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Taking drugs forever or a youthful phase?

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Ismene2

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Do you see yourself tripping into old age? the wheelchair, adult diaper years? Or do you see drugs as a youthful phase you "grow out of"?

Do tell.
 
I will definitely be taking drugs forever, barring health problems, but I'll probably use them less when I'm older and have a family.
 
Good question, I'm really not sure at this point, but I do plan to not be dependent on anything by that stage.

Of course in many ways drugs can reduce a person's life expectancy, or negatively affect quality of life on physical or mental health, indirectly or directly - although things like LSD dont have any effects on physical health, AFAIK.

So, many drug users wont necessarily make it to a very old age. Probably more likely not to, as a whole. There's probably been studies done on this, but I haven't looked tbh.

Famously, even Keith Richards has given up everything by this point, he's 81 now I believe, and I forget the exact decades but it was something like he gave up heroin in his 50s, drinking in his 60s, and smoking in his 70s. Everything may have been one decade later or earlier, I cant remember where I heard him talking about this in an interview to check.

Peter Perret of The Only Ones after decades of heroin and crack, is now 72 years old, and his health seems to have improved. I assume he's given up his vices by now.

Also John Cooper Clarke has also given up all drugs some time ago, also after decades of use of heroin, and now seems in good health at 76 years old.

I know these are all public figures, but I don't know of any old (and by that I mean pension age) people IRL or on line who continue doing drugs. There was one old guy at a drugs recovery place I used to go to, and he was embarrassing tbh, addicted to drugs and acting up like a child at 70 something years old, wouldnt really be a position I'd aspire to be in by that age. (If I make it that long.)

I think it's a bit like severly obese people. You just dont see any of them make it to old age. Presumably they've either had to lose weight, or they've died early.

I know of an example of this that is very close to home. My Grandmother was a large woman and she was a drinker. Her drinking peaked after my Grandad died. After a few months of really heavy drinking she gave drink up completely. And lost a lot of weight. She was no longer over weight. She lived to be 95 years old, IIRC.
 
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Ismene2 said:
Do you see yourself tripping into old age? the wheelchair, adult diaper years? Or do you see drugs as a youthful phase you "grow out of"?

Do tell.
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Yeah the older i get the more gentle Lysergic s seem to treat me.
Lysergics only, not apply-able to Phentehylamine s or Tryptamines.
Though Mescaline might be the exception to the rule ?
Still gonna find out, San Pedro is legal still so.
Same for Cannabis, a vape now and then at 70 + 🤙

By the time i am 70 i expect em to feel as pure ecstasy.
Might be wrong, we will see if they are easy available att.
in 20 years. At that age getting them might become a problem.
Walking getting harder, maybe Korsakov and/ or Alzheimer.

Then again a A/ B extraction of the Cactus,
would stimulate Neuroplasticity. Never did one !
 
I feel like I’m energetically a permanent young adult. I never really felt like a child (at least from age 2.5 on), and I don’t think I’ll ever feel old - I certainly don’t feel middle-aged. Most of my drug experience was during an experimental phase that spanned 3 years, and I think it’s best to do that when you’re a young adult and you’re more resilient. I don’t anticipate ever getting to a point where I’ll stop using all recreational drugs, but since my experimental phase, my use has been very rare, about once every few years, and I doubt it will ever become more frequent or that I’ll ever go through another experimental phase.

But, if I was told that I could never use drugs recreationally again, I wouldn’t care much. I’ve tried almost everything I’ve wanted to, and most of the things I still want to try aren’t even recreational. If I was told I could never use anything therapeutically again, I’d be quite concerned though!
 
I find that as I get older I do fewer drugs, and the drugs that I do aren't as "crazy". Before I had a family and kids I would happily shoot fentanyl and smoke crack. Whatever I could get my hands on was fair game. I was taking upwards of 100 mg of clonozolam a day, I blacked out for months.

Now, I don't do anything with needles, and I avoid most "street" drugs. I take kratom, 7-hydroxymitragynine sometimes, smoke weed, maybe the occasional benzo or bit of ketamine. If someone offered me a bump of coke, I'd probably do it, but I wouldn't buy a bag. Street opiates are a solid hell no, but I got some pain pills from surgery a while back, and guzzled down the last 4-5 a few weeks later. When I'm tired I drink caffeine or take an ephedrine tablet. It's nowhere near as fun as speedballing, but it works, and my kids won't find my dead in the bathroom because I drank too much coffee.

