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Heroin "It's so good you only have to take it once"

emkee_reinvented said:
Whats more problematic your normal doc rather let you die then help you himself.
So afaik he might as well die.

So he redirects you to the only DETOX available, knowing it is shit.
They had a 100 year outdated stand on addiction, 90 % relapse rate !

And when the state privatised insurance.
Logically, they are not allowed to make profit, shit what now.
Well lets use budget we are ment to spend on o.a. Mental Healthcare.

And use it to make our prizes lower, more con-curating. Smart !
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
jasperkent said:
I have no idea what you're talking about.
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That if you get addicted to Alcohol, ime the worst of the 4 drugs.
I got addicted to, the other three i stopped by myself.
GBL/ Kratom/ MXE.[last no WD],
the other 3/ 5 day s discomfort but still functional.

Mind these are illegal drugs, not Alcohol that is legal.
So the worst ime drug, legal. Get addicted physical too it.
Discover that what your dr does / and DETOX offer is crap.
90 % relapse rate ! Learning experience, but DETOX not by a mile.

Prescribing Magnesium-Hydro-Oxide as Mg. supplement [DETOX]

:pooprocket:

Dr offered nada help,
like when i had stress induced insomnia 2 years.
Like not sleeping is less worse then a week a good Benzo,
and restore sleep rhythm. That happened in DETOX,
where they OD you on Diazepam 5 days, last one 10 mg.
Restored my sleep, no insomnia/ gone. Fuckers !

So its DIY, only option. Or lots of cash and outside the country.
And the WD last fucking 3 weeks before a slow climb.
Everywhere everything can be a trigger. Relapse risk.

And about Health care i have little goods to say.
 
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emkee_reinvented said:
That if you get addicted to Alcohol, ime the worst of the 4 drugs.
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I agree that alcohol is one of the worst drugs to be addicted to. It's a fairly nasty substance in general.

I was fortunate in that I received pretty good care when I sought it out. Even here in the US where the healthcare system is abominable, hospitals will take care of someone who is in a life-threatening condition. It's tragic that it has to get to that point.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
If anything was ever put on Earth to get people off Heroin it was this stuff.
It helped so much & it stopped the PAWS too 100%.

I swear by MXE as a cure for Opiate addiction & Depression till the day I die, the day it was banned the Medical Industry lost one of the most amazing chemicals the RC market ever made.
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Probably with some Disso, though MXE was special.
But stimulating ime. Only Ketamine not.

A sporadic Benzo, maybe even better Pregabalin.
Heroin/ Alcokol WD doesn t have to be a hell.

GHB also a wonderful aid they have, the dr s.
Imagine kicking Booze with a tapering schedule of that.
would safe a lot of sweat and suffer.

Wonder why that s not done anymore,
in case raising seizure threshold.
No idea if GHB/ XYREM does that.
But you can always add a normal dose of Benzo.
They don t interact as a combo with Alcohol,
or a other strong downer would.

And your in patient anyway. Monitored
Diazepam barely touches WD btw ime.
Even at 80 mg/ 20 mg just put me to sleep, wrong neurotransmitter.
You suffer.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
If anything was ever put on Earth to get people off Heroin it was this stuff.
It helped so much & it stopped the PAWS too 100%.

I swear by MXE as a cure for Opiate addiction & Depression till the day I die, the day it was banned the Medical Industry lost one of the most amazing chemicals the RC market ever made.
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Funnily enough, it was MXE that got me through an o-DSMT withdrawal. 50mg of MXE every night for a week was enough to counteract any negative symptoms.
 
Bfhahaha, and I would agree. I have never taken an opiate that has given me a sense of self I would subscribe to "Right" you know what I mean? I woke up in the morning seeking speed but not for the the reasons you would find right to try and read? I don't know. But opiates never offered me what I sought and that's alright and I feel for those that it did for "fuck did I see them die at a arms length". But speed was always my queen and the doctor always seemed more than happy to offer me something more appealing than a ketamine needle to me.

and I want to add I have indeed followed the DMT rabbit hole and then some, holy fuck the cherry on the cake was learning the author of the big book only was able to author it after lsd and his whole family got paid for it.

