Heroin Trying heroin soon, never done opioids

[blushyrei]

I've been considering trying H just for the sake of it. My life has been going pretty bad. One the one hand I'm more functional than ever, but I'm also really depressed. I'm mostly into psychedelics but I've done harder stuff quite a bit as well.

I've never done opioids, and I found some good deals on heroin on the onion fields. If there's any knowledge anyone might be willing to share about H, I'd love to hear some. I already got some needle filters, (I don't plan on IV'ing until I get a good feel for the drug).

Overall, what are some things I should look out for? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Psynaught]

I think what you are going to get mostly is people saying not to do it.

 

[paltatomate]

besides all the valuable harm reduction tips you will get and in addition to what you might already have found:
if you want to try it just for the sake of it (because it's available and you're curious) doing it while you are depressed is a bad idea. better wait until you feel better, more stable and happy. this way you don't get wrong ideas about it being a cure for feeling shitty.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Don't do it.

I touched opioids at 19 years old & now I'm 36 & I still think about & crave heroin the minute I wake up. Even on opioid maintenance.

I use opioids because they obliterate my depression, which in return makes me motivated, more social, less anxiety & just all around better functioning. So if you have clinical depression, you might find that heroin is going to really help that (at first). So right there is a chance that you could run into addiction problems. Because if something makes you feel better, you're obviously going to want to keep doing it.

It's not because heroin is a bad drug or anything, quite the contrary. I actually believe heroin should be completely legal, because it enhances the quality of my life.

But it does cause a pretty heavy dependence & before you know it, you need opioids just to function. And if you don't have constant access to them, then this aspect is only going to make your life worse.

You should also watch out for fentanyl. Don't dive into it doing a big dose, just try a little at first.
Probably best to get some fent test strips & maybe some naloxone. Fent can easily kill a beginner if they take too much.

Don't bother with the IV route. Heroin feels great intranasally. Going the IV route is just an addiction to the needle & puncturing your veins daily can have some really bad consequences. I only ever snorted my heroin & it worked just fine for me that way, so fuck needles.

You will probably experience a lot of itching, nodding, urinary retention (not being able to pee) & constipation. These are all normal side effects for a beginner.

But due to the war on drugs & everything, I can't advocate that somebody try opioids.
I'm jealous that you can brown though (if it's real heroin & not fent garbage).

 

[jasperkent]

There's a good chance that you won't be trying heroin at all, you'll be trying fentanyl.

I'd advise against it. The high's not that great and the risks are huge.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

trying fentanyl.

Absolutely this ^^^^^^

Here are some amateur tips on how to tell the difference between brown & fentanyl.

Heroin is usually brown, tan or grey rocks. And it'll have a smell to it, sort of a sour smell, usually due to the acetic acid used in creating it.
Fentanyl is usually powder, has no smell & is often white or variety of other colors. The tiniest amount can have a person nodding hardcore due to it's potency.

That's just from my own personal experiences dealing with these two substances. There's still a possibility of somebody cutting actual heroin rocks with fent powder, making it look like it's just heroin, so these tips won't always work.

So getting fent test strips is a good idea. Fentanyl is a whole separate other beast. Yeah it's more potent, but it's not more euphoric or enjoyable. It just feels like a hollow & heavy clinical sedation. Heroin feels so much better in every single way.

 

[MedicinalUser247]

I would avoid using Opiates.

 

[Iceman1216]

If I had a dollar for all the friends I have lost after your exact statement!!
H is a very dangerous drug { many of use being Bad Boys , want to give it a go.... right??
well Chasing the Dragon is a horrible way to life.
There will never be enough!!

 

[jasperkent]

I would avoid using Opiates.

I would avoid using black market drugs in general unless you always test them for purity. Otherwise you have no idea what you might be getting.

 

[blushyrei]

I would avoid using black market drugs in general unless you always test them for purity. Otherwise you have no idea what you might be getting.

Not sure how to test for purity, although I have fent test strips that I could use

 

[blushyrei]

Absolutely this ^^^^^^

Here are some amateur tips on hot to tell the difference between brown & fentanyl.

Heroin is usually brown, tan or grey rocks. And it'll have a smell to it, sort of a sour smell, usually due to the acetic acid used in creating it.
Fentanyl is usually powder, has no smell & is often white or variety of other colors. The tiniest amount can have a person nodding hardcore due to it's potency.

