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2024 US Presidential Election

Cheshire_Kat said:
1000 reasons to vote "Not Trump"

Any reason to vote Kamala Harris ?

Policy ?

Record in Office?

Give us something, anything ....

5 weeks from Joe's announcement and we're still waiting for Kamala to show any signs she can be an actual "Leader" not a bureaucrat that reads directly from a teleprompter without resorting to word salad would be a BIG step in the right direction.
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The interview last night wasn't very impressive, either. Mostly softballs. Dana Bash didn't press very hard on the few tough questions she did ask.

It's unfortunate but I do think we're in a Trump vs not Trump scenario at this point.
I think both sides have played into that dynamic.

I fear even after trump, there will be some other chosen one, and the same pattern will continue.

We really need campaign finance reform, ranked voting, serious third parties, etc.
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
So should a person be judged by their age or their ability to do the work? Kamala Harris swore up and down that Joe was on top and ahead of the duties of president right up to the day he dropped out. Yet many others saw that he wasn't . Was she mistaken or lying? I think that is a much larger "backfire" than Trumps age, and I won't even vote for him.

So everyone should everyone vote "not Trump" and Democrats are "good with that"?

Not Trump ! Not Trump ! Not Trump !

Not a very strong campaign if you ask me and I am a lifetime Democrat... But what do I know, right ;)
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I don't think either her or Biden have said that he dropped out because he couldn't do the job.

If an evil is bad enough, simply voting "not evil" is a good choice. Any other vote besides Harris will be ineffectual and thus not an actual "not evil" vote.

Personally, I like her. Her belief in climate change and intent to at least do something about it and also the Dems general support of Social Security are enough for me off the top of my head.
In the "minus Trump" column, there's the probability that we won't get to vote anymore if Trump gets in. I'd vote for a bureaucrat over Hitler taking over the Germany, for instance. (just speaking of the voting aspect... kinda)
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
I don't think either her or Biden have said that he dropped out because he couldn't do the job.

If an evil is bad enough, simply voting "not evil" is a good choice. Any other vote besides Harris will be ineffectual and thus not an actual "not evil" vote.

Personally, I like her. Her belief in climate change and intent to at least do something about it and also the Dems general support of Social Security are enough for me off the top of my head.
In the "minus Trump" column, there's the probability that we won't get to vote anymore if Trump gets in. I'd vote for a bureaucrat over Hitler taking over the Germany, for instance. (just speaking of the voting aspect... kinda)
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Yes, they carefully circumnavigated around admitting that. That and her being in charge of the border for 3 1/2 years and now claiming she will suddenly fix that. Oh Yeah and Bidenomics is working despite cost of living running wildly out of control

Vote for what you will, I have no problem with that.

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Cheshire_Kat said:
1000 reasons to vote "Not Trump"

Any reason to vote Kamala Harris ?

Policy ?

Record in Office?

Give us something, anything ....
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He's a narcissistic, ego-driven man child, with no real political experience. He only thinks of himself, not his constituents.

He eats amphetamines and McDonald's literally every day.

He feels the need to take a shit on gold painted toilets. He played golf for nearly 1/3rd of his presidency.

I can come up with 100 reasons I'd never vote for him without even bringing up politics.

He's a piece of shit human being. No leader of mine.

That's one thing I don't understand about the other side. Why would they ever elevate a fat, old, dumb, military avoidant, very non masculine man for Rep president? Lol.

He's literally a reality TV character for God's sake....
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
I don't judge other's personalities, only the fruits of their labor.
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He mocked disabled people. He mocked dead veterans after escaping the draft with "bone spurs" LOL.

Flukes, I guess. He's a real stand up guy. Shits on gold toilets and deceptively raises taxes on the working class. LOL

Personality doesn't matter as long as it owns the libs, is what I assume a lot of the time when people defend Trump.
 
Quasimoto said:
He mocked disabled people. He mocked dead veterans after escaping the draft with "bone spurs" LOL.

Flukes, I guess. He's a real stand up guy.

Personality doesn't matter as long as it owns the libs, is what I assume a lot of the time when people defend Trump.
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I assume
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When we assume we make an ass out of you and me

We must agree to disagree, I'm afraid....
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
Yes, they carefully circumnavigated around admitting that. That and her being in charge of the border for 3 1/2 years and now claiming she will suddenly fix that. Oh Yeah and Bidenomics is working despite cost of living running wildly out of control

Vote for what you will, I have no problem with that.

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Just to speak to what you posted.

Biden may or may not have been able to do the job well, he certainly wasn't a good communicator and that's needed. However, saying that Harris or anybody "said he was fine and then said he wasn't" isn't accurate. I think he did a pretty good job myself, all four years considered.

Harris was not, "in charge of the border.". She was sent to Central American countries to work on the reasons for people leaving. I'll admit that the "push" of immigration is also a factor, but she had nothing to do with the actual border.

Here's the one that admittedly chafes me a bit. Inflation was worldwide and it was (mostly) due to Covid. The US was about halfway up the list in severity and also pulled out of it before many.
If we blame Bidenomics for inflation then we have to blame Trump for the record unemployment, empty store shelves, etc., during Covid as well.

