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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Is purity a real concern?

nonames99

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Tests for drugs are not available where i live and im worried i might get in trouble with the law if i order test strips online. Whats the risk if i take a pill/tab sold as ecstasy/lsd which i know for a fact that causes the desired effects of mdma/lsd but have no idea whats really in it?
I mean does it matter what the pill/tab is made of as long as it just gives the effects of mdma/lsd ?
Whats the worst that could happen if it’s something completely different but still gives the same effects pretty much?
 
Lol, it could be neurotoxic and you could end up with neurological issues ranging from minor twitches to death.

That's the worst that could happen, but as you said: you are too scared to look after your health due to the laws where you live. Understandable, but who is charging people with possession of paraphernalia for test strips/reagents? I've never heard of this happening (not that it doesn't its just vary rare, and even more rare is these things being discovered in someone's mail unless being sent from outside of the EU or something.)
 
ehh... i don't know how common it is for people to put just straight up bad filler in drugs that isn't something like fentanyl.. like i know people say people sprayed weed with bug spray and people put all sorts of shit in E, there was rat poison on tabs, ect... i don't know how common this stuff is or actually was...

there has been some findings of fentanyl in mdma, coke, pressed adderall, stuff you wouldn't really expect people to be putting a downer in... i think most people are gonna notice the fentanyl, but it could be a low dose and the other drugs in it just make you feel good... i don't know. i personally don't mess with drugs like that. i don't even do coke and most of the stuff that's cut with in my area wasn't really bad for a person, it was just filler.... also on the opposite end of fent, i think people put amphetamine in stuff like coke or mdma. speed laced mdma was really common in my area for a while.. something a lot of people wouldn't want to take.. you can definitely test for fet or amps in mdma pills.. i don't know testing that well, maybe you can get some more advice on this too.

honestly though, taking lsd paper is probably the safest. like if it's something bad you don't want, it's going to most often taste bitter.. you could get lsd analogues on the paper, but those are all really similar.. there might be like DOB or whatever that used to be around on paper, but that's not really common, and probably just going to be a longer trip. if that even fits on paper? i think most people were just worried for a few years about getting NBOME as lsd... most lsd is legit or an analogue.. the only problem with tabs is they are not always dosed what a person thinks they are going to be.
 
Lol, it could be neurotoxic and you could end up with neurological issues ranging from minor twitches to death.

That's the worst that could happen, but as you said: you are too scared to look after your health due to the laws where you live. Understandable, but who is charging people with possession of paraphernalia for test strips/reagents? I've never heard of this happening (not that it doesn't its just vary rare, and even more rare is these things being discovered in someone's mail unless being sent from outside of the EU or something.)
I just thought it would be ok because i see the people that have taken the pill and tablet i intend to take are fine even after months of taking em.
But your comment is making me reconsider 😂
Even if i risk it and order the test strips, how can i make sure to cover all the substances the pill may contain i mean there could be anything. I would need a million reagents, right?
 
I just thought it would be ok because i see the people that have taken the pill and tablet i intend to take are fine even after months of taking em.
But your comment is making me reconsider 😂
Even if i risk it and order the test strips, how can i make sure to cover all the substances the pill may contain i mean there could be anything. I would need a million reagents, right?
You may be okay, but that is always a huge risk. A risk many people do take regularly of course. However, look at a site like drugs-data and you will see the same exact pill appearance-wise is testing for many different things and different amounts. May "worst case scenario" is literally the worst case scenario possible, but it can be anything between harmless to that example.

You will never be able to cover all the substances the pill may contain unless you have lab testing of some sort done, but you can definitely narrow down what the pill is containing using only just a handful of reagents. You really only need about 10 reagents to identify almost anything you can imagine which can be identified using this method. Also nitazene/fentanyl test strips can be handy as well to rule out accidental cross-contamination which can happen.

I highly recommend checking out the Reagent Testing and Drug Checking forum here: https://www.bluelight.org/community/forums/reagent-testing-and-drug-checking.159/
 
You may be okay, but that is always a huge risk. A risk many people do take regularly of course. However, look at a site like drugs-data and you will see the same exact pill appearance-wise is testing for many different things and different amounts. May "worst case scenario" is literally the worst case scenario possible, but it can be anything between harmless to that example.

You will never be able to cover all the substances the pill may contain unless you have lab testing of some sort done, but you can definitely narrow down what the pill is containing using only just a handful of reagents. You really only need about 10 reagents to identify almost anything you can imagine which can be identified using this method. Also nitazene/fentanyl test strips can be handy as well to rule out accidental cross-contamination which can happen.

I highly recommend checking out the Reagent Testing and Drug Checking forum here: https://www.bluelight.org/community/forums/reagent-testing-and-drug-checking.159/
Thank you
 
purity does and doesnt matter sometimes, it depends on the drug, and the impurity. cutters are sometimes fine and are used to either give your compound a more manageable mass, better physical qualities (like melts easier without burning/lower temp smoking), or just rip people off as is the case with MSM.
Then theres byproducts/side/decomposition products, where the drug was not purified, because the inactive byproducts usually taste/behave almost the same as the drug anyway, its like the perfect cutting agent. Hypothetically if one could produce the L-isomer of methamphetamine without a ridiculous amount of cost/effort/skill, it would be the ultimate cutting agent for D/D-L racemic methamphetamine, or, ice specifically where large clean crystals are a sign of quality. technically L-meth is a side product, it has an identical chemical structure, its just a mirror of D-Meth.
Off hand i dont know any other inactive products of drugs that are produced though other than some of the re-arrangements of meth because they show up pretty often in literally any study done on street meth quality and the products are so diverse they can even be used to ascertain the entire synthesis route (useful for addressing restrictions based on whats actually used domestically). Stuff like benzyl amines, or phenyl amines, and possibly propyl amines. They would form in the final reaction under modified conditions, (fucking things up/wrong ingredient ratios/unbalanced reaction).

Now, when/why are these bad?
in the case of MDMA, i believe that it is smokeable, according to a friend, but dirty pills char readily and destroy the product by whatever mechanism you might imagine. very pure MDMA however can in principle be smoked to completion.
But MDMA also has another case, MDA, with an MAOi this can be deadly. for certain people, with certain doses, it can also be a pretty bad time, its just a fairly dangerous chemical compared to MDMA. the effects are usually close enough especially taken together. MDMA can be made from MDA, which in turn is more easily produced than MDMA in some circumstances from less of the same/similar ingredients. In short this impurity present could, and does, kill people. And it could be present due to shoddy production, or as a cutter though i think thats less likely.

In the case of DMT, the effects are extremely short lived, and not only that, the concentration in your blood from a single breath/dose directly influences wether or not you even experience anything at all. DMT comes from plant extracts and often contains a lot of difficult to remove very similar compounds which can dilute the smoke enough that you cannot physically smoke enough quickly enough in say, a pipe, to see breakthrough effects, either because the fats/resins wont release the DMT fast enough, or they are just so harsh it doesnt work, and the heat needed to push it forwards would also possibly burn the DMT. Its pretty common to see people complain about their ejuice carts with dmt not working, it needs to be quite concentrated and the vaporizer moderately good. sometimes the DMT wont even dissolve because its so close to the limits of what various vape juices can hold.
DMT requires a clean product and/or technique to use properly.


Sometimes impurities are also chemically active, and will react at high temperatures with a given drug, degrading it, which is the simplest answer.

Context matters for each drug and route of administration. Impurities can be filler, they can affect the quality of the high, they can be toxic sometimes, unpleasant, or force you to consume more actual compound than you need for a given effect, which even as little as 1% in DMT can do, doubling or trippling doseage.
 
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