I still genuinely enjoy drugs, but the risk is just too high for the reward to be worth it anymore.
 
Ismene2 said:
But trying to choke down that magic cactus snot could put you off
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A/B extraction done right, maybe some Acetone [?] washes after to purify.
That should produce crystals, so the nausea will be from the Mescaline.
Well it sounds easy, but you have loads of free time. To perfect the procedure.

If all goes right, i am geriatric by that time. So it kinda depends.
 
Chickens said:
my kids won't find my dead in the bathroom because I drank too much coffee.
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Don't speak too soon. When I was 16 I ate almost an entire cup of coffee beans and starting having serious chest pains, heart palpitations, started profusely vomitting and was pale,numb, and sweaty for almost an hour afterwards. It CAN happen to you. Caffeine, not even once.
 
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cycloprop said:
Don't speak too soon. When I was 16 I ate almost an entire cup of coffee beans and starting having serious chest pains, heart palpitations, started profusely vomitting and was pale,numb, and sweaty for almost an hour afterwards. It CAN happen to you. Caffeine, not even once.
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Fair enough. When I was in high school I read the Erowid vault on caffeine, took a handful of caffeine pills, and threw up a whole bunch. It was horrible, dumb kid shit. I stick to a large coffee at most now. Not great for my heart, but neither was taking big fat shots of crack all day. The crack was more fun though.
 
Already stopped. Might get back into vaping weed and some psychedelics when I'm retired.
 
I would prefer to be high when I'm old I guess. Especially if I go to a retirement home. I hope I get a daily benzo prescribed, and that I still know where to get some weed, acid & opioids.
Now (I'm 40) I try to be as responsible as possible. I was on a binge from my 21 till 37. Now my dad has Alzheimer and I'm my parents only son. It's not the main reason I sobered up, but it helps me to keep cleanish. My mom needs all the support she can get with dealing with my dad's disease.
But I always imagined making a big stash and hide it for my old age :cool:
 
Bleaney said:
Good question, I'm really not sure at this point, but I do plan to not be dependent on anything by that stage.
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It is usually the opposite, as we age our medicine cabinets become more stocked because we are chemical machines. I do have that vision of total clarity one day without anything. That sounds nice, but our bodies tell us different. But making peace with that fact is the only answer. And I do see a lot of us make peace with our use. When I was younger I always thought one day I won't be on anything. Yeah right.

I will trip till I die. But here is the thing. As I age my nervous system gets more complex. When I was in my teens and early 20's I could eat hit after hit of LSD and go to work or a family function. 40 years later I need to plan better. My nervous system is so wound up these days that a phone ringing while on LSD would cause PTSD for me. So I pick my days and turn phone off. I still do it on occasion. Mushrooms in particular as they last shorter. But I always said I will always work towards tripping for life.

In will say this. One day I will be off all opioids. Spent my life on heroin, methadone, poppy tea and kratom. I am much healthier these days because of kratom and how I use it. But I want off and one day say yay, just went a year without any opioid. I am almost embarrassed over that fact. Hell, like some Bleaney said even Keith Richards seems off opioids. Yes I am embarrassed. But one day.

No issues with stimulants, dissociatives or benzos. Pretty much a naive brain with those. (took meth once, a spec in 1988 LA, called crystal meth at that point, the rest that was given to me by a neighbor I gave back to him, I like sleep!) Just opiates. And I use psychedelics to keep my channels open.
 
Oh god I hope I’ll never do drugs again.

Psychedelics became repitstive and never actually felt good to me; they were just interesting way to escape how mundane reality is. I stopped them around 10 years ago because they weren’t what I was seeking, they were uncomfortable and chaotic- what I was seeking was the peace that downers bring.

Any hard drug or drug that causes dependency is a nightmare to be on long term and will destroy aspects of your health after a long time…making life even more miserable.

Weed I’m just far too addicted to to the point that there is zero control likes it’s crack and it derails my life and has damaged my lungs. But I don’t even like the weed high because it’s not relaxing like a downer - again just an escape from mundane reality
 
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