it would be funny - hypocritical even - if i was the one talking about how important it is we unite.
but i'm not. so it's not.
if you sincerely believe in unity, start by not dividing people. be the change.
alasdair
What will the radical left do after the Trump win
- Thread starter Boku_
- Start date
- Status
it would be funny - hypocritical even - if i was the one talking about how important it is we unite.
but i'm not. so it's not.
if you sincerely believe in unity, start by not dividing people. be the change.
alasdair
- Joined
- Mar 7, 2011
- Messages
- 25,694
Yes. The goal is to make as much money as they can, and give the people only as much as it takes to keep us from rebelling.
Are things adequate in the first world? Sure. But they aren't great, for the vast majority of working people. Most live day to day and hand to mouth, and they always will, you can barely retire now. And the third world? The countries that are victims of our proxy wars and imperialist manipulation? Things are fucking awful there. And if youre poor, disabled, mentally ill, or homeless, in the first world, it really fucking sucks in most countries, particularly in America. I have lived in shelters and have lived in the absolute devastation of the urban centers of America. Its not pretty.
Ultimately, it doesnt matter if you approach politics from the left or right. If someone is open minded enough to recognize ^^ those things as the serious problems that they are, and would like to fix it, and is willing to put in the effort, we need to work together for our communities and help our people.
Ultimately, none of us are politicians. Your opinion doesnt mean shit. Your vote doesn't mean shit. What are you going to do, about it though?
Thats all that concerns me, and I think more people need to start recognizing these simple truths, I think all of us have more in common politically than one would think. But it seems many get caught up in semantics and ideological quarrels, that are ultimately useless distractions and futile disputes.
This is what annoys me about political discourse. Theres so much more we can do, and people are more concerned with voicing their opinions, and being right. We should be learning things from each other and mobilizing for causes.
mal3volent
Bluelight Crew
- Joined
- Jun 6, 2011
- Messages
- 40,149
Tell that to the people who are about to have their social security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc slashed.
The Supreme Court after Trump adds two more justices will be conservative for decades to come.
We're about to have incompetent people leading several departments of the federal government. Let's see how much our vote doesn't matter when Russia pushes further into Europe and Pete Hegseth (the Fox News guy) is secretary of defense.
Kamala wasn't perfect but saying your vote doesn't matter is bullshit.
- Joined
- Mar 7, 2011
- Messages
- 25,694
I mean, yeah depending where you live, it may not. Its a system set up to fuck us in various ways, and we do have a very small voice. At this point the entire country is just phoning it in. This guy is so polarizing, he literally had multiple attempts on his life, but the dems are so ineffective that they couldn't even figure a way to win that type of election.
The entire democratic apparatus has been lying for years, about Bidens cognitive abilities, theyre marching basically a corpse around to command the military and make giant decisions. Thats really fucked up, and indicative of how deeply fucked this system is. I'll vote democrat, but I dont really trust them to do the right thing.
Obviously anyone would have been better than trump, elections do matter, im just saying theres really not much the average person can do personally to affect change at that level.
Theres lots of reasons to be pissed off and theres lots of shitty things happening for everyone, my point is that we have to find alternative ways to solve those types of problems together.
I saw a video of a women who is undergoing chemotherapy and fighting for her life, angry at the women shaving their heads.
I can't remember which thread I posted it in, when asked about 'how we unite in a practical sense', but basically we have to confront the truth and also the psychological aspect in all of this. Grassroots action is not going to work if it is a direct affront to the establishment, they have too many willing subordinates within the intelligence agencies who are prepared to get their hands dirty. Take the miners strike in the UK back in the 80's, the government authorized the use of MI5 and GCHQ in order to squash it.. and they were prepared to do so.
The first, and last, step is always talking about it. That's why there has been such a concerted effort to stigmatize things as 'conspiracy theory', the culture wars nonsense, and all the other little detractions. Bill Hicks's covered it nicely in his routine, why he always banged on about JFK and totalitarianism. If enough people shout and shout loud enough, then that confrontation alone is enough to swing social momentum.
I always think of the example of how it has become normalized to not ask about salaries within the company, of other employees, so that the company can hide the fact it may not be playing straight dice. It's an unwritten rule. But one which falls apart if people just start talking about it - young people are beginning to shatter this convention now. It's a parallel example of what we all need to do. That unwritten rule is akin to the social psychological fabric that holds this corrupt system in place. If enough people buck the trend by confronting the lies, then the lies have no place to shelter.
People treat politics like church goers treat religion. They think just by turning up once a week they can be immoral the other 6 and half days. Or by voting once every cycle that it absolves them of their need to act righteously in life by speaking up and confronting lies. If a social climate is created where lies are not tolerated by the public, then lies will not be tolerated and liars will find themselves ostracized. It's as simple as that. You can't vote to make that happen, or pay the preacher to make it happen.. it has to by a dynamic thing by each person.
mal3volent
Bluelight Crew
- Joined
- Jun 6, 2011
- Messages
- 40,149
Guys like Bernie are willing to work with whoever because they know it's the issues that matter not his re-electability
I guess I just don't get it. I don't care who the president is, I just would like this country to succeed and stop seeing prices on everyday items skyrocket.
