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[pnillyg]

Hey so I’ve been taking kratom 2-3x per week which has been great as a social lubricant since I don’t drink. This only transpires on the weekends. As of 2 weeks ago I went from having great results with 2-4g per dose to almost nothing with 5+ just some nausea. I’m wondering if it’s time to try 7-oh or just a higher dose… I was thinking tea may help reduce the nausea but I am no kratom expert and not going to pretend to be so any and all kratom advice please advise. All that being said I just don’t want to go back on subutex as I feel it’s unnecessary right now since I don’t have opiate dependency but the cravings definitely arise around social settings. Tough to use subs as needed but doable… hope yall are having a good morning. Happy Saturday

 

[Mjäll]

According to the research i've done, mitragynine is water soluble at pH 4, and insoluble at basic pH. This would mean you can do A/B extraction, or simply make an acidic tea using lemon or vinegar.

I tried A/B extraction on 100g yielding 1,5g of black glittery stuff that looks like a mix of alkaloids and chlorophyll. Haven't tried it yet.

I use 2-3 times per week but i don't develop any tolerance. What happens if you do it just 1 time per week?

 

[daturetard]

For the nausea try different antihistamines. Many of them have good effects with opioids as well as quelling nausea. Other things, such as ginger, lemon, b12 and honey can help with nausea for different reasons as well as being natural and generally healthy. Another thing to try is occasianally mixing it with different (mild) herbs, such as wild/klip dagga, damiana, lemon balm, mulungu, kava, kanna, passionflower, blue lotus, bacopa, gotu kola, valerian, chamomile, coffee, porterweed, myrrh, calea, there are literally hundreds which alter the effects or add their own dimension. An obvious favorite of mine is weed. DLPA has significantly noticeable effects on  my opioid system. Ymmv. Also, if you are looking to try a higher dose without the nausea, try a lower dose of an extract. You can make your own tinctures and evaporate the alcohol. That's much cheaper than commercial extract.

 

[pnillyg]

According to the research i've done, mitragynine is water soluble at pH 4, and insoluble at basic pH. This would mean you can do A/B extraction, or simply make an acidic tea using lemon or vinegar.

I tried A/B extraction on 100g yielding 1,5g of black glittery stuff that looks like a mix of alkaloids and chlorophyll. Haven't tried it yet.

I use 2-3 times per week but i don't develop any tolerance. What happens if you do it just 1 time per week?

Appreciate that I’m going to give it a go I have 10 oz of powder to work with… I almost feel my tolorence going up even 1 x per week but I’m going to take 2 off and see how this goes.

For the nausea try different antihistamines. Many of them have good effects with opioids as well as quelling nausea. Other things, such as ginger, lemon, b12 and honey can help with nausea for different reasons as well as being natural and generally healthy. Another thing to try is occasianally mixing it with different (mild) herbs, such as wild/klip dagga, damiana, lemon balm, mulungu, kava, kanna, passionflower, blue lotus, bacopa, gotu kola, valerian, chamomile, coffee, porterweed, myrrh, calea, there are literally hundreds which alter the effects or add their own dimension. An obvious favorite of mine is weed. DLPA has significantly noticeable effects on  my opioid system. Ymmv. Also, if you are looking to try a higher dose without the nausea, try a lower dose of an extract. You can make your own tinctures and evaporate the alcohol. That's much cheaper than commercial extract.

I’ve never heard of DLPA… what is it? I’m definitely going to try out some of the herbs since I have access an already own some of them! Any specific dosages and combos worth trying at first? I’m a big cannabis guy so that’s a given. Especially some RSO with some CBD/CBN. Will definitely be experimenting with tinctures as that’s always been ny favorite way to keep herbs.

 

[Mjäll]

Appreciate that I’m going to give it a go I have 10 oz of powder to work with… I almost feel my tolorence going up even 1 x per week but I’m going to take 2 off and see how this goes.

Good luck. The simplest way is just an acidic tea. What i call A/B may not be the same as other A/B extractions. It's freebase precipitation that seems to work. Maybe if you have some very particular solvent you could do it that way but what i describe is similar to a harmala extraction.

Maybe the combo of reducing usage and purifying the material to allow larger doses with less nausea will do the trick.

 

[BK38]

For the nausea try different antihistamines. Many of them have good effects with opioids as well as quelling nausea. Other things, such as ginger, lemon, b12 and honey can help with nausea for different reasons as well as being natural and generally healthy. Another thing to try is occasianally mixing it with different (mild) herbs, such as wild/klip dagga, damiana, lemon balm, mulungu, kava, kanna, passionflower, blue lotus, bacopa, gotu kola, valerian, chamomile, coffee, porterweed, myrrh, calea, there are literally hundreds which alter the effects or add their own dimension. An obvious favorite of mine is weed. DLPA has significantly noticeable effects on  my opioid system. Ymmv. Also, if you are looking to try a higher dose without the nausea, try a lower dose of an extract. You can make your own tinctures and evaporate the alcohol. That's much cheaper than commercial extract.

Exactly how I go about consuming Kratom. Or I just toss and wash.

 

[bingey]

I did an extraction with isopropyl worked pretty well (crystals)

 

[Bleaney]

Kratom tea with hot water is so vile it's hard to consume without spewing.

I've never found any need for any complicated extractions. Simply mixing the powder with either yogurt or milk allows consumption in a palatable and easy way.

Milk is a bit better than yogurt, in some ways, as you can feel it kick in quicker, (although that makes it more addictive) where as its more of a gradual onset with yogurt. It is essential that your stomach is empty, so it must be several hours after you last ate, and when you feel hungry. It won't do anything otherwise.