However I know people who have got caught by big pharm and it's fucked to know they can't even read out there OD or time to get off... BLUELIGHT cateogrized all the different feelings of speed and without that I'd probably be dead.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
Someone from here dropped me a good few Pre-gabs & I ate them for a few days & they helped the last time I tried to kick Heroin.
Taken alone when not dopesick though they are horrible.
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Heh, I had a similar experience myself. During my methadone taper, I got gifted a bunch of 300mg pregs. By taking 1200mg/day, I was able to stay off methadone for over a week with no WD.

But tbh, when they ran out, I was glad to get back onto the methadone because I'd turned into a fat, bloated cunt...
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
But tbh, when they ran out, I was glad to get back onto the methadone because I'd turned into a fat, bloated cunt...
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Glad it isn't just me, I ate in one night 500 grams of Pasta covered in HP Brown Sauce after taking 600mg of Pre-Gab.
The Iceland 720 Gram blocks of Cheese eaten in one night is a Guilty feeling I will take to my Grave.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
Glad it isn't just me, I ate in one night 500 grams of Pasta covered in HP Brown Sauce after taking 600mg of Pre-Gab.
The Iceland 720 Gram blocks of Cheese eaten in one night is a Guilty feeling I will take to my Grave.
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Does gabapentin do anything to tough a heroin addiction? Man I have only had a trace addiction to what I would call a gnarly GHB. I got off all on my own by following ween and being to afraid to follow any further and I mean that. A kid I knew died and so I did research on one on a research chem of GHB and I still gave got the finger kept going and cut myself off years ago.
 
azurefire said:
Does gabapentin do anything to tough a heroin addiction? Man I have only had a trace addiction to what I would call a gnarly GHB. I got off all on my own by following ween and being to afraid to follow any further and I mean that. A kid I knew died and so I did research on one on a research chem of GHB and I still gave got the finger kept going and cut myself off years ago.
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Pregabalin for the Treatment of Drug and Alcohol Withdrawal Symptoms: A Comprehensive Review - PMC

Treatments for physical dependence and associated withdrawal symptoms following the abrupt discontinuation of prescription drugs (such as opioids and benzodiazepines), nicotine, alcohol, and cannabinoids are available, but there is still a need for ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
Right on, I hope that shit helps it's pretty mild in terms of gaba-b interaction and I won't lie to you guys gaba-b is the shit for me. I can't explain it, it's that or dextroamphetamine or bromatane and ketamine.
 
azurefire said:
Does gabapentin do anything to tough a heroin addiction? Man I have only had a trace addiction to what I would call a gnarly GHB. I got off all on my own by following ween and being to afraid to follow any further and I mean that. A kid I knew died and so I did research on one on a research chem of GHB and I still gave got the finger kept going and cut myself off years ago.
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IME, gabapentin is just a weaker version of pregabalin, so if the doses are adjusted accordingly, then I can't see any reason why gabapentin shouldn't be just as effective as pregabalin at cessating opiate withdrawals.

However, don't expect a magic bullet. These drugs can provide relief, but they're far from a 'cure'. They are no substitute for the conviction to abstain....
 
azurefire said:
Hey F.U.B.A.R. I hear you, there is absolutely no magic bullet other than quitting. However I was just upstairs and asked if I was hammered. I was. and I honestly I write better when hammered but what does that have to prove about a working women? or not for that matter. nothing, who gives a shit.
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Kratom may also help a little in taking the edge off some of the more relatively light opi w/ds. It's pretty versatile really, and just seems to help provide you with w/e you feel you might be lacking..........

Good to see you back @Zopiclone bandit! I'm still interested as to whether you got your Wedinos test sent off, and if they ever published the results.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
IME, gabapentin is just a weaker version of pregabalin, so if the doses are adjusted accordingly, then I can't see any reason why gabapentin shouldn't be just as effective as pregabalin at cessating opiate withdrawals.

However, don't expect a magic bullet. These drugs can provide relief, but they're far from a 'cure'. They are no substitute for the conviction to abstain....
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Yeah I also keep seeing that gabapentin needs to be consumed with certain types of fat for it to be effective. Whereas pregabs are stronger and don't need to be consumed with fats, so they just seem the better choice. I've never bothered with gabapentin, I don't really see the point in it, for recreational or w/d purposes, when pregabs are so easily available.
 
@Ismene2
I was one of those people this interminable cliché is built on - my first hit was a fantastic experience, I thought 'this is the greatest shit on the planet' and I was pretty much mentally 'hooked' on the spot.
And I think that in fact generalising that kind of reaction is RUBBISH, inaccurate, does nothing but help turn users into addicts, and this myth-making about heroin needs to die.
 
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