Tryptamines Questions about DMT

[chris_p]

Do any old timers that may have run into DMT very early on know what method was used to consume? I mean, I know the sandwich method was tried and true, and the only method I can remember looking back. I’m not even sure when vaporization became big. I do not remember people vaporizing cannabis too far back.

I asked this because I was reading the Reddit DMT forum. And I saw someone, probably somebody very young, comment on the sandwich method never works. Of course the next post was this was a person‘s favorite method. I imagine the sandwich method was the method that those large figures from the 60s used? I mean, when would the volcano have become public?

When I used to smoke DMT way back then the only form you could get it in was changa. I personally wouldnt bother with sandwich method but I've heard there's a very specific technique needed to make it work, don't go full throttle on the lighter, just light the tip of the bowl and slowly inhale to not burn the DMT but vaporize it

 

[pupnik]

I have only used commercial vapes, gone through 4 from various suppliers. they are great.
with a good battery, the vape carts are very reliable.

when I do DMT I usually hear sounds that are not there and the whole world becomes sparkly.

after around 20 mins I usually want to do some more, sometimes right after I exhale I do inhale more and it builds to a more amazing state just like that.

euphoria is part of it and some increased heart rate as well.

 

[JackARoe]

When I used to smoke DMT way back then the only form you could get it in was changa. I personally wouldnt bother with sandwich method but I've heard there's a very specific technique needed to make it work, don't go full throttle on the lighter, just light the tip of the bowl and slowly inhale to not burn the DMT but vaporize it

Thanks Chris, Yes the sandwhich method I perfected years ago. So much I never needed a vaporizer. I never understood people saying 40-60 mgs. I can fully blast off from 15-25mgs. Just cherry the top and rip. You do need a small bottom layer too. Top and bottom.

But I often wonder if the 60's characters vaporized anything back then or was the sandwhich method the only method around back then. It had to have been. I mean did we even have bongs back then?? lol

 

[pupnik]

we had chillums and water pipes back then

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the one hitter is basically a tiny chillum, and I still use a small brass one for salvinorin-A doped cig paper fragments

that leather pouch fell apart so I now use paper and a different carrying method

 

[brokedownpalace10]

 

[JackARoe]

Ah right! Chillums and hookahs. I guess they are pretty historic. Totally forgot. about them. My father's father was said to smoke hash out of something that put the smoke through water. He played an oud with his friends all night. However that coolness skipped over my father to me.

But I am going to guess Terrence and Dennis sandwiched their DMT between herbs or even weed.

 

[Esperighanto]

but I was lashing out like a wild animal and screaming in tongues from what I remember, I honestly did not realize I was a human or the world around me existed. I was alone the whole time. I woke up with bruises from top to bottom, I hit my head many times on the floor and got concussions, wasn't pretty.

Jesus christ man, what doses were you working with? I've eaten a gram of DMT in a day, keeping myself absolutely loaded on an initial dose of 300mg harmaline and 100mg of tetrahydroharmine, redosing the harmaline twice in the day at 150:50 (harmaline:THH amounts) and I started with 125mg of DMT before going into the 250-300mg range for redoses. It just felt like 30-50 tabs of acid, a very intense trip but nothing even remotely close to evoking a response like you mentioned here. I've had people around me bug out on much lower doses, but it's just been panic attacks that never resulted in any degree of chimping out like you seemed to do.

@JackARoe The necessary doses of DMT vary a ton based on the purity of the material being used. When I used to extract really crude jungle spice that was full of NMT, absolutely flawless vaporization still required anywhere from 35-60mg for people, the darker spots required the higher end of that (45-60), the lighter spots required more like 35-45. When I've recrystallized it countless times to get it into a pure white crystal, I've rarely seen anybody need more than 25-30mg to break through.

@curiouskatalina Didgital already dropped a ton of fantastic advice on you in this thread, but I just wanted to chime in about how unbelievably healing DMT can be, and how it can take sometimes days or even weeks after the trip to fully integrate it. Both ayahuasca/pharmahuasca as well as vaporized DMT have been some of the most impactful drugs I've ever touched in my entire life, and I'm easily in excess of 150-200 unique things I've used so far total. Isolating yourselves out to a cabin is an interesting choice though, I used to use DMT at my apartment in a bustling urban area, as well as in public parks in that city too. The smell of DMT brings me back to the shag carpet and velvet couch of that old apartment's living room, listening to the homeless people get in fights outside and hearing the sirens blare by, experiencing this profoundly intense state of psychedelic sonder where ego death sank in fully, the realization that I could have been any one of those other people outside if my life had just gone in a slightly different direction. Smoking DMT outside of areas in that city that were really relevant to when my people immigrated to the city was also highly impactful, watching the cracks in the bricks form into a tree of life and then seeing myself within it, that sort of deal.

