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I'ld like to hear from anyone who uses an opioid to fight depression.

PoppyTeek said:
Thanks for the thread, everyone.

Sorry to hear about all the loss, and as far as the struggles go with what looks like the favorite class of drug for most people here... I am back into the struggle after being clean for several years.

Yep, I fucked up. Got a case of the fuck it's this past weekend (been doing kratom for a few months). Went ahead and bought the pressed fents. They freaked me out so I titrated up starting with smoking. I'm slamming them now.

Know what's probably the most fucked up part of this particular opioid IMO? Almost zero euphoria. Kratom outclasses fent in this metric by at least one standard of deviation (my subjective experience).

I know the struggle with depression. I hit periods where it is quite debilitating. At the moment it's not bothering me due to all the drug use and now getting some really nasty side effects that are center stage.

Having trouble sleeping and now I'm starting to hallucinate. This is mucho fucked upo.

Oh and my social life is almost nonexistent. I'm essentially slowly turning into Ted Kaczynski minus the explosives. That statement is funny and very not funny.

Guess this is just a lifeline to some souls that would understand. I need to get back to equilibrium (or closer to it) and stay away from this chemical weapon masquerading as what my friend's parents had in their medicine cabinet 25 years ago.

Again, thanks guys.. I'll K.I.T. the shadow people are unsettling.
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Yeah I think fent is so addictive because it really does relieve pain even though it lacks euphoria but if you can appreciate kratom is more euphoric I think it makes it easier to stick to the kratom.
 
TheUltimateFixx said:
I meant in terms of recreational use. Of course it has its place in a medical setting.
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It’s an almost perfect medicine for medical alleviation of pain. Complete and total relieg of severe pain for four to six hours and capable of being combined with ketamine when a lot is not enough. I don’t know about recreational value of fent. Don’t know that I ever got it except one time when the nods felt like I no longer existed. Extremely horrible. If that was fent you have my agreement. Awful fucking drug. Disgusting. Chemical warfare masquerading as legitimate medicines while doctors practice denying patients to ever increasing degrees of cruelty. The DEA and FDA watching the entire time in case anyone doesn’t get punished for properly practicing medicine. Prioritizing patient suffering over prescription guidelines set by monsters who care nothing for your pain and only for power and control. Stanford prison experiment is the American health care system rn
 
I came into a heap of 400mmg fentanyl tablets. That crushed into powder with we ease and I decided to snort it. Personally it made me feel fucking great. Snort a tablet and jump in the pool, snort a tab and walk on the beach, snort a tab and melt into the couch. But it was a finite amount and had to end.o suffered zero come down. I was just sad because it had run out. I would definitely lean on pain meds for depression.
Anyways.. in relation to treating depression with opioids, in my opinion it's horses for courses. Depression (although having recognisable symptoms) can be very different for each of us.
Micro dosing shrooms might get you unstuck. I generally start with a solid effort and trip balls, but then taper down to what is now, with tolerance, almost non existent. But it's working in the back ground doing it's magic.
I truly believe that any regular user of anything, should periodically sweat it out, take on the withdrawal. allow for a few drinks, or if you're a chonger have the bong handy.
It's a sad thing when you consuming a decent pill just to get normal.
I never tell myself that the plan is to quit altogether, I just tell myself it's for a week or two. psychologically Makes the process much easier. I digress, consider micro dosing, it encourages mad serotonin and generally makes me feel like having nothing else. But I always creep back to the opiates.
 
burn out said:
Yeah I think fent is so addictive because it really does relieve pain even though it lacks euphoria but if you can appreciate kratom is more euphoric I think it makes it easier to stick to the kratom.
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i just started 25mcg fentanyl patch hoping my pain would finally stop, but it doesn't help.... neither does the morphine no matter how high a does i take and I've taken 4 or 5 at a time and that was what finally BARELY got me to start cleaning the house. I'm on 25 mcg fentanyl patch every 3 days plus 30mg morphine ir and i barely get any pain relief. I've taken like i said 120mg morphine ir to 160 at one time. my doctor won't change it only wants to raise the morphine. what should i ask for that might help my spinal and sacral joint bone pain? I'm desperate, i barely get up and do anything because standing hurts so much.... I'm only 46 been on this or something else for a decade
 
DesertHarp said:
I'm sorry that you've been dealing with the loss of your wife. That is huge. Mirtazepine is a quadricyclic antidepressant that is popular with doctors. I tried it, but it gave me weird, vivid dreams every night. I take amitriptyline, a tricyclic antidepressant. It makes me better than I would be without it. Over the years I was tried on lots of different meds that didn't help.

My focus now is on trying to get out of the house and do things with other people. I know I'm too isolated. No pill can make up for the lack of a social life.

During a bad bout of the blues, hydrocodone can make it less painful. But I think it also reduces motivation toward action, which is not good.

I'm glad you have something to take for your physical pain. Running out and getting withdrawal symptoms is no fun. I've been through that myself
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DesertHarp said:
I'm dealing with the return of depression. For a few weeks, I was doing pretty good, but I'm down again. I try to save up my Vicodin tablets, so I can take a double dose when I'm depressed and want to do housework. My place needs some serious picking up. I just got my 30 day supply, so I can afford to take some extra doses, ahead of schedule, to try and get a boost in my mood.