That's just from my own personal experiences dealing with these two substances. There's still a possibility of somebody cutting actual heroin rocks with fent powder, making it look like it's just heroin, so these tips won't always work.

So getting fent test strips is a good idea. Fentanyl is a whole separate other beast. Yeah it's more potent, but it's not more euphoric or enjoyable. It just feels like a hollow & heavy clinical sedation. Heroin feels so much better in every single way.

I read somewhere about putting the smallest spec of it you can in your mouth to see if you react at all and that you can tell if there’s fent or xylazine in it. Any truth to that?

 

[krkkhed]

I read somewhere about putting the smallest spec of it you can in your mouth to see if you react at all and that you can tell if there’s fent or xylazine in it. Any truth to that?

Not alot. People do smoke it after all

 

[krkkhed]

I would say its not worth it, honestly sucks ass to be addicted to heroin. I wish I never started with heroin and hydromorphone and fent and all that, really ruined my life in a way. I'm still pretty young and on suboxone to try n stop. Not worth it to try it tbh

 

[Bleaney]

Don't do it.
. So if you have clinical depression, you might find that heroin is going to really help that (at first). So right there is a chance that you could run into addiction problems. Because if something makes you feel better, you're obviously going to want to keep doing it.

Exactly this.

It would be hypocritical of me to advise against using drugs to raise your mood, as it's something I have been experimenting with for a long time. Although, in general, it is obviously considered an ill advised thing to do. However and also obviously many drug users have mood and / or anxiety issues as one of the route causes of their drug using.

Many of them work, to greater or lesser extents. Ironically enough, it's the legal ones that you can get easily from your Dr - the SSRIs that I find the most useless.

Heroin would be like using a sledge hammer to crack a nut though imho. Can you genuinely say that you have exhausted all other mood enhancing substances first? Heroin really does seem to be diving in at the deep end imo. Especially if you've never tried opiates, why not start with many of the several 'lesser' varieties, if you really must.

I tried heroin a few times myself during a period where I had kind of lost my way, and I now consider it a blessing that it didn't do anything noticeable for me. For some reason I was unable to tune into or catch onto any high.

I'm glad I did not persist beyond a few trial grams, I'm sure I would have found some tweak or other, or some added combination substance that would have made it work for me, but God knows what mess I'd be in by now, if that had happened. Or even if I'd still be alive, and not died a long time ago.

 

[blushyrei]

Exactly this.

It would be hypocritical of me to advise against using drugs to raise your mood, as it's something I have been experimenting with for a long time. Although, in general, it is obviously considered an ill advised thing to do. However and also obviously many drug users have mood and / or anxiety issues as one of the route causes of their drug using.

Many of them work, to greater or lesser extents. Ironically enough, it's the legal ones that you can get easily from your Dr - the SSRIs that I find the most useless.

Heroin would be like using a sledge hammer to crack a nut though imho. Can you genuinely say that you have exhausted all other mood enhancing substances first? Heroin really does seem to be diving in at the deep end imo. Especially if you've never tried opiates, why not start with many of the several 'lesser' varieties, if you really must.

I tried heroin a few times myself during a period where I had kind of lost my way, and I now consider it a blessing that it didn't do anything noticeable for me. For some reason I was unable to tune into or catch onto any high.

I'm glad I did not persist beyond a few trial grams, I'm sure I would have found some tweak or other, or some added combination substance that would have made it work for me, but God knows what mess I'd be in by now, if that had happened. Or even if I'd still be alive, and not died a long time ago.

I tried going the “correct” route. Several trials of SSRI’s all didn’t work or had side effects, antipsychotics which I never needed and only made me worse. They tried switching me to an SNRI but I rejected it and stopped getting any antidepressant treatment. I’ve also experimented with LSD and Ketamine. Ketamine cured my c-ptsd but that was about it.

At this point, I just want relief from life’s daily misery. I’m out of Xanax which I used to take a lot to sleep the day away. My life sucks and I’m willing to try anything at this point.