(and I will place quite a bit of general Covid blame on Trump since we had 20% of the world's deaths and 5% of the population, but ne'mind that for now)
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
Just to speak to what you posted.

Biden may or may not have been able to do the job well, he certainly wasn't a good communicator and that's needed. However, saying that Harris or anybody "said he was fine and then said he wasn't" isn't accurate. I think he did a pretty good job myself, all four years considered.

Harris was not, "in charge of the border.". She was sent to Central American countries to work on the reasons for people leaving. I'll admit that the "push" of immigration is also a factor, but she had nothing to do with the actual border.

Here's the one that admittedly chafes me a bit. Inflation was worldwide and it was (mostly) due to Covid. The US was about halfway up the list in severity and also pulled out of it before many.
If we blame Bidenomics for inflation then we have to blame Trump for the record unemployment, empty store shelves, etc., during Covid as well.

(and I will place quite a bit of general Covid blame on Trump since we had 20% of the world's deaths and 5% of the population, but ne'mind that for now)
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Harris put in charge of Borders ...





Interview on why she had not visited the border yet
 
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ions said:
Trump is better than Kamala.
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something on which we can definitely agree!

he's better at lying.

he's better at defamation and sexual assault.

he's better at fraud. much better.

he's better at being an indicted felon.

he's better at rambling speech when he doesn't deeply understand an issue.

he's better at pretending to be a christian and pandering to christians.

he's better at a lot of things.

alasdair
 
Cheshire_Kat said:


Harris put in charge of Borders ...
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"Stem the influx, deal with the root cause driving them to the US, and to lead diplomatic efforts", it's in the video. Then she talks about working with the leaders of Central American countries.

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"WASHINGTON, July 30 - Vice President Kamala Harris, tasked to deal with the root causes of migration from Central America as illegal border crossings were rising in 2021, immediately ran into the enormity of the mission.
The region is riddled with corrupt government officials, the drivers of migration are deeply rooted in economic inequality and social factors - and she didn't control the border."

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brokedownpalace10 said:
"Stem the influx, deal with the root cause driving them to the US, and to lead diplomatic efforts", it's in the video. Then she talks about working with the leaders of Central American countries.

*******

"WASHINGTON, July 30 - Vice President Kamala Harris, tasked to deal with the root causes of migration from Central America as illegal border crossings were rising in 2021, immediately ran into the enormity of the mission.
The region is riddled with corrupt government officials, the drivers of migration are deeply rooted in economic inequality and social factors - and she didn't control the border."

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Regardless of outcome can we agree that she was put in charge of the border problem?

A good leader will visit the actual problem site.
A good leader does not claim they were not in charge.
A good leader takes responsibility and asks to be given a chance to correct their mistakes.
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
Regardless of outcome can we agree that she was put in charge of the border problem?

A good leader will visit the actual problem site.
A good leader does not claim they were not in charge.
A good leader takes responsibility and asks to be given a chance to correct their mistakes.
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She was specifically put in charge of dealing with the root of the problem in Central America. No, we cannot agree that she was put in charge of the "border problem" in general. That's just not accurate. From the Reuters article...

First, Harris was never given the portfolio of border czar, said Alan Bersin, who embraced the label as a special representative for border affairs under Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. "This was not the job assigned to VP Harris," he said.

Instead, Biden asked Harris to lead diplomatic efforts to reduce poverty, violence and corruption in Central America's Northern Triangle countries of Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, as well as engage with Mexico on the issue.
It was similar to the job Biden had when he was vice president.
But that was an overly broad mission, Murphy said.
"It's hard in a short period of time to come up with a strategy that impacts the very real and complicated psychological decision-making that people in those countries go through when they're deciding to come to the United States," Murphy said in a phone interview.

And within months of Harris taking the job, the focus on the three Central American countries was out of step with the reality at the border - where illegal immigration from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela was spiking, several former officials and outside experts said.
"She started off, in a sense, at a disadvantage because everyone was focusing on those three countries in the Northern Triangle," said Roberta Jacobson, who served as a coordinator for the U.S.-Mexico border in the early months of the Biden administration. "Meanwhile, the migrant population was changing dramatically."

And, for the Republicans to link her directly to the border without telling the whole story was "misleading".
 
ions said:
better at disembowling big government.
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lol. ok. not so much.

while he slashed jobs at a number of agencies, the increases of staff at defense, homeland security and veterans affairs, offset the losses. when he left office, the federal workforce had increased in size by 2%.

in 2017 the total budget (actual) for the federal budget was $3.982 trillion.

in 2018 it increased to $4.109 trillion.

in 2019 it continued to increase to $4.400 trillion.

and in 2020, it was $6.552 trillion.

elsewhere, he had a knack for slashing jobs. when he left office after his first term, the economy had lost nearly 3 million jobs.

he also blew up the federal debt and increased the international trade deficit (which he said he would reduce).

tl;dr during trump's term in office, the number of federal workers and federal govt. expenditure both increased

i guess you and i have a different definition of "disembowling" :)

alasdair
 
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