What will the radical left do after the Trump win

[LucidSDreamr]

But our great demigod leader Trump said they are all Marxist cat eating pedophile extremeists.

He’s so uninformed about reality that he doesn’t realize hatians are some of the most hardcore Christian conservative ppl in an ideological sense. These are ppl he could easily swallow up as a voting block if they are citizens and he pandered to them.

a lot of hatians voted for Trump just based on the abortion issue and against gay/trans support they hear coming from democrats.

They are left wing in a sociological sense (ie they follow Jesuses teaching about helping the poor and immigrants etc.)…but the abortion and anti gay stuff outweighs it.

That’s how hardcore catholic these ppl are. They’d like they end up republican if they don’t get Americanized much being here and stay in their insular hatian circles.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I don’t think this is the radical left that will be doing things l.

But when Trump sends military into cities to carry out mass deportation there will 100 be death amd gunfire on both sides.

Ppl are not going to go quietly and it will be ugly.

I’m conflicted. These ppl
Should not be in the country; especially if they committed any crime - that should be automatic deportation….but this is some crazy shit to think you’re gonna be busting down doors and dragging people away from their families.

There’s gonna be carnage.

As far as American far left groups like the boogeyman antifa?

I don’t think they’ll be doing shit. They only seem to come out when there are race riots from police killings - which I guess such killings are going to happen during the mass deportations; so we’ll see.

I am curious too see Trump send the military into cities like Oakland or Chicago and how the locals are going to respond to that. It could get super ugly

 

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But when Trump sends military into cities to carry out mass deportation there will 100 be death amd gunfire on both sides. Ppl are not going to go quietly and it will be ugly.

Maybe initially, but most people will fold pretty quick. You are not beating an advanced military with superior hardware, and its not an ideologically strong enough thing for most people to throw their lives away over, so they'll just leave.

Should not be in the country; especially if they committed any crime - that should be automatic deportation….but this is some crazy shit to think you’re gonna be busting down doors and dragging people away from their families.

Yeah but it's all interconnected. All these people are competing against everyone else, for housing, jobs, and all the rest.. it's a diffuse form of violence that we can't see. If they shouldn't be here, then they shouldn't be here, and they were happy to exploit the situation to begin with so sympathy is not warranted. Not unless you an actual refugee fleeing persecution or war, in line with the international law on the definition of a refugee.

Personally I hope it happens because then it may force the hand here in the UK. There's at least 10 million people on these islands who shouldn't be here. I have no sympathy what so ever, because anyone under the age of 50 has been systematically betrayed by this importation over the past 30 years.. people have done everything that was expected of them in the 'social contract' and have been royally shafted for it.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Maybe initially, but most people will fold pretty quick. You are not beating an advanced military with superior hardware, and its not an ideologically strong enough thing for most people to throw their lives away over, so they'll just leave.

Yeah but it's all interconnected. All these people are competing against everyone else, for housing, jobs, and all the rest.. it's a diffuse form of violence that we can't see. If they shouldn't be here, then they shouldn't be here, and they were happy to exploit the situation to begin with so sympathy is not warranted. Not unless you an actual refugee fleeing persecution or war, in line with the international law on the definition of a refugee.

Personally I hope it happens because then it may force the hand here in the UK. There's at least 10 million people on these islands who shouldn't be here. I have no sympathy what so ever, because anyone under the age of 50 has been systematically betrayed by this importation over the past 30 years.. people have done everything that was expected of them in the 'social contract' and have been royally shafted for it.

I tend to agree with everything you said. Let me take the ideas further and comments though on things I hear discussed in America.

The problem is that the idea is “let’s get rid of these people we are wasting so much money supporting so we can help our own people."

The people should leave if they are here illegally so that’s fine. But don’t be fooled at all; the citizens of this country will not be helped in any fashion. Any money being used on illegals is not going to be redirected to veterans or struggling Americans; it’s going to be redirected to handouts to billionaires that don’t have to pay any taxes and funded by the working class tax dollars.

Also, I don’t say this to excise illegals being here because they shouldn’t….but if you’re American and grew up here with all the opportunity the country has to offer; and your competition for jobs are people that can’t speak the language and have no skills or education….thats a YOU problem and and failure on your part; not someone “stealing your job." (To be clear I don’t mean you specifically - I’m just using this as an example)

 

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The people should leave if they are here illegally so that’s fine. But don’t be fooled at all; the citizens of this country will not be helped in any fashion. Any money being used on illegals is not going to be redirected to veterans or struggling Americans; it’s going to be redirected to handouts to billionaires that don’t have to pay any taxes and funded by the working class tax dollars.