If the kratom is good your body will naturally extract the alkaloids and nothing else is necessary. No need for any solvents, acids, or ethanol.

I don't understand the thinking behind making things more complicated than they need to be.

 

[Mjäll]

Kratom tea with hot water is so vile it's hard to consume without spewing.

I've never found any need for any complicated extractions. Simply mixing the powder with either yogurt or milk allows consumption in a palatable and easy way.

Milk is a bit better than yogurt, in some ways, as you can feel it kick in quicker, (although that makes it more addictive) where as its more of a gradual onset with yogurt. It is essential that your stomach is empty, so it must be several hours after you last ate, and when you feel hungry. It won't do anything otherwise.

If the kratom is good your body will naturally extract the alkaloids and nothing else is necessary. No need for any solvents, acids, or ethanol.

I don't understand the thinking behind making things more complicated than they need to be.

Why would yoghurt do anything?

How does kratom quality affect absorption efficiency in the body?

You don't understand wanting a purer product?

 

[Bleaney]

Yougurt is merely the medium of consumption, and is a hell of a lot more platable than teas.

My point was that is the kratom is good you'll be able to experience the full range of effects without needing to "purify" the product.

If it's already fantastic, then what else is there to gain?

The stuff available in the 2010s was absolutely like this.

 

[Mjäll]

Yougurt is merely the medium of consumption, and is a hell of a lot more platable than teas.

My point was that is the kratom is good you'll be able to experience the full range of effects without needing to "purify" the product.

If it's already fantastic, then what else is there to gain?

The stuff available in the 2010s was absolutely like this.

For me it's just curiosity. In OP's case he seems to have trouble with nausea from plant matter. Did you read the thread before replying?

I was wondering why yoghurt would slow absorption and why better kratom would be more bioavailable. I take it you don't have answers. You also claim that kratom doesn't work unless on empty stomach which is also a highly dubious and misleading claim.

 

[Bleaney]

I didnt say better kratom is more bio available. But better kratom obviously has better effects.

Kratom is slower to absorb via yogurt as it takes longer to digest and metabolise.. When taken in milk it hits very quickly indeed.

It's common knowledge that kratom (and many other substances) hit more effectively on an empty stomach. You're the first person I've ever encountered to contradict something as obvious as that.

I don't think there's any point continuing this any further as our thought processes are clearly along massively different tracks.

And your just going to contradict and pick holes in everything I say. Which is based on a lot of discussions I had with fellow users back in the 2010s and also several years experience of consuming a variety of kratom, from some of the highest quality sources, to some not so good.

 

[Mjäll]

I'm sure my questions are obvious and reasonable to others but you don't seem keen on answering and it doesn't really matter so whatever. Have a nice day man

 

[daturetard]

I’ve never heard of DLPA… what is it? I’m definitely going to try out some of the herbs since I have access an already own some of them! Any specific dosages and combos worth trying at first? I’m a big cannabis guy so that’s a given. Especially some RSO with some CBD/CBN. Will definitely be experimenting with tinctures as that’s always been ny favorite way to keep herbs.

DLPA is a supplement that stops the breakdown of enkalphin, which is an endogenous opioid. It also has mild stimulant effects because it is a racemic mixture of L (or -(-)) phenylalanine (stops the breakdown of dopamine or some shit) and D (or -(+)) phenylalanine. Honestly I can't give many recommendations on combos or dosages (when people see me making herbal tea they often call it an 'overdose', lol) other than to try turmeric and blackpepper.

 

[pnillyg]

Good luck. The simplest way is just an acidic tea. What i call A/B may not be the same as other A/B extractions. It's freebase precipitation that seems to work. Maybe if you have some very particular solvent you could do it that way but what i describe is similar to a harmala extraction.

Maybe the combo of reducing usage and purifying the material to allow larger doses with less nausea will do the trick.

That’s the goal.. reducing plant material/maximizing possible consumption of mg while reducing total raw plant. Obviously I old get some extracts but i dont really trust them. Thanks again im going to look into this process as i have little to no experience with extractions.

I did an extraction with isopropyl worked pretty well (crystals)

I’m going to have to look into this as well.. is there a place on BL for extraction methods or at least on the internet? Does it apply to all substances or is each different?

For me it's just curiosity. In OP's case he seems to have trouble with nausea from plant matter. Did you read the thread before replying?

I was wondering why yoghurt would slow absorption and why better kratom would be more bioavailable. I take it you don't have answers. You also claim that kratom doesn't work unless on empty stomach which is also a highly dubious and misleading claim.

Yea your spot on its the amount of plant matter i have to take I believe causing the nausea, not the effects, but possibly from the other alkaloids which im not experienced with.

DLPA is a supplement that stops the breakdown of enkalphin, which is an endogenous opioid. It also has mild stimulant effects because it is a racemic mixture of L (or -(-)) phenylalanine (stops the breakdown of dopamine or some shit) and D (or -(+)) phenylalanine. Honestly I can't give many recommendations on combos or dosages (when people see me making herbal tea they often call it an 'overdose', lol) other than to try turmeric and blackpepper.

Interesting and super helpful.. im definitely going to have to do some digging regarding this. I remember somebody recommending ULDN when my oxy tolorence was high 500mg + but this is something new. Assuming its available OTC?

 

[daturetard]

Interesting and super helpful.. im definitely going to have to do some digging regarding this. I remember somebody recommending ULDN when my oxy tolorence was high 500mg + but this is something new. Assuming its available OTC?

In the usa, it is otc. Unsure elsewhere but I doubt it's classed as an abusable drug.