 

[Bleaney]

I tried going the “correct” route. Several trials of SSRI’s all didn’t work or had side effects, antipsychotics which I never needed and only made me these. They tried switching me to an SNRI but I rejected it and stopped getting any antidepressant treatment. I’ve also experimented with LSD and Ketamine. Ketamine cured my c-ptsd but that was about it.

At this point, I just want relief from life’s daily misery. I’m out of Xanax which I used to take a lot to sleep the day away. My life sucks and I’m willing to try anything at this point.

I do understand.

Have you considered kratom? Bearing in mind that not all kratom is the same. Kratom from a good supplier has amazing mood lifting properties. It acts via the opiate receptors. Some people compare the best tranquil kratom strains to opium. The best kratom can be seriously good. It's a very under rated substance I think, possibly due to the amount of bunk suppliers. But even the bunk stuff helps a bit.

It can be addictive, but there is no comparison to heroin addiction.

How about methylphenidate if you can get it, or any of the ADHD stimulants, they mostly seem to have mood boosting properties.

The thing is though on a drug users forum, you'll only get people suggesting other drugs, or listing reasons not to do heroin.

Ask the question anywhere else, mental health subs etc, and you'd be advised to try things that are not substances. This is something I'd recommend that you try, to hopefully get a number of good suggestions that are not substance based.

 

[Jnowhere]

Absolutely this ^^^^^^

Here are some amateur tips on hot to tell the difference between brown & fentanyl.

Heroin is usually brown, tan or grey rocks. And it'll have a smell to it, sort of a sour smell, usually due to the acetic acid used in creating it.
Fentanyl is usually powder, has no smell & is often white or variety of other colors. The tiniest amount can have a person nodding hardcore due to it's potency.

That's just from my own personal experiences dealing with these two substances. There's still a possibility of somebody cutting actual heroin rocks with fent powder, making it look like it's just heroin, so these tips won't always work.

So getting fent test strips is a good idea. Fentanyl is a whole separate other beast. Yeah it's more potent, but it's not more euphoric or enjoyable. It just feels like a hollow & heavy clinical sedation. Heroin feels so much better in every single way.

Is Heroin similar to a heavy dose of oxycodone? In terms of Euphoria or is different?

 

[Señor Moreno]

I've been considering trying H just for the sake of it. My life has been going pretty bad.

Don't just don't
If your life were as perfect as heaven itself my advice would be the same: don't, but if you say that it has been pretty bad, then is an absolutely DON'T under any circunstances.
They have told you, your chances of getting decent h are very few, and that's being optimistic.

 

[chippermonk]

I would say from my own experience that doing very small amounts (5 mg) of Vicodin or oxycodone can have the effect of lifting my depression for a bit. I have no need to go the sledgehammer route with heroin ( and the one time I tried it I puked for a couple days) Less is more.
However, opiates of any sort are not really an effective antidepressant in the long run and you'll find it really easy to up your dose and develop a habit. Kratom seems safer, though you can still get a habit. Drugs always make me feel better when I'm high but it's such a fucking yo-yo when it wears off. The comedown sucks.
For me the most self sustaining methods is always things like lots of exercise and making connections with other people. It's imperfect and I get depressed anyhow, but it is more stable for me that way.
Good luck!

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

I read somewhere about putting the smallest spec of it you can in your mouth to see if you react at all and that you can tell if there’s fent or xylazine in it. Any truth to that?

There's some truth to that. As long as the person is smart enough to try this out first.
I'm not quite sure about putting it in your mouth though, but fentanyl can be used sublingually, so I don't see why it wouldn't work.

The first time I ever received fentanyl, I knew something was off right away. Cause usually the heroin I got was brown/tan rocks & had that acetic acid smell to it. But one time I was given just straight white powder with no smell. So I knew to tread carefully. I snorted a bump much smaller than a match head. And that bump had me nodding so hard that I thought I was going to lose consciousness. I knew right then & there that this wasn't heroin.

About a week later, my dealer came around & said "how did you like that fentanyl?", which confirmed my suspicions. I then bitched him out & gave him a stern warning to never give me that garbage again. And he never did.

So, I was pretty lucky. If I had had benzos in my system or had been drinking or something when I tried that fentanyl, I could have very well OD'd for the very first time in my life.


I don't have any experience with xylazine, but yeah, if what you have is fent or has fent in it, you'll notice it because it won't take very much at all to cause an effect.