One issue at a time. We can't even begin to tackle that one, the hierarchical system of obedience composed of central banking/offshore finance/corporations, which is perhaps the biggest issue of them all, until we are first more united as a public. It's half the reason why these people have been imported into our countries in the first place, to divide and conquer, because you can't form a united front when your energy is being scattered by issues of safety and security. It's the same reason why we have 'woke' and all this culture war nonsense, it is keeping people distracted.

We have to backtrack the way we came. Of course we have to watch out for subversion on that front as well. I have long suspected that the backlash and lurch to the right was conceived of right from the start, and that dealing with remigration is going to necessitate the use of digital ID's, face recognition, as the only way to feasibly enact such a scheme and that they are going to use the political pendulum swing as the momentum they need to push all that totalitarian bullshit through.

Also, I don’t say this to excise illegals being here because they shouldn’t….but if you’re American and grew up here with all the opportunity the country has to offer; and your competition for jobs are people that can’t speak the language and have no skills or education….thats a YOU problem and and failure on your part; not someone “stealing your job." (To be clear I don’t mean you specifically - I’m just using this as an example)

Life is not that simple, and the economics isn't that simple either. It's not a level playing field to begin with. For instance, in the UK we hear repeatedly how immigrants are doing the jobs no one else wants to do. The cartoon South Park covered this brilliantly a long time ago, with the 'goobacks', and to quote Stan (the kid) he said "I wanted my job" [the paper round]. When it comes to adults, people will do jobs.. but not when the pay relative to the cost of living is fucking bullshit. The only reason the immigrants can do these shitty jobs is because they live 5, 10, 20 to a house, and are prepared to work/live like slave labour.

When you have labour being exploited this undercuts the regular people, who have a modicum of dignity and self-respect, because you are increasing the competition on two main fronts; you reduce the job pool, and you reduce the availability of housing. It's a meme at this point how baby boomers were able to basically walk into a new job in the same week, same day, when they were young. These days a young person is sending out dozens or hundreds of applications, to a computer system. And that goes for both jobs and housing.

Let's not even get started on the failure of both the education system and also the failure of jobs to adequately train people anymore. They expect you to be fully trained, the golden employee, before you even get a leg up in the industry you are targeting. My first career I had to get a University education for, and it barely prepared me for the job itself. Quite frankly, young people today are having to put in two or three times the effort for not even half of what their predecessors got back. It's ludicrous. And if you doubt all that, you have to come up with a feasible explanation for why unemployment (NEET) is rising sharply in the younger demographics, and even why older people are checking out too.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Oh thats right, Trump is God. Kevin Sorbo is a demigod.

DUDE!!! I literally just watched that episode of Hercules with the wife yesterday. Now we yell disappointed at our cats when they're misbehaving

 

[LucidSDreamr]

One issue at a time. We can't even begin to tackle that one, the hierarchical system of obedience composed of central banking/offshore finance/corporations, which is perhaps the biggest issue of them all, until we are first more united as a public. It's half the reason why these people have been imported into our countries in the first place, to divide and conquer, because you can't form a united front when your energy is being scattered by issues of safety and security. It's the same reason why we have 'woke' and all this culture war nonsense, it is keeping people distracted.

We have to backtrack the way we came. Of course we have to watch out for subversion on that front as well. I have long suspected that the backlash and lurch to the right was conceived of right from the start, and that dealing with remigration is going to necessitate the use of digital ID's, face recognition, as the only way to feasibly enact such a scheme and that they are going to use the political pendulum swing as the momentum they need to push all that totalitarian bullshit through.

Life is not that simple, and the economics isn't that simple either. It's not a level playing field to begin with. For instance, in the UK we hear repeatedly how immigrants are doing the jobs no one else wants to do. The cartoon South Park covered this brilliantly a long time ago, with the 'goobacks', and to quote Stan (the kid) he said "I wanted my job" [the paper round]. When it comes to adults, people will do jobs.. but not when the pay relative to the cost of living is fucking bullshit. The only reason the immigrants can do these shitty jobs is because they live 5, 10, 20 to a house, and are prepared to work/live like slave labour.