Even the Vicodin (hydrocodone) doesn't help that much. I'm desperate to feel better.
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i also find it help to have someone to talk to over the phone when you're working.....a great distraction. if you want you can call me <personal info removed> just text your name and bluelight first so i know who I is
 
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Baclofiend said:
I was diagnosed bipolar with little to no help with medications for bipolar disorder. The medication is extremely strong and dangerous in my opinion due to the harsh effects on your brain and it is not always effective. Maybe half the time. After getting hurt years later and being prescribed opiates over a period of many years, since 2007, I can affirm that opiates do help people in states of manic depression. Diagnosed and agreed to by two separate doctors with the following downfalls, opiates by nature make you feel good but that feeling wears off and it’s back to the depression. Opiates are hard for the doctors to prescribe in large enough doses to actually dedicate them to helping with depression. Since I’ve been on pain meds since 2007 I have a very high tolerance and lately have been supplementing my prescription with blue oxy’s (likely Mexican) which means fentanyl. This is a dangerous drug. Very strong, short lasting, metabolites stay in urine for a LONG time for drug test. Since I am now up to five 20 mg oxy’s and fentanyl patches (annd supplements) opiates seem to keep my bipolar breakouts in check. Problem is when I run out or the pharmacy can’t get my medication then it’s back to crazy me. I’ve tried other things to replace the opiates (mainly for withdrawal and see my other post regarding baclofen), but that has never helped my bipolar disorder, the manic lows, the manic highs. The opiates just level me out and get rid of pain which by itself can cause depression. So take it for what it’s worth. Enjoy the good feelings while you’re on the meds but be prepared with a backup plan when they wear off and they will wear off. I might suggest clonidine in the downtime. It’s a blood pressure med that acts almost like a strong benzo to get rid of that pacing feeling waiting for your next dose. Might calm your brain down a little also and you shouldn’t have a problem having it prescribed. It’s got its downfalls. Dragging feeling, cotton mouth, limp d*ck until your body adapts to it. The opiates fix all those though. I hope this helps some.
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where are you? Mexican fentanyl you say? do you have to go over the boarder for them? my passport is frozen
 
Man67 said:
For the end let's summarise this topic. Conclusion: opioids DO work for TRD and chronic pain but only when taken responsibly and in a small doses.

1. Cheapest option: ($30 p/m) Oxycodone, not more than 10mg per day.
2. Medium price: ($50-100 p/m) Suboxone, average dose of 8mg p/d.
3. Most expensive: ($3-4000 p/m) Spravato nasal spray (esketamine).
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what is trd?
 
Man67 said:
This is a very important topic which can (literally) save lives. We are not talking about painkillers for recreational use. We are talking about minimal dose for TRD. Most overdose cases happen by accident. But some of them are intentional, due to a lack of treatment for depression. I woke up this morning with a dark thoughts and was unable to get out of bed. Took 10mg Endone and after 15-20 minutes l am writing this post and feeling "normal". Some will call it a miracle but I think there's a logical explanation for all of this. Opiates improve your mood and that's a fact. It's not easy but it's doable. All one needs is a discipline. Unfortunately it's not easy to get Government's approval for this kind of treatment. All they care about are rules, not our health. It's been almost a year since I started this treatment and results are amazing. Next month my Dr. has to reapply again and I am really scared. What if they say NO? Why do l have to feel like a criminal just because I want to live? So PLEASE let's continue this topic as it gives HOPE to many of us. BLUELIGHT saved more lives than all outdated "therapies" combined. So any advice or experience will be helpful and greatly appreciated. Thanks. 🙏
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where are you located here in Texas, USA i don't think they would EVER EVEN CONSIDER prescribing pain killers for depression.
 
LucidSDreamr said:
I don’t know. Have you tried all the SSRIs and TCAs (outdated tricyclic antidepressants)?

I don’t have depression; but I’ve taken TCAs for pain and they seem like they are almost recreational to me. Like I feel really up beat and manic on them. No physical high though.

Then there’s atypical antidepressants like Wellbutrin that are pretty much a stimulant.
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how would wellbutrin affect pain killers? do you know? I'm in auvelity which is wellbutrin and that couch syrup stuff
 
Stephy said:
i also find it help to have someone to talk to over the phone when you're working.....a great distraction. if you want you can call me <personal info removed> just text your name and bluelight first so i know who I is
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Despite the fact I'm fairly sure most Bluelighters are decent people, I still wouldn't put my personal phone number on a general forum for all and sundry to read. Should have PM'd it.
 
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Stephy said:
i also find it help to have someone to talk to over the phone when you're working.....a great distraction. if you want you can call me <personal info removed> just text your name and bluelight first so i know who I is
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Thank you for your kind offer. I don't make telephone contact with others I meet on these forums. I like and am grateful for the support I receive here, which I like to keep separate from my personal life. That's what has worked out for me.
 
I just used 7-ho mitragynine/pseudoindoxyl for 14 days to fight my depression and anxiety. Very effective for that time, other than the rapidly escalating tolerance and the fact that just two weeks of usage was enough to get mild withdrawals and nasty rebound anxiety. I figure I had another two good weeks in me before it stopped working entirely.

Personally, I don't see how the cost/benefit of it weighs out to anything other than "catastrophic emotional debt that will be very unpleasant to pay". That said, I've also tried traditional pharmaceutical routes for anxiety and depression, and largely been left wanting by SSRIs and an inability to take benzos without abusing them.

Whatever the answer is, good luck.
 
Survival0200 said:
Opioids help with depression, but the depression that comes from quitting opioids is from another planet. :(
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YES, because not only are you having to deal with all those things that the opiate was numbing, it's exacerbated as you are now dopamine depleted. And that takes months and months to re-set to halfway normal levels.
 
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