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Trigger Warning Which Psychedelics and Dissociatives evoke the strongest Entheogenic experiences in you?

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Entheogenic - giving rise to the Divine Within.

What are the Psychedelics and Dissociatives most conductive for you having Spiritual, Mystical, Divine or Supernatural experiences?

For me they are:

Psilocybin
Mescaline
Methoxetamine
O-PCE
Memantine

Memantine is the mildest and is less evocative as that it "lubricates" Spirit communication, especially with Divinity.

Mescaline and O-PCE kick the most ass doing so, Mesc most comfortably, O-PCE most savagely.
I call Mescaline "the Rolls-Royce of Psychedelics" and say of O-PCE "It hits you like a stroke."
Neither are suitable for fragile minds.
 
I bought Washington DC A++ caps online back in 2008. I think they were dried maybe decarboxylated. The site did end up raided so who knows. I definitely wouldn't describe the experience as fun more like the sky cracked open. Not sure if the molecules are dissos or deliriants but watch out. If I ever did then again I'd pulverize and weigh doses not just eating 2 large caps.
 
It's always combos, just off the top of my head here are some examples of things that have been profoundly impactful:
  • LSD, Allylescaline and 3-HO-PCP.
  • 2C-B, Miprocin, 3-MeO-PCP and DOM.
  • Harmaline, THH, DMT, and LSD.
  • LSA, high dose blue lotus extract, and high dose kanna extract alongside many dabs.
  • LSD, "CanKet", and 25C-NBOMe.
  • LSD, 2C-B, THC-B and 3-HO-PCP.
  • Mushrooms with harmaline and THC-P.
  • Vaporized DMT doesn't need anything else, now that I think about it.
  • Allylescaline, "CanKet" and 2C-B.
  • 3-MeO-PCP, MDA/MDMA (2:1) & 2C-B.
  • LSD, MDMA and DMT are a classic and banging combo for this as well.
When I say CanKet, I'm referring to 2-Fluoro-2'-Oxo-PCE, specifically.
 
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There's no guarantees with any of these, but 5-MeO-DMT was the direct line to a profound unconditioned consciousness experience for me. Strictly speaking it would have felt absurd to call it an "entheogenic experience" right after the matter, but now with more distance it's the most appropriate folder to stick it in.
 
Wolf Cola said:
I usually take twice as much mdma than mda. Is the opposite better?
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Not necessarily, I've tried it both ways and I prefer the higher dose of MDA since it lasts a little longer and feels more psychedelic. I usually go 60:30 as far as milligrams of MDA to MDMA. I prefer it with a little bit of MDMA for that extra push, I've replaced MDMA in this mix with 6-APB before and found it a little too pushy for my own tastes.
 
DXM is BULLSHIT to me now, but my most mystical experiences with drugs have been with:
  • DXM (TOO many to count...)
  • 3-Cl-PCP (Heaven and Hell on the same coin..)
  • DMXE (talking to my boyfriend for 3 hours nonstop while on it was a mystical experience in-and-of itself (considering the Context), as well as everything else about it. Granted i only took it ONCE over the course of 2-3 days. But yea.)
  • Memantine + Shrooms (Laid in bed listening to Cherokee by Animal Collective nonstop the whole night, envisioning a beautiful world...)
  • DMT (i havent PROPERLY broken through. Mild breakthru, AT MOST, though.)
  • Shrooms + DXM (LOW Doses of both!)
  • LSD + DXM (THIS THIS THIS IS THE ULTIMATE MYSTICAL COMBO!! EUPHORIA BEYOND YOUR WILDEST DREAMS, EGOS THE SIZE OF A HOUSE OR GALAXY, ETC. I TURNED INTO A GOD (NOT GOD, JUST A GOD) ON THIS COMBO. I THOUGHT I FIGURED EVERYTHING OUT!)
  • Shrooms in general. They made me forgive my groomer temporarily and i was at peace for a while, until they.... started infiltrating my life again :') in weird ways. But shroom are a VALID FUCKING MEDICINE TO ME. IT NEEEEDS TO BE FEDERALLY LEGALIZED + REGULATED.
 
Didgital said:
5-meo-dmt
Mescaline/cacti
2C-T2
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This is really interesting to me, I've noticed that you're one of the people on BL dramatically more experienced than myself as far as diversity of experiences, which is something I almost never encounter. I hope you don't mind if I hit you with a few questions pertaining to these, as I've only used mescaline acetate and peyote before, from this list.

How would you compare 5-MeO-DMT to N,N-DMT? I've run operations extracting and vaporizing N,N but found pharmahuasca far superior for most uses. 5-MeO-DiPT is the only 5-MeO tryptamine I've used, and I found it to be something like primal, mushroom-y acid almost. That was consistent between vaporization, insufflation, sublingual (disgusting and BBS), and oral administration via gel caps too. I can't believe how consistent it is between RoAs. Even acid feels different when I drop it in my eyes vs an equivalent dose in a gel tab.

A second question, how would you compare 2C-T-2 to other phenethylamines? I've used 2C-B, mescaline, allylescaline, a few empathogens, a few N-benzylated phenethylamines, and a handful of traditional stimulant amphetamines, as far as phenethylamines overall go. Anybody ever heard of beta substituted variants of 2C-T's either?