When you have labour being exploited this undercuts the regular people, who have a modicum of dignity and self-respect, because you are increasing the competition on two main fronts; you reduce the job pool, and you reduce the availability of housing. It's a meme at this point how baby boomers were able to basically walk into a new job in the same week, same day, when they were young. These days a young person is sending out dozens or hundreds of applications, to a computer system. And that goes for both jobs and housing.

Let's not even get started on the failure of both the education system and also the failure of jobs to adequately train people anymore. They expect you to be fully trained, the golden employee, before you even get a leg up in the industry you are targeting. My first career I had to get a University education for, and it barely prepared me for the job itself. Quite frankly, young people today are having to put in two or three times the effort for not even half of what their predecessors got back. It's ludicrous. And if you doubt all that, you have to come up with a feasible explanation for why unemployment (NEET) is rising sharply in the younger demographics, and even why older people are checking out too.

I just don’t understand how democrats ever thought allowing tons of illegal peoples to stay in the country was a good idea or going to be popular with anyone.

This is already a country full of mass destitution and homelessness seen in no other developed nation. You don’t even see this in the countries some of them are coming from. And democrats, for some off reason cxx , are like "let’s add a bunch of homeless people that can’t speak the language to this.”

 

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I just don’t understand how democrats ever thought allowing tons of illegal peoples to stay in the country was a good idea or going to be popular with anyone.

This is already a country full of mass destitution and homelessness seen in no other developed nation. You don’t even see this in the countries some of them are coming from. And democrats, for some off reason cxx , are like "let’s add a bunch of homeless people that can’t speak the language to this.”

It is deliberate, without a doubt. Who and why is choosing to do this, is up for debate. I think it goes well beyond the democrats, or Tony Blair in the UK; he stated he 'wanted to rub the right's noses in it'.. but I think it goes deeper than this. Think about it, the CIA (and MI6) are supposedly there to protect the safety and integrity of the country.. they would know such movements of people are inherently unsafe (especially for the UK, with Islamists coming over), and surely they would be assassinating and taking out those responsible for it. But no, nothing has been done and it continues to get worse, regardless of which government is in power.

It is happening to the USA, Canada, UK, the whole of the EU. It's another one of those seemingly 'coordinated incompetence' scenarios. Borders are a national security issue, and personally I think it is asinine to suggest this is just incompetence.

Incredibly frustrating, because it's only going to end in disaster. Whoever is ultimately responsible for it is fucking evil.

 

[alasdairm]

until we are first more united as a public

that's noble in theory. how does it happen in practice?

alasdair

 

[LucidSDreamr]

that's noble in theory. how does it happen in practice?

alasdair

People realizing that identity politics is a distraction levied at the working class, so that they are divided, rather than united.

How you make people collectively realize this? Don’t know. Wish it could happen.

 

[Electrum1]

For those that need more context, he founded Blackwater

 

[Electrum1]

I hope this is used to gaslight the pro-hamas left into losing the 2026 midterms

 

[alasdairm]

People realizing that identity politics is a distraction levied at the working class, so that they are divided, rather than united.

How you make people collectively realize this? Don’t know. Wish it could happen.

thanks. i was hoping for an answer from ss but...

i'm always skeptical of bl posters who have a long history of insulting, divisive posts talking about how important it is that we unite.

alasdair

 

[nepalnt21]

pro-hamas left

is there anyone that's pro- hamas running for anything? i mean it's harder than it should be to find a pro- palestinian democrat, or even a pro- ceasefire democrat... but a pro- hamas candidate? is hasan piker running for anything (don't waste your good fruit on me, i like em fermented)?

i assume by you using the word "gaslight" that you put 2 n 2 together and guessed that it's the AIPAC money and not the goodness (or honesty) of the pro- war crimes candidates that probably helped the most with the wins.

 

[Larch]

I have long identified as a progressive, not a liberal. While it may be semantics, I see progressivism as facing forward and working towards the future, adapting to tomorrow while learning from the past. My ideal political style is one that only exists in microbursts - small societies that form up for brief moments around things like music. Mini belle-epoques of the modern era where libertarian socialism can manifest itself and remind me of what can be great, and what it takes to make it happen.

What a great sentiment. Some real food for thought here. Thanks.