TLDR; Don't be afraid of using DMT in urban areas, it's a beautiful gift of a drug wherever you are.

 

[chris_p]

Jesus christ man, what doses were you working with? I've eaten a gram of DMT in a day, keeping myself absolutely loaded on an initial dose of 300mg harmaline and 100mg of tetrahydroharmine, redosing the harmaline twice in the day at 150:50 (harmaline:THH amounts) and I started with 125mg of DMT before going into the 250-300mg range for redoses. It just felt like 30-50 tabs of acid, a very intense trip but nothing even remotely close to evoking a response like you mentioned here. I've had people around me bug out on much lower doses, but it's just been panic attacks that never resulted in any degree of chimping out like you seemed to do.

@JackARoe The necessary doses of DMT vary a ton based on the purity of the material being used. When I used to extract really crude jungle spice that was full of NMT, absolutely flawless vaporization still required anywhere from 35-60mg for people, the darker spots required the higher end of that (45-60), the lighter spots required more like 35-45. When I've recrystallized it countless times to get it into a pure white crystal, I've rarely seen anybody need more than 25-30mg to break through.

@curiouskatalina Didgital already dropped a ton of fantastic advice on you in this thread, but I just wanted to chime in about how unbelievably healing DMT can be, and how it can take sometimes days or even weeks after the trip to fully integrate it. Both ayahuasca/pharmahuasca as well as vaporized DMT have been some of the most impactful drugs I've ever touched in my entire life, and I'm easily in excess of 150-200 unique things I've used so far total. Isolating yourselves out to a cabin is an interesting choice though, I used to use DMT at my apartment in a bustling urban area, as well as in public parks in that city too. The smell of DMT brings me back to the shag carpet and velvet couch of that old apartment's living room, listening to the homeless people get in fights outside and hearing the sirens blare by, experiencing this profoundly intense state of psychedelic sonder where ego death sank in fully, the realization that I could have been any one of those other people outside if my life had just gone in a slightly different direction. Smoking DMT outside of areas in that city that were really relevant to when my people immigrated to the city was also highly impactful, watching the cracks in the bricks form into a tree of life and then seeing myself within it, that sort of deal.

TLDR; Don't be afraid of using DMT in urban areas, it's a beautiful gift of a drug wherever you are.

Teenage years with sketchy DMT bought off the street and syrian rue pills from the wellness stores. I think it was probably 5-meo, I don't really remember visuals at all, it was like I was in a void experiencing eternity and I became some kind of god. Was one of my first few times experimenting with psychedelics and the inexperience is likely what lead to it, I don't think today I would've had the same reaction

 

[Esperighanto]

Teenage years with sketchy DMT bought off the street and syrian rue pills from the wellness stores. I think it was probably 5-meo, I don't really remember visuals at all, it was like I was in a void experiencing eternity and I became some kind of god. Was one of my first few times experimenting with psychedelics and the inexperience is likely what lead to it, I don't think today I would've had the same reaction

Man, I've never done pharmahuasca with 5-MeO-DMT but I used to brew with 5-MeO-DMT rich plants when I was in my ayahuasca phase for ~8 months. Even when pushing the doses to monumental amounts, I'd already spent many hundreds of sessions with lower doses, normal N,N-DMT, mixing ayahuasca with psilocybin containing fungi and LSD and the sort, so I suspect I was probably more adequately prepared for the experience. I was also 22 when I even started interfacing with psychedelics in the first place, and I suspect that using psychedelics as a teenager probably increases the likelihood of adverse experiences occurring, but I'm not positive. Just a hunch.

 

[JackARoe]

@JackARoe The necessary doses of DMT vary a ton based on the purity of the material being used. When I used to extract really crude jungle spice that was full of NMT, absolutely flawless vaporization still required anywhere from 35-60mg for people, the darker spots required the higher end of that (45-60), the lighter spots required more like 35-45. When I've recrystallized it countless times to get it into a pure white crystal, I've rarely seen anybody need more than 25-30mg to break through.

Good point, I forgot about the different plants and techs that could add to weight and effect. And I have found some credible veterans that say they can "breakthrough" on 15-20- mgs. I put the word in quotes because it is a word that I think causes more harm than good. I know I have said that way to many times. I have seen people discredit their trips if they think they did not achieve a breakthrough that matches what the next guy said. i just consider it an intense experience. I know the intensity can vary. 20-25 mgs properly consumed that makes me forget I am a human that just smoked DMT and lost in hyperspace, to me, is a breakthrough. (intense experience). I Agree there is an "oh shit: moment upon exhaling that is a little different from a lighter dose.

