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Heroin "It's so good you only have to take it once"

TheUltimateFixx said:
@Ismene2
I was one of those people this interminable cliché is built on - my first hit was a fantastic experience, I thought 'this is the greatest shit on the planet' and I was pretty much mentally 'hooked' on the spot.
And I think that in fact generalising that kind of reaction is RUBBISH, inaccurate, does nothing but help turn users into addicts, and this myth-making about heroin needs to die.
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QFT!

I managed over a decade of 'recreational' use before it became a problem. But that was purely down to circumstances. I couldn't get it easily and had to rely upon notoriously unreliable people.

As soon as I found my own connection, I was fucked.

Looking back on it, I was addicted from the very first hit. I wanted it all of the time, but luckily it wasn't there.

The important thing is to understand the difference between addiction and dependence. It took me a long time to get my head around this, but it's really simple - addiction is the intense desire to repeat an activity that is pleasurable, can be applied to any activity and is largely psychological. Whereas dependence is the next phase, characterised by a physical inability to stop, even when no longer pleasurable.

So in short, instant addiction is entirely possible, but dependence takes time as it requires changes to the body, not just the brain.


Unfortunately, the two terms are often used interchangeably, which leads to this confusion.

That's my take on it anyway... :\
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
QFT!

I managed over a decade of 'recreational' use before it became a problem. But that was purely down to circumstances. I couldn't get it easily and had to rely upon notoriously unreliable people.

As soon as I found my own connection, I was fucked.

Looking back on it, I was addicted from the very first hit. I wanted it all of the time, but luckily it wasn't there.

The important thing is to understand the difference between addiction and dependence. It took me a long time to get my head around this, but it's really simple - addiction is the intense desire to repeat an activity that is pleasurable, can be applied to any activity and is largely psychological. Whereas dependence is the next phase, characterised by a physical inability to stop, even when no longer pleasurable.

So in short, instant addiction is entirely possible, but dependence takes time as it requires changes to the body, not just the brain.


Unfortunately, the two terms are often used interchangeably, which leads to this confusion.

That's my take on it anyway... :\
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And you are entirely correct. Plenty of drugs do not cause physical dependence, and yet people use them 'addictively'. On the other hand large numbers of chronic pain patients on high doses of morphine etc are most certainly dependent, but in no way addicted, since they are not looking to the drug for mood alteration but simply pain relief.
 
Bleaney said:
Good to see you back @Zopiclone bandit! I'm still interested as to whether you got your Wedinos test sent off, and if they ever published the results.
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I sadly smoked the lot of it, I 100% wanted to test some but when I woke up sick I smoked the 1/4th of a bag with the Tooter.
 
Legitjohn said:
I'm from Montreal and before the fentanyl came we would get killer heroin straight from India and China. Like the first time I did a hit I felt as if God had come down and given me a hug. Even the fentanyl is really good quality. I just had a batch that when smoked smelt and tasted exactly like the patches when I used to smoke em.
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I know someone from Vancouver, East Hastings by The Chinatown area ;)

I just read your post, it made me smile so much as that is the voice of Truth & Experience.
A good friend was getting the same pain patches when in Jail & did 100% the same as what you got upto.


No Maple Syrup for sale here.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
I sadly smoked the lot of it, I 100% wanted to test some but when I woke up sick I smoked the 1/4th of a bag with the Tooter.
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That's completely understandable.

I guess one way to get round that would be to have the form and envelope etc all ready to go, before the next time you get a bag, and send off your sample immediately, before you even start using it.

Much easier said than done I know!!

It's hard enough to organise with substances like benzos, which I usually have a little stockpile of, just for personal use. But If I only had enough to last me a day or 2, there's no way I'd be sending anything off!
 
I've tried it 4 or 5 times and (thankfully) it's never really done much for me.

Only time I found it enjoyable was when I sprinkled a bit into my pipe alongside with some white, which felt so nice that I knew it was something not to be repeated
 
To add, as I'm sure has been said here before, opioids kill pain, psychedelics heal old pain, but can exacerbate ongoing pain. So if you're in pain the choice is obvious.
 
It's so shit I spent over 40 mins this morning going through all the old bag wraps trying to scrape a few lines together from a few mcg's of powder left in each one. What I managed to get on the foil tasted so good it beats the best quality Latte from the most Posh Coffee shop you ever been to.

Go Figure folks........
 
I'm in my mid 50s and first tried H in my teens.

Since then I use it maybe once every couple of years. But only ever when pharmaceutical ampoules of diamorphine are available. I loathe needles but since it comes as 'dry amps' i.e. diamorphine hydrochloride powder, I snort it. That way I know what it is and how much I have consumed.

I just don't find it THAT great. Maybe my age is part of it. As a teen I had dodgy friends who got hole of Palfium, Diconal and other rare opioids which come in the form of tablets. But even then, unless the tablet was in a sealed patient pack (blister pack), I wouldn't trust them.

I guess having known users who died from a young age made me cautious. Sometime, very occasionally, H is exactly what I want, but I have had amps I've left in a bedroom drawer for months or even years.

I DO dee the trap. If you have troubles, nothing will stop your anguish better than opioids, but chasing that first high is pointless.

I might add that I generally don't gouch out. In fact most opioids activate me. So I would use a few amps, go shopping, clean my home and so on. So maybe they don't have quite the same effect on me as they do on most others.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
It's so shit I spent over 40 mins this morning going through all the old bag wraps trying to scrape a few lines together from a few mcg's of powder left in each one. What I managed to get on the foil tasted so good it beats the best quality Latte from the most Posh Coffee shop you ever been to.

