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US Politics the 2025 trump presidency thread

alasdairm said:
i think there's some truth in that.

sad, then, when i read on this website, paraphrasing of course: "we're all pawns. they want us to fight each other so we're distracted by what's really going on. oh, and you and your libtard friends are the fucking worst."

:)

alasdair
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Worthless rhetoric uttered because it's always easier to punch low, especially when the cops are on your side.
 
alasdairm said:
so much to unpack on the first day... but here is a low-hanging fruit.

trump signed an executive order trying to end birthright citizenship.

the right of birthright citizenship is enshrined in the 14th amendment.

alasdair
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Exceptions to 14th which I’m POSITIVE you glossed over:
“Among the categories of individuals born in the United States and not subject to the jurisdiction thereof, the privilege of United States citizenship does not automatically extend to persons born in the United States: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States at the time of said person’s birth was lawful but temporary (such as, but not limited to, visiting the United States under the auspices of the Visa Waiver Program or visiting on a student, work, or tourist visa) and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.”

ILLEGALS do not count. YOU ARE THE LOW HANGING FRUIT.
 
joesmyname said:
Exceptions to 14th which I’m POSITIVE you glossed over:
“Among the categories of individuals born in the United States and not subject to the jurisdiction thereof, the privilege of United States citizenship does not automatically extend to persons born in the United States: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States at the time of said person’s birth was lawful but temporary (such as, but not limited to, visiting the United States under the auspices of the Visa Waiver Program or visiting on a student, work, or tourist visa) and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.”

ILLEGALS do not count. YOU ARE THE LOW HANGING FRUIT.
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Please cite the source for your quote.

Edited to add: Never mind. I looked it up. It's from Trump's executive order.
C'mon, dude.
 
United States v. Wong Kim Ark.

Wong Kim Ark was born in San Francisco in 1873 to Chinese parents living in the U.S. His parents were not U.S. citizens and returned to China in 1890. After a trip to China to visit his parents in 1895, Wong Kim Ark was denied re-entry into the United States and told he was not a U.S. citizen.

In 1898, the Supreme Court ruled that he was, in fact, a U.S. citizen under the “clear words and manifest intent” of the 14th Amendment.

“Citizenship by birth is established by the mere fact of birth under the circumstances defined in the Constitution,” the majority wrote. “Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization.”

The court also clarified who is “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States: “Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States.” The only exceptions, the court ruled, were foreign nationals in the U.S. in a diplomatic capacity, and those born to non-citizens in U.S. territories under hostile control.
 
joesmyname said:
Exceptions to 14th which I’m POSITIVE you glossed over:
“Among the categories of individuals born in the United States and not subject to the jurisdiction thereof, the privilege of United States citizenship does not automatically extend to persons born in the United States: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States at the time of said person’s birth was lawful but temporary (such as, but not limited to, visiting the United States under the auspices of the Visa Waiver Program or visiting on a student, work, or tourist visa) and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.”

ILLEGALS do not count. YOU ARE THE LOW HANGING FRUIT.
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This may be what Trump has ordered, but it goes against the constitution:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
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This has been affirmed by Supreme Court decisions on a number of times. Also, children are human beings just like you are. No one wants to be called illegal, or low hanging fruit - especially not a child whose only crime is being born on one side of an imaginary line.

A little humor if you will:

Elon Musk, @joesmyname, and an undocumented immigrant are sitting at a picnic table. 100 cookies are dropped off at the table. Elon takes 99 of those cookies and then looks at @joesmyname and says "Look, that immigrant is trying to take your cookie".
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jurisdiction​

[ joor-is-dik-shuhn ]​

noun

1. the right, power, or authority to administer justice by hearing and determining controversies.
2. power; authority; control

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If the United States does not have jurisdiction over the child born in America or the parents, then how can they deport them?
It's peter logic.
 
joesmyname said:
Exceptions to 14th which I’m POSITIVE you glossed over:
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i'm familiar with the full text of the 14th amendment and i have no idea where what you wrote about exceptions comes from. it does not appear anywhere in the amendments (or, indeed, the constitution).

joesmyname said:
YOU ARE THE LOW HANGING FRUIT
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no need for insults. civil discourse appreciated.

alasdair
 
Jnowhere said:
I value our constitution and when I see it being eroded in the name of safety and unity and whatever other bullshit they come up with I just thank am very thankful for the first 10 ammendments of United States Constitution. When I see them being eroded, I just hope hope and pray that there will a very permanent end to this bullshit.
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indeed.

we differ on many things but you'll surely join me in condemning trump's attempt to erode the 14th amendment to the constitution?

alasdair
 
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alasdairm said:
i'm familiar with the full text of the 14th amendment and i have no idea where what you wrote about exceptions comes from. it does not appear anywhere in the amendments (or, indeed, the constitution).

alasdair
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He quoted Trump's executive order. Then refused to cite his quote. The good old, "Do your own research."
 
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