Edit: I'm also curious if the N-benzylated versions of these have ever been explored by anybody here, 25[D/E/T-2/T-7]-NB[OH/OMe], essentially. Also DMMDA-2, lophophine, lophophine with N-benzylation, and anything even relatively close to these I'm looking for experience reports on because I'm having a tough time finding them, and boy it's low-key a pain in the ass to be Shulgin climbing novel compounds, very risky too.

At least some Russian nerds on hyperlab already sampled allylescaline-NBOMe, and I'm expecting 3,4,5-trisubstituted phenethylamines to maintain similar SAR as far as -NB, -NBOH, -NBMD and -NBF being weaker than their 2-methoxybenzyl relatives, so I know what I'm in for with those hopefully.
 
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Esperighanto said:
How would you compare 5-MeO-DMT to N,N-DMT?
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I'm sure this has been discussed at length somewhere here but I'll throw my opinion in. They are very different. 5-meo-dmt, while not very visual is extremely psychedelic in that it dissolves/obliterates your ego. I've never had a true full ego death from just n,n alone (though I have in conjunction with dissasociatives) they have a similar onset and duration though I think 5-meo-dmt lasts a touch longer. It also has a much stronger effect on sensation of touch, which I love. I'm pretty sure with low dose and the right partner it could be amazing in bed. N,n, I think it could get weird af.

I could have thrown many substances on there but I wanted to keep it short. 2C-E should also be on it though I'm not sure I'll ever take it again.

Regarding consistency between ROAs of Foxy, I actually disagree somewhat. I will only take it orally at this point. Smoking/raping it is too much too fast.

Esperighanto said:
how would you compare 2C-T-2 to other phenethylamines?
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I mean there are so many phenethylamines that are unique that it's a difficult question to properly answer. It has a 2C-x feeling, but I find the 2C-Txs are quite distinct from either the halogen and alkyl 2C's. They are much warmer and much more neon visually. If you have Instagram a lot of this guys posts remind me of 2C-T2 visuals.

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I find T2 to be the most visual of all the 2C or DOx families (that I've tried), though at least with my first experience with it, it was the most nauseating psychedelic experience I've ever had. It was like my consciousness migrated from my hand down into my gut for hours it was the only thing I could really focus on. That said, it doesn't make me nauseated at all anymore. 2C-E would be a close second, but they are so so different.

I would definitely try an ALEPH but they are extremely rare. So rare I doubt I'll ever get a chance unless I conjure them up myself. I was fortunate enough to have tried DOPr which was fucking wild. And yes T7 as well, which I really did not like as it had a delirious effect that the T2 did not.

I've never used any beta substituted psychedelics but I've been curious. I'm kind of sad that no other BK-2c's were made aside from Bk-2C-B.
 
Didgital said:
I'm sure this has been discussed at length somewhere here but I'll throw my opinion in. They are very different. 5-meo-dmt, while not very visual is extremely psychedelic in that it dissolves/obliterates your ego. I've never had a true full ego death from just n,n alone (though I have in conjunction with dissasociatives) they have a similar onset and duration though I think 5-meo-dmt lasts a touch longer. It also has a much stronger effect on sensation of touch, which I love. I'm pretty sure with low dose and the right partner it could be amazing in bed. N,n, I think it could get weird af.

I could have thrown many substances on there but I wanted to keep it short. 2C-E should also be on it though I'm not sure I'll ever take it again.

Regarding consistency between ROAs of Foxy, I actually disagree somewhat. I will only take it orally at this point. Smoking/raping it is too much too fast.


I mean there are so many phenethylamines that are unique that it's a difficult question to properly answer. It has a 2C-x feeling, but I find the 2C-Txs are quite distinct from either the halogen and alkyl 2C's. They are much warmer and much more neon visually. If you have Instagram a lot of this guys posts remind me of 2C-T2 visuals.

www.instagram.com

Instagram

Create an account or log in to Instagram - Share what you're into with the people who get you.
www.instagram.com www.instagram.com

I find T2 to be the most visual of all the 2C or DOx families (that I've tried), though at least with my first experience with it, it was the most nauseating psychedelic experience I've ever had. It was like my consciousness migrated from my hand down into my gut for hours it was the only thing I could really focus on. That said, it doesn't make me nauseated at all anymore. 2C-E would be a close second, but they are so so different.

I would definitely try an ALEPH but they are extremely rare. So rare I doubt I'll ever get a chance unless I conjure them up myself. I was fortunate enough to have tried DOPr which was fucking wild. And yes T7 as well, which I really did not like as it had a delirious effect that the T2 did not.

I've never used any beta substituted psychedelics but I've been curious. I'm kind of sad that no other BK-2c's were made aside from Bk-2C-B.
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Pihkal suggests that beta substitution is not only easy, but often worthwhile. I've occasionally seen BOD and Bk-2C-B on the market, but no others. I'm nervous to try a beta substituted compound that's also N substituted, BOD-NBOMe for example. While it may be very worthwhile, I suspect it may lead to confusion with isomers eventually arising and shit, but I'm not positive that would occur.
 
Esperighanto said:
these have ever been explored by anybody here, 25[D/E/T-2/T-7]-NB[OH/OMe
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There's probably some scattered reports on some of these here, but I couldn't tell you as I had a single bad experience with 25B that I flushed all NBOMes that I had. Several grams.

I would absolutely love to try Lophophine, MMDA, and the related amphetamines but again the chances of finding them are pretty much zero. I did have the honor of once holding Sasha's original vial of MMDA-3a that he synthesized and wrote about in Pihkal.
 
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