Go Figure folks........
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Yep, been there more times than I can recall. I used to put all my baggies into an empty prescription pill bottle and then I'd run out of cash I'd empty them out and would get a suprising amount out of them (5 long lines once) plus you'd have the tinfoil tooter with massive build-up too and each of them would definitely get you through a day rainly day.
 
endlessnameless said:
Yep, been there more times than I can recall. I used to put all my baggies into an empty prescription pill bottle and then I'd run out of cash I'd empty them out and would get a suprising amount out of them (5 long lines once) plus you'd have the tinfoil tooter with massive build-up too and each of them would definitely get you through a day rainly day.
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What's the Irish heroin scene like?
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
What's the Irish heroin scene like?
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I dont know if I'm qualified to say to be honest as I'm not as in touch with it to the extent that I would have been when I first came onto bluelight. I know that where there once was quite an active open market in the city center, that then disappeared for a few years and so that then drove me to score locally and in the villages bordering the city center. It may well have picked back up as regards being able to cold score more centrally however I feel my information in respect to that area of the scene is out of date.

I can also only speak for Dublin, and being a citizen of Dublin I can tell you that the city is not what it used to be on a number of levels. I'll keep statistics (because I don't trust them) and politics (a gargantuan hole of unending retort and a magnet for the argumentative) out of it, but in the passed 2-3 years I dont feel safe in this city. When it comes to scoring anything, if its not from a regular Irish source I will not risk it as I could be risking my life.

Interestingly enough, I came across an article recently that announced the opening of a safe injection facilities in Dublin City Centre itself which, if the open air market hadn't picked back up already, could bring one alone with it.

If you have any more specific questions I can do my best to answer them for you. Where are you based @Zopiclone bandit ?
 
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OT many years ago someone I knew went on holiday to the Shetland Islands. They suffered some minor medical mishap and had to go to the local GP. All around the waiting room were HR posters and instead of the usual selection of old magazines were HR booklets.

It seems that if there are buyers, there will always be people willing to sell.

I mention this because that was 25 years ago and it seems H is still a problem in the islands.

Heroin death exposes Shetland drugs blight

abc-independentnews.co.uk abc-independentnews.co.uk

IF fentanyl is as cheap as I read, prohibition isn't going to work. As I've pointed out, it's not as if other uncontrolled scaffolds aren't known so even if fentanyl precursors are ever controlled, another set of precursors will replace them for different opioids until you end up with hundreds or even thousands of 'watched chemicals' and when you have that many, enforcement becomes impractical.
 
When I got into strong full agonists I definitely used them only occasionally, maybe once every two months or so, and this didn't change with heroin compared to earlier experiences with oxycodone or morphine. Although heroin was better, and became the drug of choice for this particular purpose.

It only got addictive for me when circumstances in my life were such that heroin was the perfect emotional anesthetic. That's when I started shooting it too.
 
Psychonauticunt said:
It only got addictive for me when circumstances in my life were such that heroin was the perfect emotional anesthetic. That's when I started shooting it too.
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ABSO-BLOODY-LUTELY THIS!!

... it drives me up the walls whenever people talk about heroin like it's this inherently 'bad' drug that's somehow extra super special addictive, and fundamentally more 'tempting' and different from, and worse than all other drugs. Like it's evil magic to inevitably ensnare whoever touches it or something.

It IS incredibly seductive IF you're one of those individuals whose brain chemistry meshes well with it. But that's true for any drug. Whatever seems like it gives you what you feel you require, you stand in danger of getting addicted to that thing. If you want fireworks in your head or feel like a god on earth, heroin will be distinctly underwhelming. If you yearn for the ultimate escape from pain or emptiness, it's a different matter.
 
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In a decade long UK study less than 1% of people who tried H went on to become habitual users.

It strikes me that opium would be a reasonable middle-ground. It's impossible to overdose by smoking opium. Intentionally eating large quantities can have fatal outcomes but I don't see the suicide rate increasing because opium is available. Many options exist and at least with opium, a specific treatment is available.

If it's legal and licenced, the purity and potency can be assured, taxation can be undertaken and minors cannot readily access the drug.

It's worth noting that in nations such as India there exists groups who produce opium on a subsistence basis. It's simply the case that legal control makes studying the safety profile of opium a difficult endeavour.

Anyone else conclude that politicians see more votes in the increase in legal controls than in the relaxation of legal controls?
 
3DQSAR said:
In a decade long UK study less than 1% of people who tried H went on to become habitual users.

It strikes me that opium would be a reasonable middle-ground. It's impossible to overdose by smoking opium. Intentionally eating large quantities can have fatal outcomes but I don't see the suicide rate increasing because opium is available. Many options exist and at least with opium, a specific treatment is available.

If it's legal and licenced, the purity and potency can be assured, taxation can be undertaken and minors cannot readily access the drug.

It's worth noting that in nations such as India there exists groups who produce opium on a subsistence basis. It's simply the case that legal control makes studying the safety profile of opium a difficult endeavour.

Anyone else conclude that politicians see more votes in the increase in legal controls than in the relaxation of legal controls?
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Agree, except for you CAN overdose with opium.
I know because I have.

But it's usually more the case with oral consumption or poppy pod tea, where gauging the potency accurately is impossible.
With smoking you can at least titrate and stop whenever you feel like it gets too much.
 
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