 

[nepalnt21]

I have long identified as a progressive, not a liberal

to piggyback, progressivism is the opposite of conservatism... liberals can be conservative or left- leaning. prolly mostly conservative.

 

[Fire&Water]

What will the radical left do after the Trump win​

... start a nuclear war
and blame it on him

 

[LucidSDreamr]

thanks. i was hoping for an answer from ss but...

i'm always skeptical of bl posters who have a long history of insulting, divisive posts talking about how important it is that we unite.

alasdair

Oh I can make fun of conservatives in the working class with me and call them stupid. That may be devisive.

That doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t cooperate with them in a heartbeat if both sides decided to direct their aggression/efforts against the 1%.


Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t cooperate with Neo Nazis if the common enemy became the 1%


You can hate multiple groups and hate one way more than the others and be willing to cooperate with groups you hate against a more powerful common enemy.

If some 3rd party emerged that united by class regardless of social or religious or ethnic ideologies I would be on board with that


I do feel that class is the source of all the problems in the world and if that situation were remedied groups that hate eachother might have a better chance of coexisting

 

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that's noble in theory. how does it happen in practice?

i'm always skeptical of bl posters who have a long history of insulting, divisive posts talking about how important it is that we unite.

Funny coming from you given all you do is try to stir the pot on posts you personally disagree with, without ever contributing anything of constructive value in return.

Uniting in practice comes from two places, but ultimately it boils down to just one. That is: the truth, and human psychology (the latter folding into the first). If you take any of the big social examples of the past two decades say, they all fall into a predictable pattern of not acknowledging the truth and not acknowledging the human psychological element in it.

The most obvious and pertinent example has to be covid, which was an affront to both the truth and human psychology. The truth, in that this was a coordinated military psychological warfare operation (for whatever ultimate objective) that deliberately sought to mislead the public using high intensity visual propaganda backed up by statistics that obfuscated the reality of the situation. A Dutch MP the other day openly stated that Covid was being managed by NATO;

Dutch Health Minister Fleur Agema called the coronavirus pandemic a NATO military operation, noting that it was led directly by the North Atlantic Alliance and the Netherlands National Coordinator for Security and Counterterrorism (NCTV).

The human psychological element, would be treating healthy people like criminals, guilty until proven innocent, by confining them to their homes, not allowing dying care home residents to meet their loved ones, forcing children to wear masks, threatening people with loss of job and livelihood if they didn't take an untested medical product, vaccine passports, and even threatening the prospect of mandatory vaccination and quarantine camps.

Turning us against ourselves while extolling the institutions and government. It did not unite people. The calling card of a despotic elite who do not value truth nor human values.

Uniting people is rather effortless, but it requires the individual to actually face up to the reality of the situation at the time and not fall prey to their own fears about trusting their own inner moral value/judgement structure. Everyone has it, everyone can sense these things, but people choose not to for a variety of individual reasons dependant on their personality construct.

Religion, however phony, used to be the glue. Until it was supplanted by screens and propaganda. The screen is the psychological mirror now, and not the silent space of the church interior. Reflection is now a dynamic, manipulative practice, that has curated entire swathes of the population into false psychological states, with people getting irate about political matters because the screen tells them to i.e. covid, ukraine, Trump, whatever.

Uniting has to be the acknowledgement of the deception the public has been subjected to, and that requires people to accept they have been lied to and subsequently lied to themselves as well (false constructed worldview). Unfortunately thanks to the destruction of the education system, intentional dulling of minds through screens and chemicals, it is very hard to get people to see what is right in front of their faces.

Perhaps the only avenue that people generally 'get', is money. It is no coincidence that sentiment is changing now that cost of living is at ridiculous proportions and peoples personal lives are now directly affected, and that they can't as easily dismiss things any more. So they begin looking, as the walls start closing in. 'Why is it that I'm being financially raped, while billions are being sent to Ukraine?', for example.

Point people to the Panama or Paradise papers. Or the trillions unaccounted for by the Pentagon. That's a great crack in the egg, while you're pinching pennies, to know that conservative estimates place offshore wealth at $27 trillion. Creates a nice cognitive dissonance knowing that you are being told to 'tighten your belts' while their is enough wealth to transform the entire world just sitting in financial purgatory, held by a very small handful of people.

 

[nepalnt21]

If some 3rd party emerged that united by class regardless of social or religious or ethnic ideologies I would be on board with that

drift listlessly no longer, matey