It is disgusting to see people who wish to deliberately sabotage this country's economy because the election didn't go their way.
When Biden was elected, I wished for the best. I didn't get my wish.
The elections in a democracy ( yes I know someone will say we are a Republic, but we have democracy and elections are based on votes, not who screams the loudest).
Besides you know things are bad when a Kennedy endorses a Republican and will become part of their cabinet.
It is disgusting to see people who wish to deliberately sabotage this country's economy because the election didn't go their way.
When Biden was elected, I wished for the best. I didn't get my wish.
The elections in a democracy ( yes I know someone will say we are a Republic, but we have democracy and elections are based on votes, not who screams the loudest).
Besides you know things are bad when a Kennedy endorses a Republican and will become part of their cabinet.
Electrum1
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Nov 22, 2021
- Messages
- 29,265
Sounds like a recipe for people without great credit to get denied credit cards
That is actually a brilliant insight. The banks will make it even harder for the working class to establish any sort of good credit history.
Gee, I wonder, does a decent credit rating matter when trying to get a mortgage or a car loan?
- Joined
- Mar 7, 2011
- Messages
- 25,694
Back, and to the left
There are a lot of different things we can do to change things. But I agree that yes we need to be talking about it, ultimately communicating is the fundamental aspect of society.
Sure, I agree, but personally I'm pretty much open to any form of any action that either helps citizens, whether it hurts a corporation or government or not.
Ultimately that's what it is, a two headed monster that functions as a one party state. Major industry controls the government, the media, every basic material need is made harder and harder to ascertain by these groups of murderers, usurers, and negligent rats.
So yeah, fuck them all imo, whole system has been rotten to the core for way longer than ive been around. I dont care if people lie, cheat, or steal to get what they need. Thats what it comes down to. Fuck prisons, fuck police, fuck generals, fuck politicians, fuck every CEO, these people are all murderers and thieves at the end of the day. Get every benefit from the government. Steal what you need from Walmart. Sell drugs, sell guns. Fudge your taxes, dont pay them shit.
These savage fucks have already stolen and hoarded everything we need to live, most of our labor value, and are selling it back to us piecemeal, with 100% compounded interest, and taxing us for it.
Its really simple at the end of the day. All of the above entities can get straight fucked, they all need to go, and personally ill be happy to see some of this shit burn and I'll be rooting for the arsonists likely.
Honestly, people need to be playing way dirtier. They already are. They've weaponized every aspect of our life against us to extract more value for themselves. Its a caste system at the end of the day. Fuckin "middle class".
These people don't give a fuck about us, and will let you die without a shrug, I don't need to go into all the war crimes, all of the domestic murder by the police and government. Its disgusting how much violence we allow.
- Joined
- Jan 16, 2009
- Messages
- 4,556
Is democracy even real? Behind the scenes it seems everything is driven by special interest and money. Always was. Just now with social media we know all the moves. Who knows what went on behind the scenes when let's say Ulysses S. Grant was president. Or any other president, not singling him out.
I do however believe in the virtue and integrity of some people over others. Virtue is important. I leave that to you to judge. All of it on display.
Staying away from politics just like I did when G W Bush and Obama were president. There ain't nobody going to do nothing about nothing.
I do however believe in the virtue and integrity of some people over others. Virtue is important. I leave that to you to judge. All of it on display.
Staying away from politics just like I did when G W Bush and Obama were president. There ain't nobody going to do nothing about nothing.
What? You can't seriously believe that - how old are you? We've practiced 'trickle down' economics for half a century, it is complete bullshit and has done nothing but pilfer wealth away from the public not give it to them.
The alliance between corporate entities - literally the largest, most powerful corporate entity at that - and the state, without any democratic input at all.. that is the textbook definition of fascism. The UK has the worlds financial centre, the square mile, at it's heart.. if trickle down economics actually benefitted the people then we wouldn't be having some of the most expensive energy costs in the world, pension age rising, taxes rising, services at the point of failure, and all the rest. The UK is the example of the fact it does not work.
Nobody in their right mind would vote or want this. A behemoth financial corporation that is unaccountable to the public and only accountable to its shareholders and stakeholders. How exactly is that in the interests of British citizens!
nepalnt21
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Nov 3, 2016
- Messages
- 2,601
hahaha sorry i was taking the piss, it's obviously business as usual which is bad for business if your business is keeping your family fed.
and yes, i agree with that fascism definition... mussolini had his leglislature replaced by a buncha straight up businesses, iirc.
the only thing's gonna trickle down is golden streams and hammy steams
and yes, i agree with that fascism definition... mussolini had his leglislature replaced by a buncha straight up businesses, iirc.
the only thing's gonna trickle down is golden streams and hammy steams
Boku_
Bluelighter
The thing is that the social anarchists had a plan 30 years ago to stage a revolution around 2024-2025. The covid virus would be the start and the US 2024 election would be when the people rise up!
Trump said 25 years ago he was going to prevent this happening. SO FAR Trump is right. Yes America is fucked, Canada is fucked, The UK is fucked, Australia is fucked etc but the gen X and gen Y Fuckin "middle class". are going to get a nice fat inheritance when the baby boomers kick the bucket so I don't see a revolution happening any time soon.
Sure America might no longer be the world power in the future but will things really change?
- Status