I've eaten a gram of DMT in a day, keeping myself absolutely loaded on an initial dose of 300mg harmaline and 100mg of tetrahydroharmine, redosing the harmaline twice in the day at 150:50 (harmaline:THH amounts) and I started with 125mg of DMT before going into the 250-300mg range for redoses. It just felt like 30-50 tabs of acid, a very intense trip...

Cough....blog....cough.... . (I promise I will stop with that, but maybe a trip report for us at some point on those combos.) Some of your combos and amounts are extraordinary and you still have praise for these substances which I love to see.

TLDR; Don't be afraid of using DMT in urban areas, it's a beautiful gift of a drug wherever you are.

Yes it is, a gift at any dose. I agree with Dale Pendell in Pharmako Dynamis. People always trying for the large doses may miss some of the lessons that DMT has at lighter doses. Plus the info is easier to bring info back in sub breakthroughs. A breakthrough is like that term in the spirit molecule where it is like a caveman in a computer lab. Most info goes over my head. I see math that I can't compute.

Didgital already dropped a ton of fantastic advice on you in this thread.

Didgital always has good info. Would love to get around a picnic table with you all and shoot the shit.

 

[Phobos]

Do any old timers that may have run into DMT very early on know what method was used to consume? I mean, I know the sandwich method was tried and true, and the only method I can remember looking back. I’m not even sure when vaporization became big. I do not remember people vaporizing cannabis too far back.

I asked this because I was reading the Reddit DMT forum. And I saw someone, probably somebody very young, comment on the sandwich method never works. Of course the next post was this was a person‘s favorite method. I imagine the sandwich method was the method that those large figures from the 60s used? I mean, when would the volcano have become public?

I don't know what was used decades ago, but I only ever vaped DMT crystals in a meth pipe.
Even with no previous meth vaping experience it was really easy to do.

Sure I overdid it a bit on the first 2 tokes and burned a bit of DMT, but I figured out how to avoid that quickly.

I would just recommend to have a dry kitchen cloth folded twice next to you to put the hot pipe down and a trip sitter next to you ready to grab the cloth with the pipe and move them away from you as soon as you put it down.

 

[chris_p]

I don't know what was used decades ago, but I only ever vaped DMT crystals in a meth pipe.
Even with no previous meth vaping experience it was really easy to do.

Sure I overdid it a bit on the first 2 tokes and burned a bit of DMT, but I figured out how to avoid that quickly.

I would just recommend to have a dry kitchen cloth folded twice next to you to put the hot pipe down and a trip sitter next to you ready to grab the cloth with the pipe and move them away from you as soon as you put it down.

How strong is this? Breakthrough in one hit possible?

 

[Phobos]

How strong is this? Breakthrough in one hit possible?

I was able to take 2 hits, consuming almost all of 80mg and burning almost nothing.

During the second hit the vapor swirling inside the bowl became a massive storm front coming at me and entirely filling up my field of vision.

I don't think a 3rd hit would be possible, maybe if a sitter is holding both the stem and the lighter for you? Not sure.

 

[Misterx1976]

Can you use ash for the sandwich method on a pipe?
I’m not fond of the idea of using weed I don’t want the trip ruined by paranoia
Thanks

 

[Esperighanto]

Can you use ash for the sandwich method on a pipe?
I’m not fond of the idea of using weed I don’t want the trip ruined by paranoia
Thanks

My advice would be to look for non-psychoactive smoking herbs like marshmallow leaf, or super minimally noticable ones like valerian or damiana (it just has a calming effect). Ash is a bit heinous tasting and I'm not sure how it'll actually buffer the heat from the flame tbh.

 

[phenethylo J]

Can you use ash for the sandwich method on a pipe?
I’m not fond of the idea of using weed I don’t want the trip ruined by paranoia
Thanks

Get one of those small metal hitters like the ones that look like a cig. They work really good; I'd sandwich it between some dried mint leaf when I used to use dmt. Just hover the flame above the herb without toughing it. I always preferred using dmt without weed.

 

[Esperighanto]

Get one of those small metal hitters like the ones that look like a cig. They work really good; I'd sandwich it between some dried mint leaf when I used to use dmt. Just hover the flame above the herb without toughing it. I always preferred using dmt without weed.

Can't believe I forgot mint, mint is an absolute banger for smoking DMT, PCP, even salvia mixes.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Parsley is non-psychoactive and doesn't have a lot of crap in it. It absorbs a lot (Changa) and is pretty tasteless. Spent mint leaves from mint tea works well, too.

 

[pupnik]

cigarette paper scraps

 

[Misterx1976]

cigarette paper scraps

How does that work