphetamine, it does have legitimate medical use though and Is the answer for alot of people that struggle with adhd. I feel like I would have gotten to live a normal life if I was diagnosed as a child man.

 

[pnillyg]

Yes bro it is totally true. If you are diagnosed adhd and the medication makes you calm and kind of robotic but functional. It takes away all your cravings and negative emotions. It also can take away your opiate withdrawals if you are having them. I know it's not ideal and I don't want to promote Amphetamine, it does have legitimate medical use though and Is the answer for alot of people that struggle with adhd. I feel like I would have gotten to live a normal life if I was diagnosed as a child man.

I believe most of my issues stem from untreated ADHD and possibly autism. I need to explore amphetamines as in prescribed then I just don’t take them because I’m used to running as opposed to locking in…

My current opioid tolerance it’s incredibly low so definitely something to explore.

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

I believe most of my issues stem from untreated ADHD and possibly autism. I need to explore amphetamines as in prescribed then I just don’t take them because I’m used to running as opposed to locking in…

My current opioid tolerance it’s incredibly low so definitely something to explore.

Yeah definitely get into it. Go slow, try to take your most effective dose once. You may need a booster perscribed in the afternoon a year or so down the line. It will help you get up and do stuff. I know the spiral of sitting around doing nothing while thinking of a million things.

I also wanted to add sense i do use ice still don't get into that it will over take your heroin addiction and lead you into another spiral. Only use perscribed medication and go live your life. I don't want to seem like a false prophet or anything, that's just how I would go if I wanted full control over my life.

 

[pnillyg]

Yeah definitely get into it. Go slow, try to take your most effective dose once. You may need a booster perscribed in the afternoon a year or so down the line. It will help you get up and do stuff. I know the spiral of sitting around doing nothing while thinking of a million things.

I also wanted to add sense i do use ice still don't get into that it will over take your heroin addiction and lead you into another spiral. Only use perscribed medication and go live your life. I don't want to seem like a false prophet or anything, that's just how I would go if I wanted full control over my life.

I have 5mg xr and 10mg IR, what would you suggest? I have fucked sleep so ideally don’t wanna make it worse. Usually take lunesta or at least hydroxazine around 9/10pm

 

[emkee_reinvented]

What amount of dxm and what would the effects be? Same question for acid? Don’t wanna trip all day but i know LSD and shrooms can both be stimulating in micro doses… recently found i love dextroamphetamine and have always loved cannabis

Att your not base-line yet right, from Opioid s, and maybe the comfort med s ?
Meaning off and past worst PAWS. I only know Kratom and it has very little PAWS.
Sounds cuter then it is [paws/ ]

Besides the DXM, no idea if that could/ not help, maybe someone can chime in.
i d stall starting dextro-Amphetamine assuming Kratom and harder Opioid s.
Are a different world. But a morning dose will get you out a catatonic state.

During my Kratom WD s it d take em, less then prescribed.
Now i am having em everymorning/ midday for ADHD. But its actually to curb Catatonic morning s. despite being on any Opioid s. So they are imo OK.
As far as stim s go. Micro-dosing psychedelic s, i d hold of a bit longer.

But would i micro-dose, not. Better a 100 mcg. 1p-LSD dose once,
in the blue moon. Tryptamine s i can t handle during, torture.
But the post experience after anti depressant effect are great.
Greater the Lysergic s ime.

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

Thats weird they should make the extended 10 and the tab 5. Honestly man how do you react to the 10mgs? I feel 5mg xr is not going to do much for you.

My routine is take an xr when I wake up. Then in afternoon (preferably around noon or 1) take a tab. Then take like hydroxozine or anti depressant around 11 or midnight and you will sleep.

You will have to work with tolerance and talk to your psychiatrist about how the meds are working for you and if you need to up the doses.

Also on the weekends you can take breaks. I do this to get better sleep and help the meds work a little better.